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  • calfoxwc C Dedicated Very Popular Conversation Starter Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Reacting Well Week One Done One Year In One Month Later
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    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    and perhaps ending up in jail. He is probably gone.

    Addition by subtraction ?

    http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/03/victim_of_apartment_beating_no_1.html

    Victim of apartment beating now says Cleveland Browns receiver Corey Coleman led group to violent ambush

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      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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      We all know Corey wasn’t involved. His hands would have broken into pieces.

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        and perhaps ending up in jail. He is probably gone.

        Addition by subtraction ?

        http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/03/victim_of_apartment_beating_no_1.html

        Victim of apartment beating now says Cleveland Browns receiver Corey Coleman led group to violent ambush

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        T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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        @calfoxwc said:

        and perhaps ending up in jail. He is probably gone.

        Addition by subtraction ?

        http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/03/victim_of_apartment_beating_no_1.html

        Victim of apartment beating now says Cleveland Browns receiver Corey Coleman led group to violent ambush

        I'm not seeing anything in that article where Corey Coleman has even been charged let alone found guilty. How do you conclude he is gone?:

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          @calfoxwc said:

          and perhaps ending up in jail. He is probably gone.

          Addition by subtraction ?

          http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/03/victim_of_apartment_beating_no_1.html

          Victim of apartment beating now says Cleveland Browns receiver Corey Coleman led group to violent ambush

          I'm not seeing anything in that article where Corey Coleman has even been charged let alone found guilty. How do you conclude he is gone?:

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          dawg2fanD dawg2fan wrote on last edited by
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          @texasag1969 said:

          I'm not seeing anything in that article where Corey Coleman has even been charged let alone found guilty. How do you conclude he is gone?:

          I was about to say the same thing.  Absolute nothing.

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            @texasag1969 said:

            I'm not seeing anything in that article where Corey Coleman has even been charged let alone found guilty. How do you conclude he is gone?:

            I was about to say the same thing.  Absolute nothing.

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            jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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            @dawg2fan said:

            I was about to say the same thing.  Absolute nothing.

            Plus if you read the article, the exact quote is:

            "A personal trainer beaten unconscious in a 2017 confrontation with a group that included Corey Coleman testified Tuesday that he now remembers the Cleveland Browns wide receiver led the group that ambushed him in an apartment stairwell."

            What an odd coincidence in a case that has already been tried and someone found guilty he remembers the NFL dude with money actually was the one hitting him. I'm actually not trying to sound super sarcastic there, but how this testimony would change anything other than trying to to get $$ in a civil suit is pretty obvious.

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              Wouldn’t Coleman have to be found guilty in a civil suit before any compensation can be given.

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                T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                I agree jrb---especially with this little ditty right out of the article.

                "Sapp, who grew defensive and at times combative with Mack, denied making up the claims. He said he has been working with a psychologist jog his memory and pieces of the night have started coming back to him "in flashes."

                He also said seeing surveillance video during his testimony in the November trial, video that showed Corey Coleman walking at the front of the group toward the garage."

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                  I'm pretty sure either way, Coleman can't be charged with anything considering this would be a double jeopardy type scenario. If there is a lawyer on this board, correct me if I'm wrong?

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                    I'm pretty sure either way, Coleman can't be charged with anything considering this would be a double jeopardy type scenario. If there is a lawyer on this board, correct me if I'm wrong?

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                    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                    @bigalow80 said:

                    I'm pretty sure either way, Coleman can't be charged with anything considering this would be a double jeopardy type scenario. If there is a lawyer on this board, correct me if I'm wrong?

                    I didn't bother to read the article.....but someone commented that he had never been charged.

                    If he has never been charged....then no jeopardy applied.  So he hasn't been subject to single jeopardy.....let alone double jeopardy.

                    Double jeopardy would be if he HAD been charged....and been found not guilty...but then the authorities tried to charge him again.

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                      Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                      I would say he’s guilty of impersonating an NFL wide receiver.

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                        I agree jrb---especially with this little ditty right out of the article.

                        "Sapp, who grew defensive and at times combative with Mack, denied making up the claims. He said he has been working with a psychologist jog his memory and pieces of the night have started coming back to him "in flashes."

                        He also said seeing surveillance video during his testimony in the November trial, video that showed Corey Coleman walking at the front of the group toward the garage."

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                        @texasag1969 said:

                        I agree jrb---especially with this little ditty right out of the article.

                        "Sapp, who grew defensive and at times combative with Mack, denied making up the claims. He said he has been working with a psychologist jog his memory and pieces of the night have started coming back to him "in flashes."

                        He also said seeing surveillance video during his testimony in the November trial, video that showed Corey Coleman walking at the front of the group toward the garage."

                        Indeed. And you know I get there is actually legit ways to bring out memories, but I'd be very surprised in a criminal trial where the burden of guilt is higher that this changes anything for Corey. Of course I'm not a lawyer so I have no real idea, just seems very unlikely to me. I know as a juror I'd have an extremely tough time qualifying that as proof of guilt.

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                        Wouldn’t Coleman have to be found guilty in a civil suit before any compensation can be given.

                        Yes, generally speaking. The burden of proof is also lower in civil cases so who knows what these "new memories" may mean. However, any lawyer worth his salt would argue pretty damn hard that a memory of someone with a damaged brain should not amount to quality evidence.

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                          darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                          Evidence with his fingerprints on it were dropped at the scene

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                            and perhaps ending up in jail. He is probably gone.

                            Addition by subtraction ?

                            http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/03/victim_of_apartment_beating_no_1.html

                            Victim of apartment beating now says Cleveland Browns receiver Corey Coleman led group to violent ambush

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                            W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            and perhaps ending up in jail. He is probably gone.

                            Addition by subtraction ?

                            http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/03/victim_of_apartment_beating_no_1.html

                            Victim of apartment beating now says Cleveland Browns receiver Corey Coleman led group to violent ambush

                            Okay beating victim this is your Law Firm calling, there's only one guy within a square mile of the altercation with deep enough pockets for us to sue. Call us back and see if you remember anything else, thank you. 

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                              Evidence with his fingerprints on it were dropped at the scene

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                              jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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                              @darren15 said:

                              Evidence with his fingerprints on it were dropped at the scene

                              It's never been about if he was there or not. He's not denied he was there but has denied from the start he had anything to do with the actual assault. I could definitely see this being enough for Mr. Godell to slap a 4 game suspension on him though.

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                                @darren15 said:

                                Evidence with his fingerprints on it were dropped at the scene

                                It's never been about if he was there or not. He's not denied he was there but has denied from the start he had anything to do with the actual assault. I could definitely see this being enough for Mr. Godell to slap a 4 game suspension on him though.

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                                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                @jrb12711 said:

                                It's never been about if he was there or not. He's not denied he was there but has denied from the start he had anything to do with the actual assault. I could definitely see this being enough for Mr. Godell to slap a 4 game suspension on him though.

                                Possible, but since the attack took place last June would Goodell not have done so last season?

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                                  @jrb12711 said:

                                  It's never been about if he was there or not. He's not denied he was there but has denied from the start he had anything to do with the actual assault. I could definitely see this being enough for Mr. Godell to slap a 4 game suspension on him though.

                                  Possible, but since the attack took place last June would Goodell not have done so last season?

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                                  jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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                                  @tour2ma said:

                                  Possible, but since the attack took place last June would Goodell not have done so last season?

                                  I'm just wondering if the direct implication part will change anything, albeit still a weird dynamic.

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                                    I don't believe he will be charged, but it doesn't help with Coleman's problems:

                                    A. The trade for Jarvis Landry

                                    B. dropsies

                                    C. playing like he doesn't really care

                                    D. Our new OC already dumped Sammie Coates, and the draft will surely bring in one, maybe two wr's out of the draft.

                                    I was thinking before this he would get traded - can't depend on him to catch the ball. that hideous miss was vs the steelers, right?

                                    and who is our new OC ?

                                    Just a hunch - I think he could be on the hot seat if a couple of draftees show they can beat him out in training camp and the exhibition season gets a few games done.

                                    or, the light goes on, and he becomes a football player. I just don't know.

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                                      I don't believe he will be charged, but it doesn't help with Coleman's problems:

                                      A. The trade for Jarvis Landry

                                      B. dropsies

                                      C. playing like he doesn't really care

                                      D. Our new OC already dumped Sammie Coates, and the draft will surely bring in one, maybe two wr's out of the draft.

                                      I was thinking before this he would get traded - can't depend on him to catch the ball. that hideous miss was vs the steelers, right?

                                      and who is our new OC ?

                                      Just a hunch - I think he could be on the hot seat if a couple of draftees show they can beat him out in training camp and the exhibition season gets a few games done.

                                      or, the light goes on, and he becomes a football player. I just don't know.

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                                      @calfoxwc said:

                                      I don't believe he will be charged, but it doesn't help with Coleman's problems:

                                      A. The trade for Jarvis Landry

                                      B. dropsies

                                      C. playing like he doesn't really care

                                      D. Our new OC already dumped Sammie Coates, and the draft will surely bring in one, maybe two wr's out of the draft.

                                      I was thinking before this he would get traded - can't depend on him to catch the ball. that hideous miss was vs the steelers, right?

                                      and who is our new OC ?

                                      Just a hunch - I think he could be on the hot seat if a couple of draftees show they can beat him out in training camp and the exhibition season gets a few games done.

                                      or, the light goes on, and he becomes a football player. I just don't know.

                                      He also dropped that perfect pass in the end zone.  For as horrible as Kizer was ,  you gotta help him out and make the damn catch when he puts it on your hands. 

                                      Coleman is another soon to be failed draft pick.  

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                                        He's not very good. Certainly not good enough to put up with bs for. Belichick would cut him. 

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                                          @calfoxwc said:

                                          I don't believe he will be charged, but it doesn't help with Coleman's problems:

                                          A. The trade for Jarvis Landry

                                          B. dropsies

                                          C. playing like he doesn't really care

                                          D. Our new OC already dumped Sammie Coates, and the draft will surely bring in one, maybe two wr's out of the draft.

                                          I was thinking before this he would get traded - can't depend on him to catch the ball. that hideous miss was vs the steelers, right?

                                          and who is our new OC ?

                                          Just a hunch - I think he could be on the hot seat if a couple of draftees show they can beat him out in training camp and the exhibition season gets a few games done.

                                          or, the light goes on, and he becomes a football player. I just don't know.

                                          He also dropped that perfect pass in the end zone.  For as horrible as Kizer was ,  you gotta help him out and make the damn catch when he puts it on your hands. 

                                          Coleman is another soon to be failed draft pick.  

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                                          @sd_tom said:

                                          He also dropped that perfect pass in the end zone.  For as horrible as Kizer was ,  you gotta help him out and make the damn catch when he puts it on your hands. 

                                          Coleman is another soon to be failed draft pick.  

                                          Looks like it, but we'll probably let him stick around for 2018, see below...   

                                          @the-cysko-kid said:

                                          He's not very good. Certainly not good enough to put up with bs for. Belichick would cut him. 

                                          He's sort of expensive to flat out cut now. His dead cap is almost $7 million. Scheduled to make $3 million this year. If he continues to exhibit dropsies or owies, it's bye-bye next year. Dead cap goes down to $3.7 million, which is the rest of his $11 million guaranteed at signing.   

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