From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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Watched the NFLN coverage of Allen's work out. Here's my take... first the good.
- It was a good Pro day.
- Feet were actually quite good in drops. While the snap was not in every 5 and 7, it was in a lot of them.
- Not a sign of the hopping Darnold showed either in his sets or his hitches.
- Mechanically he looked good throwing from his spot so long as he could throw it flat and hard.
- "His spot" included the programmed rollouts in both directions. Some of his best throws were on the run.
And now the rest...
- There were throws within the above criteria that were simply off the mark... high... wrong side... low... and in slo-mo looks there was no obvious reason for the miss.
- He threw a lot of "impressive" fast balls on a rope, e.g., 15 and 20-yd outs, that under coverage will feast upon albeit at the cost of some jammed fingers.
- Ask for touch and it's not there... and matters not if it's a swingpass to a RB or a 60-yd bomb.
- Push him off his spot as Palmer was simulating and he loses his feet. Those throws tended to be arm-throws.
- Those final few throws were an absolute joke... no QB needs to be able to throw punts.
Bottom Line: Allen looks to have to "think" about any throw that is not a fastball in rhythm. Mayock says his sources said the kid's a thinker. Other reports I've read... not so much.
I really lost a lot of respect for Mayock today. I would not have been nearly as diplomatic as Bucky Brooks was in the phrasing of his WTF-ish questions for Mike. But at least Mike did not list us among the teams that were a good landing spot for Allen.
Watched the NFLN coverage of Allen's work out. Here's my take... first the good.
And now the rest...
- There were throws within the above criteria that were simply off the mark... high... wrong side... low... and in slo-mo looks there was no obvious reason for the miss.
- Ask for touch and it's not there... and matters not if it's a swingpass to a RB or a 60-yd bomb.
- Those final few throws were an absolute joke... no QB needs to be able to throw punts.
Bottom Line: Allen looks to have to "think" about any throw that is not a fastball in rhythm. Mayock says his sources said the kid's a thinker. Other reports I've read... not so much.
I really lost a lot of respect for Mayock today. I would not have been nearly as diplomatic as Bucky Brooks was in the phrasing of his WTF-ish questions for Mike. But at least Mike did not list us among the teams that were a good landing spot for Allen.
Is Mayock taking over for Gruden who never had a bad thing to say about a guy in his Quarterback Camp?
To your bulleted points:
You noticed it, Tia noticed it, I noticed it. It wasn't as bad as some of his game tape- but some of those throws were indeed unacceptably inaccurate.
Did they have Josh try some endzone fades to the corner? If they did, they were way too flat, no touch, and looked like duplicates of Kizer's attempts at the same.
Yes. A qb (with good protection) has what? 4 seconds or so to throw? a fast wr can cover 40 yards in the same time if he's not pressed at the line. So what if Josh can heave 'em 70+ yards. He should have really shown off- and as I've said elsewhere- show 'em he can throw a Hail Mary from his own 25.
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Well to Tours point I think we found our punter. Throw that thing 80 yards and instruct the receiver to just be ready to tackle the DB as he catches the ball. Flip the field!
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He's a pussy for throwing indoors. If he wanted to impress he should've been outside throwing since last I checked, every team in the top of the draft is a cold weather team that plays outdoors.
Fuck him.
He's a pussy for throwing indoors. If he wanted to impress he should've been outside throwing since last I checked, every team in the top of the draft is a cold weather team that plays outdoors.
Shmuck him.
I hear ya. They're pushing this guy up the charts and down our esophagus because how of he looks without any defenders on the field indoors. Because as all of the QBs on the t-shirt can tell us - playing QB in Cleveland is eggs-actly like this.
Keep in mind, when he DID play against defenses - he didn't play against all the corners and pass rushers with the best football scholarships. That being the case, he should have posted monster numbers if he's the answer to all our prayers. Didn't happen. Like Baker hints - how about COUNTING film more than a make believe football scenario.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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oh, come on, don't be a grouch, that was just funny.
I thought it was pretty funny myself.
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He's a pussy for throwing indoors. If he wanted to impress he should've been outside throwing since last I checked, every team in the top of the draft is a cold weather team that plays outdoors.
Shmuck him.
I hear ya. They're pushing this guy up the charts and down our esophagus because how of he looks without any defenders on the field indoors. Because as all of the QBs on the t-shirt can tell us - playing QB in Cleveland is eggs-actly like this.
Keep in mind, when he DID play against defenses - he didn't play against all the corners and pass rushers with the best football scholarships. That being the case, he should have posted monster numbers if he's the answer to all our prayers. Didn't happen. Like Baker hints - how about COUNTING film more than a make believe football scenario.
I hear ya. They're pushing this guy up the charts and down our esophagus because how of he looks without any defenders on the field indoors. Because as all of the QBs on the t-shirt can tell us - playing QB in Cleveland is eggs-actly like this.
Keep in mind, when he DID play against defenses - he didn't play against all the corners and pass rushers with the best football scholarships. That being the case, he should have posted monster numbers if he's the answer to all our prayers. Didn't happen. Like Baker hints - how about COUNTING film more than a make believe football scenario.
Like I said- this isn't a beauty pageant. Sure, Allen checks all the boxes on height, weight, hand size, arm strength. Good personality from the interviews. Accuracy? Touch? Not so much. Throws a great Derek Anderson fastball, when he can set his feet.
PS: Was mucking around YouTube and saw a blurb from Jim Donovan's local TV show. His take hanging around the Browns facility is they were going out to LA just as a confirmation of what they already knew, Darnold was going to be their guy. Got a feeling after they had dinner with him, Haslam hanging out with Mom & Dad, and the workout- it's what we heard from other teams scouts- Darnold to the Browns is essentially a done deal.
Could be that last year 0-16 and "Suck for Sam" is going to become a reality.
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lol... Ryan McCrystal been pumping out Allen incredulity at a steady pace.
Here's the link to his book on allen...
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And from the "with friends like these files"....
Jordan ZirmVerified account @clevezirm
Mel Kiper, just now, on a conference call talking about Josh Allen: "Completion percentage doesn't matter anymore."
12:48 PM - 28 Mar 2018 -
And from the "with friends like these files"....
Jordan ZirmVerified account @clevezirm
Mel Kiper, just now, on a conference call talking about Josh Allen: "Completion percentage doesn't matter anymore."
12:48 PM - 28 Mar 2018And from the "with friends like these files"....
Jordan ZirmVerified account @clevezirm
Mel Kiper, just now, on a conference call talking about Josh Allen: "Completion percentage doesn't matter anymore."
12:48 PM - 28 Mar 2018So who's paying him to pimp Allen then?
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lol... Ryan McCrystal been pumping out Allen incredulity at a steady pace.
Here's the link to his book on allen...
lol... Ryan McCrystal been pumping out Allen incredulity at a steady pace.
Here's the link to his book on allen...
He should be drafted on day three on that evidence
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lol... Ryan McCrystal been pumping out Allen incredulity at a steady pace.
Here's the link to his book on allen...
He should be drafted on day three on that evidence
He should be drafted on day three on that evidence
I had to quit about halfway through it. He had one pass where he avoids the rush, moves up into the pocket, and makes the most hideous side armed toss downfield that isn't in the same zip code of the receiver (I think?) he was throwing to. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything at that moment.
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Well... the Wonderlic numbers are in and I was wrong...
Lee BensonVerified account @LeeBensonNews9
On his latest podcast, former NFL scout
@JohnMiddlekauff revealed the Wonderlic scores for some of the big time QBs:- Josh Allen 37
- Josh Rosen 29
- Sam Darnold 28
- Baker Mayfield 25
- Lamar Jackson 13
Is there a recount procedure?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well... the Wonderlic numbers are in and I was wrong...
Lee BensonVerified account @LeeBensonNews9
On his latest podcast, former NFL scout
@JohnMiddlekauff revealed the Wonderlic scores for some of the big time QBs:- Josh Allen 37
- Josh Rosen 29
- Sam Darnold 28
- Baker Mayfield 25
- Lamar Jackson 13
Is there a recount procedure?
Well... the Wonderlic numbers are in and I was wrong...
Lee BensonVerified account @LeeBensonNews9
On his latest podcast, former NFL scout
@JohnMiddlekauff revealed the Wonderlic scores for some of the big time QBs:- Josh Allen 37
- Josh Rosen 29
- Sam Darnold 28
- Baker Mayfield 25
- Lamar Jackson 13
Is there a recount procedure?
I've looked up and the average mark is 24 for QBs. Average for the most clever guys on the field, offensive linemen, is 26.
While other QBs' mark is good, Lamar Jackson's is very low. In the floor of the stats for Wonderlic, the janitors score an average of 14 points. Also that's a great mark for Allen.
Oh, and SB winning quaterbacks of the last decades posted an average of 30.7. Here's the list:
Eli Manning 39
Aaron Rodgers 35
Tom Brady 33
Drew Brees 28
Russell Wilson 28
Joe Flacco 27
Ben Roethlisberger 25
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