All Saquon, all the Time...
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Some very good conversation on here regarding the strategy of the first four picks. A little surprised that Allen is still in the conversation but I admit that I am a bit negatively bias towards him based on the other QB options.
My thoughts on those first four picks are based around one truth that I think we can all agree on at this point: A QB is going to the NYJ at 1.03. With them trading up the three spots, they were attempting to align with a QB and not hoping Barkley or Chubb (who may have fell). So the draft will unfold one of three ways:
1. The Non-QB at 1.01 narrative: The Browns go with Chubb or Barkley at 1.01 and then either trade out of 1.04 (if they do not intend to take a QB), land the other player (if both NY teams go QB) or take the remaining QB from the big 3 (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield).
I feel like this is the least likely scenario because they declined trading down with NYJ from the 1.01 and have also heard from BUF for the 1.01. The latter plot may unfold on draft night, but as it has not happened yet, I am assuming the Browns said no. It could have been a lack of value on the part of NYJ, but I feel that this move means that they are digging in on a QB, personally.
2. NYG goes Non-QB at 1.02: So, if the Browns go QB at 1.01, the NYG then take Barkley or Chubb at 1.02. This then allows the Jets to take home the 2nd QB and then one of two things happens for CLE: either they take whichever of Chubb or Barkley that wasn't taken by NYG, or the phones open up and they are racing the clock to move down with DEN, MIA, or BUF.
In this scenario, I feel that its also unlikely that NYG passes on QB because they too turned down the Jets to move down to 6. So I'm assuming that they too want to lock up a QB and will grab a 2nd tier RB on day two.
3. QBs go 1-2-3: If the Browns, Giants, and Jets all take a QB, the draft finally opens up. In this case, one of three situations happen. Either the Browns take Chubb, take Barkley, or they attempt to trade down one spot with DEN (if DEN is trying to get a QB) and then will take Chubb or Barkley at 1.05
This type of situation seems to be the most probable based on my above explanations. I'm not saying that its definitely going to happen this way, but I feel its the most likely. I do think that we will see QBs fly off the board and, if any of the teams that are willing to trade up want Allen, DEN behind CLE will offer a narrative that makes moving up seem paramount.
I guess the point is that there are a lot of variables involved in trying to crack the code for the top four this year. Hell, CLE's first five picks all have a shot at starting, and so this draft is so crucial.
I will leave you with another version of the draft that I read today and that I found incredibly interesting, although I don't think it will happen. Twitter is an interesting place for draft porn lol. Imagine the Browns going Chubb or Barkley at 1.01 and then getting the other one at 1.04. Then trading up into the mid 20's and taking Lamar Jackson to grow behind Tyrod. In that scenario, the Browns moved their 33rd and 64th picks, along with their 2019 3rd rounder so that they could put a 5th year option on Jackson. Then at 35 overall, they went with the best OT on the board.
What a crazy concept, but it is rather sound, value wise. So many options are out there and I cannot wait to see how Dorsey uses it to build.
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Some very good conversation on here regarding the strategy of the first four picks. A little surprised that Allen is still in the conversation but I admit that I am a bit negatively bias towards him based on the other QB options.
My thoughts on those first four picks are based around one truth that I think we can all agree on at this point: A QB is going to the NYJ at 1.03. With them trading up the three spots, they were attempting to align with a QB and not hoping Barkley or Chubb (who may have fell). So the draft will unfold one of three ways:
1. The Non-QB at 1.01 narrative: The Browns go with Chubb or Barkley at 1.01 and then either trade out of 1.04 (if they do not intend to take a QB), land the other player (if both NY teams go QB) or take the remaining QB from the big 3 (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield).
I feel like this is the least likely scenario because they declined trading down with NYJ from the 1.01 and have also heard from BUF for the 1.01. The latter plot may unfold on draft night, but as it has not happened yet, I am assuming the Browns said no. It could have been a lack of value on the part of NYJ, but I feel that this move means that they are digging in on a QB, personally.
2. NYG goes Non-QB at 1.02: So, if the Browns go QB at 1.01, the NYG then take Barkley or Chubb at 1.02. This then allows the Jets to take home the 2nd QB and then one of two things happens for CLE: either they take whichever of Chubb or Barkley that wasn't taken by NYG, or the phones open up and they are racing the clock to move down with DEN, MIA, or BUF.
In this scenario, I feel that its also unlikely that NYG passes on QB because they too turned down the Jets to move down to 6. So I'm assuming that they too want to lock up a QB and will grab a 2nd tier RB on day two.
3. QBs go 1-2-3: If the Browns, Giants, and Jets all take a QB, the draft finally opens up. In this case, one of three situations happen. Either the Browns take Chubb, take Barkley, or they attempt to trade down one spot with DEN (if DEN is trying to get a QB) and then will take Chubb or Barkley at 1.05
This type of situation seems to be the most probable based on my above explanations. I'm not saying that its definitely going to happen this way, but I feel its the most likely. I do think that we will see QBs fly off the board and, if any of the teams that are willing to trade up want Allen, DEN behind CLE will offer a narrative that makes moving up seem paramount.
I guess the point is that there are a lot of variables involved in trying to crack the code for the top four this year. Hell, CLE's first five picks all have a shot at starting, and so this draft is so crucial.
I will leave you with another version of the draft that I read today and that I found incredibly interesting, although I don't think it will happen. Twitter is an interesting place for draft porn lol. Imagine the Browns going Chubb or Barkley at 1.01 and then getting the other one at 1.04. Then trading up into the mid 20's and taking Lamar Jackson to grow behind Tyrod. In that scenario, the Browns moved their 33rd and 64th picks, along with their 2019 3rd rounder so that they could put a 5th year option on Jackson. Then at 35 overall, they went with the best OT on the board.
What a crazy concept, but it is rather sound, value wise. So many options are out there and I cannot wait to see how Dorsey uses it to build.
I guess the point is that there are a lot of variables involved in trying to crack the code for the top four this year. Hell, CLE's first five picks all have a shot at starting, and so this draft is so crucial.
Nice entrance... welcome o' stranger with the unusual name.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You might be able to restore it if you click in the reply box at the end of the thread. Just MHO Po, you may feel bad about it, but it's about 95% certain Saquon isn't going #1- like I previously posted. Taking the whole crew to Darnold and Allen's pro days, and essentially ignoring Saquon should tell you who we have major interest in.
Aye- In my warp and twisted mind- All those guys are attending because they are already SOLD on Barkley- They are just doing their due diligence about having them ranked so they can gauge the value of each quarterback at 4. Say the feel good about 3 of them and they are already sold on Barkley then it's a done deal.
They could take Barkley and offer NY #4 and the swap low second round picks with Cleveland, then we can get back to back #1 and #2. If they don't want to we would be happy with two of the other guys- I know many don't see it that way, but if we all had the same opinion- we'd have nothing to talk about...
Aye- In my warp and twisted mind- All those guys are attending because they are already SOLD on Barkley- They are just doing their due diligence about having them ranked so they can gauge the value of each quarterback at 4. Say the feel good about 3 of them and they are already sold on Barkley then it's a done deal.
They could take Barkley and offer NY #4 and the swap low second round picks with Cleveland, then we can get back to back #1 and #2. If they don't want to we would be happy with two of the other guys- I know many don't see it that way, but if we all had the same opinion- we'd have nothing to talk about...
I knew you would eventually come up with something so c-ockamaime warped like that it defies any logic. So why would they turn down an offer from the Jets to trade down out of #1? Because the Jets want Barkley, or the Browns are stupid enough to turn down a boatload of picks for a running back they're not taking?
Just remember- Dorsey has never taken a running back in the first round Po. John also said a day or two ago their draft board is far from set. If they really were interested in Barkley they would at least have sent someone higher than a scout (who was probably only there to watch Mike Gesicki) not to watch SB sit out his pro day. To a lot of GMs, that went over like a lead balloon. The rational thinking is compared to the top quarterbacks, the Browns have virtually no interest in Saquon. Sheeeze.
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I guess the point is that there are a lot of variables involved in trying to crack the code for the top four this year. Hell, CLE's first five picks all have a shot at starting, and so this draft is so crucial.
Nice entrance... welcome o' stranger with the unusual name.
Nice entrance... welcome o' stranger with the unusual name.
Much appreciated. I was just glad to find a chat for the Browns. I used to frequent the team’s site but that’s been years, and it appears to be gone.
Figured it was the perfect time of year to jump in head first and talk the draft. Lol
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Some very good conversation on here regarding the strategy of the first four picks. A little surprised that Allen is still in the conversation but I admit that I am a bit negatively bias towards him based on the other QB options.
My thoughts on those first four picks are based around one truth that I think we can all agree on at this point: A QB is going to the NYJ at 1.03. With them trading up the three spots, they were attempting to align with a QB and not hoping Barkley or Chubb (who may have fell). So the draft will unfold one of three ways:
1. The Non-QB at 1.01 narrative: The Browns go with Chubb or Barkley at 1.01 and then either trade out of 1.04 (if they do not intend to take a QB), land the other player (if both NY teams go QB) or take the remaining QB from the big 3 (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield).
I feel like this is the least likely scenario because they declined trading down with NYJ from the 1.01 and have also heard from BUF for the 1.01. The latter plot may unfold on draft night, but as it has not happened yet, I am assuming the Browns said no. It could have been a lack of value on the part of NYJ, but I feel that this move means that they are digging in on a QB, personally.
2. NYG goes Non-QB at 1.02: So, if the Browns go QB at 1.01, the NYG then take Barkley or Chubb at 1.02. This then allows the Jets to take home the 2nd QB and then one of two things happens for CLE: either they take whichever of Chubb or Barkley that wasn't taken by NYG, or the phones open up and they are racing the clock to move down with DEN, MIA, or BUF.
In this scenario, I feel that its also unlikely that NYG passes on QB because they too turned down the Jets to move down to 6. So I'm assuming that they too want to lock up a QB and will grab a 2nd tier RB on day two.
3. QBs go 1-2-3: If the Browns, Giants, and Jets all take a QB, the draft finally opens up. In this case, one of three situations happen. Either the Browns take Chubb, take Barkley, or they attempt to trade down one spot with DEN (if DEN is trying to get a QB) and then will take Chubb or Barkley at 1.05
This type of situation seems to be the most probable based on my above explanations. I'm not saying that its definitely going to happen this way, but I feel its the most likely. I do think that we will see QBs fly off the board and, if any of the teams that are willing to trade up want Allen, DEN behind CLE will offer a narrative that makes moving up seem paramount.
I guess the point is that there are a lot of variables involved in trying to crack the code for the top four this year. Hell, CLE's first five picks all have a shot at starting, and so this draft is so crucial.
I will leave you with another version of the draft that I read today and that I found incredibly interesting, although I don't think it will happen. Twitter is an interesting place for draft porn lol. Imagine the Browns going Chubb or Barkley at 1.01 and then getting the other one at 1.04. Then trading up into the mid 20's and taking Lamar Jackson to grow behind Tyrod. In that scenario, the Browns moved their 33rd and 64th picks, along with their 2019 3rd rounder so that they could put a 5th year option on Jackson. Then at 35 overall, they went with the best OT on the board.
What a crazy concept, but it is rather sound, value wise. So many options are out there and I cannot wait to see how Dorsey uses it to build.
Some very good conversation on here regarding the strategy of the first four picks. A little surprised that Allen is still in the conversation but I admit that I am a bit negatively bias towards him based on the other QB options.
My thoughts on those first four picks are based around one truth that I think we can all agree on at this point: A QB is going to the NYJ at 1.03. With them trading up the three spots, they were attempting to align with a QB and not hoping Barkley or Chubb (who may have fell). So the draft will unfold one of three ways:
I will leave you with another version of the draft that I read today and that I found incredibly interesting, although I don't think it will happen. Twitter is an interesting place for draft porn lol. Imagine the Browns going Chubb or Barkley at 1.01 and then getting the other one at 1.04. Then trading up into the mid 20's and taking Lamar Jackson to grow behind Tyrod. In that scenario, the Browns moved their 33rd and 64th picks, along with their 2019 3rd rounder so that they could put a 5th year option on Jackson. Then at 35 overall, they went with the best OT on the board.
What a crazy concept, but it is rather sound, value wise. So many options are out there and I cannot wait to see how Dorsey uses it to build.
Didn't want to quote your entire post. Intelligent conversation is always welcome around here. I'll echo Tour- nice first post. Unfortunately this thread is run amok (there's a few others Barkley threads that have been locked) by one of our posters who has a major Saquon fixation. Don't know if you've been lurking before you posted.
Regarding Chubb\Barkley\Jackson, MHO is that's crazy twitter opining. I saw something even crazier on another board where a guy wants us to trade away both our #1 and #4 for future first round picks.
Dorsey's Marching Orders were crystal clear when Haslam introduced him. Get the quarterback. There is no way in hell Dorsey and Company are drafting the 5th or 6th best quarterback- depending on who you're listening to.
Again- Welcome!
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Some very good conversation on here regarding the strategy of the first four picks. A little surprised that Allen is still in the conversation but I admit that I am a bit negatively bias towards him based on the other QB options.
My thoughts on those first four picks are based around one truth that I think we can all agree on at this point: A QB is going to the NYJ at 1.03. With them trading up the three spots, they were attempting to align with a QB and not hoping Barkley or Chubb (who may have fell). So the draft will unfold one of three ways:
I will leave you with another version of the draft that I read today and that I found incredibly interesting, although I don't think it will happen. Twitter is an interesting place for draft porn lol. Imagine the Browns going Chubb or Barkley at 1.01 and then getting the other one at 1.04. Then trading up into the mid 20's and taking Lamar Jackson to grow behind Tyrod. In that scenario, the Browns moved their 33rd and 64th picks, along with their 2019 3rd rounder so that they could put a 5th year option on Jackson. Then at 35 overall, they went with the best OT on the board.
What a crazy concept, but it is rather sound, value wise. So many options are out there and I cannot wait to see how Dorsey uses it to build.
Didn't want to quote your entire post. Intelligent conversation is always welcome around here. I'll echo Tour- nice first post. Unfortunately this thread is run amok (there's a few others Barkley threads that have been locked) by one of our posters who has a major Saquon fixation. Don't know if you've been lurking before you posted.
Regarding Chubb\Barkley\Jackson, MHO is that's crazy twitter opining. I saw something even crazier on another board where a guy wants us to trade away both our #1 and #4 for future first round picks.
Dorsey's Marching Orders were crystal clear when Haslam introduced him. Get the quarterback. There is no way in hell Dorsey and Company are drafting the 5th or 6th best quarterback- depending on who you're listening to.
Again- Welcome!
Didn't want to quote your entire post. Intelligent conversation is always welcome around here. I'll echo Tour- nice first post. Unfortunately this thread is run amok (there's a few others Barkley threads that have been locked) by one of our posters who has a major Saquon fixation. Don't know if you've been lurking before you posted.
Regarding Chubb\Barkley\Jackson, MHO is that's crazy twitter opining. I saw something even crazier on another board where a guy wants us to trade away both our #1 and #4 for future first round picks.
Dorsey's Marching Orders were crystal clear when Haslam introduced him. Get the quarterback. There is no way in hell Dorsey and Company are drafting the 5th or 6th best quarterback- depending on who you're listening to.
Again- Welcome!
The Bears moving up last draft along with the chiefs is a reminder that if you want a qb, you take him at #1. He's probably not going to be there at #4
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Didn't want to quote your entire post. Intelligent conversation is always welcome around here. I'll echo Tour- nice first post. Unfortunately this thread is run amok (there's a few others Barkley threads that have been locked) by one of our posters who has a major Saquon fixation. Don't know if you've been lurking before you posted.
Regarding Chubb\Barkley\Jackson, MHO is that's crazy twitter opining. I saw something even crazier on another board where a guy wants us to trade away both our #1 and #4 for future first round picks.
Dorsey's Marching Orders were crystal clear when Haslam introduced him. Get the quarterback. There is no way in hell Dorsey and Company are drafting the 5th or 6th best quarterback- depending on who you're listening to.
Again- Welcome!
The Bears moving up last draft along with the chiefs is a reminder that if you want a qb, you take him at #1. He's probably not going to be there at #4
The Bears moving up last draft along with the chiefs is a reminder that if you want a qb, you take him at #1. He's probably not going to be there at #4
Po's faulty premise is there's not going to be any difference between the quarterbacks we'll eventually have ranked on our draft board #1, #2, #3. Even if in the unlikely event we did, we're still going to pick the one we like best. Do you like vanilla or chocolate ice cream better? DUH! The only way to ensure we have our #1 QB is- to take him at #1!!! Not exactly rocket science. Dorsey & Crew aren't going to spend countless hours dissecting the top prospects, and take a chance the guy they really want will be there at #4. This is a decision- if all goes well- that's going to impact the Browns for the next several years- and we have to get it right.
You present Po with a bunch of reasons (dozens of times) why it's damn imperative to take our QB of choice first, and he just keeps spinning away with his Barkley at #1 love.
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Even though I don't agree with the approach to take a lesser player because he's a QB(you take the Elite player, I believe). But... there is a way for everyone to get what they want; and in a couple of different ways. It's difficult to type it out, like how to word it but it's like this:
1- If you're Dorsey, you call NYG and ask them who they want to draft- because we don't want to take the guy they want(unless it's Barkley). But, if they agree not to take Barkley and we both want different QBs- we should be fine. We end up with the first choice of QB and have a shot to get Barkley at 4.
2- We find out what QB NYG likes(draft him), then trade NY that QB for the #2 spot.... wait, scratch that one...2- We trade NYG the #1 pick with stipulation that will not draft Barkley or the QB we want with it.
3- We trade NYG the #4 and our first and last second round picks for NYG's first, second and third rounder. It's basically letting them cut us twice but we don't lose any picks.
There are a lot of different ways to assure that we get the FO's #1 QB AND Barkley, and IF these guys in the FO and coaching staff are serious about turning this thing around, this is the approach that they should take.
Do you agree with that?
Even though I don't agree with the approach to take a lesser player because he's a QB(you take the Elite player, I believe). But... there is a way for everyone to get what they want; and in a couple of different ways. It's difficult to type it out, like how to word it but it's like this:
1- If you're Dorsey, you call NYG and ask them who they want to draft- because we don't want to take the guy they want(unless it's Barkley). But, if they agree not to take Barkley and we both want different QBs- we should be fine. We end up with the first choice of QB and have a shot to get Barkley at 4.
2- We find out what QB NYG likes(draft him), then trade NY that QB for the #2 spot.... wait, scratch that one...2- We trade NYG the #1 pick with stipulation that will not draft Barkley or the QB we want with it.
3- We trade NYG the #4 and our first and last second round picks for NYG's first, second and third rounder. It's basically letting them cut us twice but we don't lose any picks.
There are a lot of different ways to assure that we get the FO's #1 QB AND Barkley, and IF these guys in the FO and coaching staff are serious about turning this thing around, this is the approach that they should take.
Do you agree with that?
Except it doesn't work that way in the real world Po. When you trade draft picks- you can't ask the other team what they're going to do with it.
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The Bears moving up last draft along with the chiefs is a reminder that if you want a qb, you take him at #1. He's probably not going to be there at #4
Po's faulty premise is there's not going to be any difference between the quarterbacks we'll eventually have ranked on our draft board #1, #2, #3. Even if in the unlikely event we did, we're still going to pick the one we like best. Do you like vanilla or chocolate ice cream better? DUH! The only way to ensure we have our #1 QB is- to take him at #1!!! Not exactly rocket science. Dorsey & Crew aren't going to spend countless hours dissecting the top prospects, and take a chance the guy they really want will be there at #4. This is a decision- if all goes well- that's going to impact the Browns for the next several years- and we have to get it right.
You present Po with a bunch of reasons (dozens of times) why it's damn imperative to take our QB of choice first, and he just keeps spinning away with his Barkley at #1 love.
Po's faulty premise is there's not going to be any difference between the quarterbacks we'll eventually have ranked on our draft board #1, #2, #3. Even if in the unlikely event we did, we're still going to pick the one we like best. Do you like vanilla or chocolate ice cream better? DUH! The only way to ensure we have our #1 QB is- to take him at #1!!! Not exactly rocket science. Dorsey & Crew aren't going to spend countless hours dissecting the top prospects, and take a chance the guy they really want will be there at #4. This is a decision- if all goes well- that's going to impact the Browns for the next several years- and we have to get it right.
You present Po with a bunch of reasons (dozens of times) why it's damn imperative to take our QB of choice first, and he just keeps spinning away with his Barkley at #1 love.
And he's not the only person on here who thinks that the QBs at top are just interchangeable parts that can easily fit into any system, so take Barkley or Chubb #1 and take whatever QB is left at #4... Like the QBs are new Chevrolet Impalas sitting on the car lot, and even if the red, blue and black Impala gets bought before you get a chance to buy one, you can take the silver one, because at the end of the day you still get a Chevrolet Impala.
The logic behind this is baffling. People really think that after months and months of scouting these QBs the Browns are just going to be all: "You know, they are all perfectly fine for us and whatever one we get, we'll be fine with!"?
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Po's faulty premise is there's not going to be any difference between the quarterbacks we'll eventually have ranked on our draft board #1, #2, #3. Even if in the unlikely event we did, we're still going to pick the one we like best. Do you like vanilla or chocolate ice cream better? DUH! The only way to ensure we have our #1 QB is- to take him at #1!!! Not exactly rocket science. Dorsey & Crew aren't going to spend countless hours dissecting the top prospects, and take a chance the guy they really want will be there at #4. This is a decision- if all goes well- that's going to impact the Browns for the next several years- and we have to get it right.
You present Po with a bunch of reasons (dozens of times) why it's damn imperative to take our QB of choice first, and he just keeps spinning away with his Barkley at #1 love.
And he's not the only person on here who thinks that the QBs at top are just interchangeable parts that can easily fit into any system, so take Barkley or Chubb #1 and take whatever QB is left at #4... Like the QBs are new Chevrolet Impalas sitting on the car lot, and even if the red, blue and black Impala gets bought before you get a chance to buy one, you can take the silver one, because at the end of the day you still get a Chevrolet Impala.
The logic behind this is baffling. People really think that after months and months of scouting these QBs the Browns are just going to be all: "You know, they are all perfectly fine for us and whatever one we get, we'll be fine with!"?
And he's not the only person on here who thinks that the QBs at top are just interchangeable parts that can easily fit into any system, so take Barkley or Chubb #1 and take whatever QB is left at #4... Like the QBs are new Chevrolet Impalas sitting on the car lot, and even if the red, blue and black Impala gets bought before you get a chance to buy one, you can take the silver one, because at the end of the day you still get a Chevrolet Impala.
The logic behind this is baffling. People really think that after months and months of scouting these QBs the Browns are just going to be all: "You know, they are all perfectly fine for us and whatever one we get, we'll be fine with!"?
There is a better than 80% (I made it up) chance Chubb will be there @ #4. Too many QB needy teams in a decent QB year. Let some other chump have Barkley the Dog. Too many good backs later on in a very deep RB draft.
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It really never ends, does it?
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What will it take to defeat Needlenose PoG and he relentless forces of evil:
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Lol its good to see the same dynamic that I loved on the old forums are also here.
I'm all for debate on who fits best where and why. I do think that, from a value aspect, the QBs could be seen as similar, but I also think that there is enough of a difference for offensive schemes to matter. (Most of the time). Now that I've said that, I almost feel that the Browns are immune to that line of thinking this time around, simply because I feel (hope) that Hue is a dead coach walking. Personally, I feel that his 1-31 record and his bad coaching/ time management issues were enough to warrant his termination. (I also feel that it helps when an organization begins completely from scratch if they are acquiring so many new pieces).
So, with that said, the team may be actually be in a situation doesn't matter this year, because there is a strong chance that there will be a new head coach in '19 and this year, Tyrod is the bridge QB and Cleveland may be (hopefully) sitting their rookie QB all year, in the same vein as Mahomes in KC.
So then, this begs the question "why would you take a QB at 1.01 if he's going to just sit all year?"
Two reasons:
1. The way the draft appears to be playing out, getting the best QB for the team means taking him at the first spot; not settling on who is left.
2, The current FO plans to never be this high again, (at least while they are in the FO) so they want to lock up their guy now.
That my logic on the matter. But on my mock drafts, I actually have Saquon going one of three places: NYG, IND, or TB.
In most situations, I see it being QB at 1 and Chubb at 4.
Just my two cents.
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Now I want to read this reply you would have had. Because there are things you need to answer if you are to be taken seriously
Now I want to read this reply you would have had. Because there are things you need to answer if you are to be taken seriously
Who you talking to?
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Lol its good to see the same dynamic that I loved on the old forums are also here.
I'm all for debate on who fits best where and why. I do think that, from a value aspect, the QBs could be seen as similar, but I also think that there is enough of a difference for offensive schemes to matter. (Most of the time). Now that I've said that, I almost feel that the Browns are immune to that line of thinking this time around, simply because I feel (hope) that Hue is a dead coach walking. Personally, I feel that his 1-31 record and his bad coaching/ time management issues were enough to warrant his termination. (I also feel that it helps when an organization begins completely from scratch if they are acquiring so many new pieces).
So, with that said, the team may be actually be in a situation doesn't matter this year, because there is a strong chance that there will be a new head coach in '19 and this year, Tyrod is the bridge QB and Cleveland may be (hopefully) sitting their rookie QB all year, in the same vein as Mahomes in KC.
So then, this begs the question "why would you take a QB at 1.01 if he's going to just sit all year?"
Two reasons:
1. The way the draft appears to be playing out, getting the best QB for the team means taking him at the first spot; not settling on who is left.
2, The current FO plans to never be this high again, (at least while they are in the FO) so they want to lock up their guy now.
That my logic on the matter. But on my mock drafts, I actually have Saquon going one of three places: NYG, IND, or TB.
In most situations, I see it being QB at 1 and Chubb at 4.
Just my two cents.
Lol its good to see the same dynamic that I loved on the old forums are also here.
I'm all for debate on who fits best where and why. I do think that, from a value aspect, the QBs could be seen as similar, but I also think that there is enough of a difference for offensive schemes to matter. (Most of the time). Now that I've said that, I almost feel that the Browns are immune to that line of thinking this time around, simply because I feel (hope) that Hue is a dead coach walking. Personally, I feel that his 1-31 record and his bad coaching/ time management issues were enough to warrant his termination. (I also feel that it helps when an organization begins completely from scratch if they are acquiring so many new pieces).
So, with that said, the team may be actually be in a situation doesn't matter this year, because there is a strong chance that there will be a new head coach in '19 and this year, Tyrod is the bridge QB and Cleveland may be (hopefully) sitting their rookie QB all year, in the same vein as Mahomes in KC.
So then, this begs the question "why would you take a QB at 1.01 if he's going to just sit all year?"
Two reasons:
1. The way the draft appears to be playing out, getting the best QB for the team means taking him at the first spot; not settling on who is left.
2, The current FO plans to never be this high again, (at least while they are in the FO) so they want to lock up their guy now.
That my logic on the matter. But on my mock drafts, I actually have Saquon going one of three places: NYG, IND, or TB.
In most situations, I see it being QB at 1 and Chubb at 4.
Just my two cents.
What did you used to call yourself????
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Lol its good to see the same dynamic that I loved on the old forums are also here.
I'm all for debate on who fits best where and why. I do think that, from a value aspect, the QBs could be seen as similar, but I also think that there is enough of a difference for offensive schemes to matter. (Most of the time). Now that I've said that, I almost feel that the Browns are immune to that line of thinking this time around, simply because I feel (hope) that Hue is a dead coach walking. Personally, I feel that his 1-31 record and his bad coaching/ time management issues were enough to warrant his termination. (I also feel that it helps when an organization begins completely from scratch if they are acquiring so many new pieces).
So, with that said, the team may be actually be in a situation doesn't matter this year, because there is a strong chance that there will be a new head coach in '19 and this year, Tyrod is the bridge QB and Cleveland may be (hopefully) sitting their rookie QB all year, in the same vein as Mahomes in KC.
So then, this begs the question "why would you take a QB at 1.01 if he's going to just sit all year?"
Two reasons:
1. The way the draft appears to be playing out, getting the best QB for the team means taking him at the first spot; not settling on who is left.
2, The current FO plans to never be this high again, (at least while they are in the FO) so they want to lock up their guy now.
That my logic on the matter. But on my mock drafts, I actually have Saquon going one of three places: NYG, IND, or TB.
In most situations, I see it being QB at 1 and Chubb at 4.
Just my two cents.
What did you used to call yourself????
What did you used to call yourself????
I am pretty sure it was darcdawg... I didn’t post often, hadn’t found my voice really, but I enjoyed the differing opinions and the banter that came with it.
Lots of good guys were on there.
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Lol its good to see the same dynamic that I loved on the old forums are also here.
I'm all for debate on who fits best where and why. I do think that, from a value aspect, the QBs could be seen as similar, but I also think that there is enough of a difference for offensive schemes to matter. (Most of the time). Now that I've said that, I almost feel that the Browns are immune to that line of thinking this time around, simply because I feel (hope) that Hue is a dead coach walking. Personally, I feel that his 1-31 record and his bad coaching/ time management issues were enough to warrant his termination. (I also feel that it helps when an organization begins completely from scratch if they are acquiring so many new pieces).
So, with that said, the team may be actually be in a situation doesn't matter this year, because there is a strong chance that there will be a new head coach in '19 and this year, Tyrod is the bridge QB and Cleveland may be (hopefully) sitting their rookie QB all year, in the same vein as Mahomes in KC.
So then, this begs the question "why would you take a QB at 1.01 if he's going to just sit all year?"
Two reasons:
1. The way the draft appears to be playing out, getting the best QB for the team means taking him at the first spot; not settling on who is left.
2, The current FO plans to never be this high again, (at least while they are in the FO) so they want to lock up their guy now.
That my logic on the matter. But on my mock drafts, I actually have Saquon going one of three places: NYG, IND, or TB.
In most situations, I see it being QB at 1 and Chubb at 4.
Just my two cents.
What did you used to call yourself????
What did you used to call yourself????
I hope he'll clue us in. Jogged my memory- one of the old AOL crowd I'd love to see posting again is BeesIndy. Metal Marty too.
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Who you talking to?
Pog. I asked some real questions and he said he took an hour to respond, but then someone said something and it got lost? He said his reply would have made us friends, hence it MIGHT have had real substance, so I want to see it
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Po's faulty premise is there's not going to be any difference between the quarterbacks we'll eventually have ranked on our draft board #1, #2, #3. Even if in the unlikely event we did, we're still going to pick the one we like best. Do you like vanilla or chocolate ice cream better? DUH! The only way to ensure we have our #1 QB is- to take him at #1!!! Not exactly rocket science. Dorsey & Crew aren't going to spend countless hours dissecting the top prospects, and take a chance the guy they really want will be there at #4. This is a decision- if all goes well- that's going to impact the Browns for the next several years- and we have to get it right.
You present Po with a bunch of reasons (dozens of times) why it's damn imperative to take our QB of choice first, and he just keeps spinning away with his Barkley at #1 love.
And he's not the only person on here who thinks that the QBs at top are just interchangeable parts that can easily fit into any system, so take Barkley or Chubb #1 and take whatever QB is left at #4... Like the QBs are new Chevrolet Impalas sitting on the car lot, and even if the red, blue and black Impala gets bought before you get a chance to buy one, you can take the silver one, because at the end of the day you still get a Chevrolet Impala.
The logic behind this is baffling. People really think that after months and months of scouting these QBs the Browns are just going to be all: "You know, they are all perfectly fine for us and whatever one we get, we'll be fine with!"?
The logic behind this is baffling. People really think that after months and months of scouting these QBs the Browns are just going to be all: "You know, they are all perfectly fine for us and whatever one we get, we'll be fine with!"?
I think the idea has been reinforced by a wrongheaded interpretation of what the Jets have done by moving up to a spot where they need to accept the possibility of two of their top QB prospects may be gone by the time they draft.
Folks wrongly think that just because they are prepared to select their #3 QB, that they have no preference among the top three. Give the Jets the #1 overall and they are not going to put three names in a hat and pull one.
So then, this begs the question "why would you take a QB at 1.01 if he's going to just sit all year?" Two reasons:
- The way the draft appears to be playing out, getting the best QB for the team means taking him at the first spot; not settling on who is left.
- The current FO plans to never be this high again, (at least while they are in the FO) so they want to lock up their guy now.
Don't disagree, but I think it's simpler... You need a QB to complete your succession plan and your favorite prospect needs to develop before he's ready to start.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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