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Sneak Peek: Football Outsiders 2018 QB Class Projections

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  • SD_Tom S Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    The ucla offense took a hit when Wilson went down early... And then Lasley missed 3 games.  Wilson is legit. Was Rosen best target I think... Njoku would be a nice target. 

    The more Jackson film I watch,  the more I wanna see him play.  Best athlete at that position I've ever seen   he can sling it.  Teams will be scared of him.  Almost impossible to contain,  and runs like ted ginn Jr.... He just flies.  Jukes guys,  cuts back,  fun to watch.  He's played some  good teams.  

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      Jackson is RG3  2.0

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        B boo fagley wrote on last edited by
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        Stats are so midleading.

        RG3 and Johnny lit it up.

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          Stats are so midleading.

          RG3 and Johnny lit it up.

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          @boo-fagley said:

          Stats are so midleading.

          RG3 and Johnny lit it up.

          Famous last words......

          ......... Recent history is littered with teams that drafted a quarterback high, only to find out that player couldn't play at the NFL level......  ~AND~

          "You're going to need a bigger boat".......

          Stats are basically just a bunch of formulas and any other data they can cram into charts and graphs but the wild card is always what is in the hearts, minds, desire and drive of the individual about to jump into this brutal professional game.

          GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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            Stats are so midleading.

            RG3 and Johnny lit it up.

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            Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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            @boo-fagley said:

            Stats are so midleading. RG3 and Johnny lit it up.

            Not as misleading as an ignorant comment the attempts to lump an advanced analytics approach into "stats".

            QBASE was not around in 2014, but the preceding LCF system was... and Manziel was projected to bust.

            Griffin? Projected to succeed, which he certainly did for one year.

            "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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              D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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              Do they have an analytic that can measure what's in an athlete's head and heart?

              Someone should make an app for that and instantly retire a multi-zillionaire. 

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                @boo-fagley said:

                Stats are so midleading. RG3 and Johnny lit it up.

                Not as misleading as an ignorant comment the attempts to lump an advanced analytics approach into "stats".

                QBASE was not around in 2014, but the preceding LCF system was... and Manziel was projected to bust.

                Griffin? Projected to succeed, which he certainly did for one year.

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                @tour2ma said:

                Not as misleading as an ignorant comment the attempts to lump an advanced analytics approach into "stats".

                QBASE was not around in 2014, but the preceding LCF system was... and Manziel was projected to bust.

                Griffin? Projected to succeed, which he certainly did for one year.

                The big knock on Allen from the mouth breathers is his completion rate. You have done quite well informing everyone of those numbers.

                Allen has an obscenely powerful arm, but it's a howitzer without a targeting system. He completed just 56.3 percent of his passes last year. Here is the list of quarterbacks chosen in the top 100 picks since 2005 despite having a completion rate below 58 percent in their final college season: Andrew Walter (2005), Jake Locker (2011), Christian Hackenberg (2016), Connor Cook (2016) and C.J. Beathard (2017). That's it.

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                  @tour2ma said:

                  Not as misleading as an ignorant comment the attempts to lump an advanced analytics approach into "stats".

                  QBASE was not around in 2014, but the preceding LCF system was... and Manziel was projected to bust.

                  Griffin? Projected to succeed, which he certainly did for one year.

                  The big knock on Allen from the mouth breathers is his completion rate. You have done quite well informing everyone of those numbers.

                  Allen has an obscenely powerful arm, but it's a howitzer without a targeting system. He completed just 56.3 percent of his passes last year. Here is the list of quarterbacks chosen in the top 100 picks since 2005 despite having a completion rate below 58 percent in their final college season: Andrew Walter (2005), Jake Locker (2011), Christian Hackenberg (2016), Connor Cook (2016) and C.J. Beathard (2017). That's it.

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                  Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                  @boo-fagley said:

                  The big knock on Allen from the mouth breathers is his completion rate. 

                  Don't forget his horrible mechanics, his inability to deal with pressure, and his laughable performances against decent competition.

                  He's Jake Locker all over again - a guy getting drafted way too high based on his athletic tools, not his ability as a QB. 

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                    jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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                    I was listening to Sirius NFL the other day discussing this ranking system. It sounded pretty legit. Overall I do have a gut feel that if we pass on Mayfield it will be another thing we regret a long time. 

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                      I was listening to Sirius NFL the other day discussing this ranking system. It sounded pretty legit. Overall I do have a gut feel that if we pass on Mayfield it will be another thing we regret a long time. 

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      @jcam222 said:

                      I was listening to Sirius NFL the other day discussing this ranking system. It sounded pretty legit. Overall I do have a gut feel that if we pass on Mayfield it will be another thing we regret a long time. 

                      As predictive analytics go it's not bad and has the requisite feedback loop to improve over time.

                      @boo-fagley said:

                      The big knock on Allen from the mouth breathers is his completion rate. You have done quite well informing everyone of those numbers.

                      Allen has an obscenely powerful arm, but it's a howitzer without a targeting system. He completed just 56.3 percent of his passes last year. Here is the list of quarterbacks chosen in the top 100 picks since 2005 despite having a completion rate below 58 percent in their final college season: Andrew Walter (2005), Jake Locker (2011), Christian Hackenberg (2016), Connor Cook (2016) and C.J. Beathard (2017). That's it.

                      FO's illustrative comments are just that...

                      "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                        @tour2ma said:

                        Not as misleading as an ignorant comment the attempts to lump an advanced analytics approach into "stats".

                        QBASE was not around in 2014, but the preceding LCF system was... and Manziel was projected to bust.

                        Griffin? Projected to succeed, which he certainly did for one year.

                        The big knock on Allen from the mouth breathers is his completion rate. You have done quite well informing everyone of those numbers.

                        Allen has an obscenely powerful arm, but it's a howitzer without a targeting system. He completed just 56.3 percent of his passes last year. Here is the list of quarterbacks chosen in the top 100 picks since 2005 despite having a completion rate below 58 percent in their final college season: Andrew Walter (2005), Jake Locker (2011), Christian Hackenberg (2016), Connor Cook (2016) and C.J. Beathard (2017). That's it.

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                        D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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                        @boo-fagley said:

                        Allen has an obscenely powerful arm, but it's a howitzer without a targeting system. He completed just 56.3 percent of his passes last year. Here is the list of quarterbacks chosen in the top 100 picks since 2005 despite having a completion rate below 58 percent in their final college season: Andrew Walter (2005), Jake Locker (2011), Christian Hackenberg (2016), Connor Cook (2016) and C.J. Beathard (2017). That's it.

                        Boy, if that list doesn't get you all pumped up about taking Allen, I don't know what will. 

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