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https://thebiglead.com/2018/03/27/jim-mora-josh-rosen-sam-darnold/
Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
https://thebiglead.com/2018/03/27/jim-mora-josh-rosen-sam-darnold/
Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit?
Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit?
The words: New York.
Whatever character flaws that Cal assesses to Rosen....rightly or wrongly, I do think that the desire to be in the spotlight in a big market is a primary motivation for Rosen.....having been just there in his time in LA. Being from the LA area.....he wants to be like Eva Gabor...and he thinks that coming to Cleveland to play football is like going to Hooterville.
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The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron)
I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron)
I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT.
The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron)
I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT.
You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
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I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level:
John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization.
Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team.
So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that.
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The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron)
I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT.
You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Of course you could go for a QB that emulates TT but I feel like if you go away from Rosen you lose your chance to unlock the full potential of Landry in this offense with his work on the shallow, intermediate and middle of the field game that TT and Mayfield aren't known for.
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I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level:
John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization.
Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team.
So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that.
I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level:
John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization.
Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team.
So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that.
Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
Is that because you are so enamored with Rosen that you refuse to hear a discouraging word about him? Even if it is a clever discouraging word?
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
And....the scuttlebutt is that Jimmy Haslam is going on and on and on about Mayfield....like he did with JFF.....so, perhaps there could be some owner intervention in the choice!!..
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https://thebiglead.com/2018/03/27/jim-mora-josh-rosen-sam-darnold/
Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit?
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I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level:
John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization.
Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team.
So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that.
Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff.
Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff.
Yes....it is all speculation. So What? That is what we do here a lot. Besides...there HAS been some smoke along those lines.....so it is not like I pulled the speculation that Rosen doesn't want to come to Cleveland out of my heinie. It has been a broad area of discussion.
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You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
Beat me to it Tour, my thoughts exactly.
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Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff.
Yes....it is all speculation. So What? That is what we do here a lot. Besides...there HAS been some smoke along those lines.....so it is not like I pulled the speculation that Rosen doesn't want to come to Cleveland out of my heinie. It has been a broad area of discussion.
Yes....it is all speculation. So What? That is what we do here a lot. Besides...there HAS been some smoke along those lines.....so it is not like I pulled the speculation that Rosen doesn't want to come to Cleveland out of my heinie. It has been a broad area of discussion.
Well, if you are just going to make sh!t up you don't need to build a case... see below...
The Giants really really want Rosen and are afraid we are going to take him and have handed Jim Mora a stack of cash under the table?
... and that's how you do it... quick and clean... lol
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
Is that because you are so enamored with Rosen that you refuse to hear a discouraging word about him? Even if it is a clever discouraging word?
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
And....the scuttlebutt is that Jimmy Haslam is going on and on and on about Mayfield....like he did with JFF.....so, perhaps there could be some owner intervention in the choice!!..
And....the scuttlebutt is that Jimmy Haslam is going on and on and on about Mayfield....like he did with JFF.....so, perhaps there could be some owner intervention in the choice!!..
... and that is how it's down as well.
Especially given that Jimmah has been taking the QB tour with his boys...
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Yes....it is all speculation. So What? That is what we do here a lot. Besides...there HAS been some smoke along those lines.....so it is not like I pulled the speculation that Rosen doesn't want to come to Cleveland out of my heinie. It has been a broad area of discussion.
Well, if you are just going to make sh!t up you don't need to build a case... see below...
The Giants really really want Rosen and are afraid we are going to take him and have handed Jim Mora a stack of cash under the table?
... and that's how you do it... quick and clean... lol
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I've never understood the "highest ceiling" qualifier that gets attached to Josh Allen vs. these other QBs. like, is his ceiling hall of famer? otherwise, the ceilings of Rosen and Darnold feel just as high, and they're better right this second
8:22 AM - 26 Mar 2018-
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Replying to @clevezirmI also think it’s a huge stretch to say his ceiling is even that high bc of the extreme accuracy issues. Maybe he can tweak his mechanics to the point where it’s no longer a glaring issue, but it would be an unprecedented turnaround for it to become a strength.
2 replies 1 retweet 4 likesexactly. the only way his "ceiling" becomes the highest is if he literally improves leaps and bounds on some of the most important aspects of his game. and that's a risky bet to take
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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rosen's terrible, Kizer like interception vs Memphis: BEST PURE INTERCEPTION THROWER ? LOL
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rosen's terrible, Kizer like interception vs Memphis: BEST PURE INTERCEPTION THROWER ? LOL
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