Rosen
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They (interim coach and medical staff) were looking out for him. Saved him from playing in a meaningless bowl game when they knew he was declaring for the NFL.
He's got enough film to see what he brings to the table.
I'm pretty sure everyone in college football has had their bell rung at least once or twice in a world emphasizing the physics of bigger, faster, stronger.
If he goes to a team like Aikman went to back in the day, there were a least 2 concussions against Buddy Ryan's Eagles alone as a rookie. So, it CAN be a concern. Keep in mind, there's a lot of bad teams needing the best QBs in this draft. And one of them (the NY Giants) had atrocious pass protection working in tandem with underwhelming run blocking fwiw.
As I said previously, as much as I really like the top QB prospects they all have something to be concerned about. I won't have a tough time getting excited about Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield. That said, I'd need to revert back to my fraternity rules of attraction and power down somewhere between 6 and 12 beers in order to find Josh Allen to be an attractive choice. And Lamar Jackson might require some Maddog 20/20 or Moonshine...
As I said previously, as much as I really like the top QB prospects they all have something to be concerned about. I won't have a tough time getting excited about Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield. That said, I'd need to revert back to my fraternity rules of attraction and power down somewhere between 6 and 12 beers in order to find Josh Allen to be an attractive choice. And Lamar Jackson might require some Maddog 20/20 or Moonshine...
You need to raise your standards Tom. I recommend a bottle of Ag's favorite rum, Diplomatico Reserva. I have a bottle on hand in the liquor cabinet in the event of that unfortunate occurrence... I might even start hammering it if I hear Allen's name called when it's our turn.
It's still a month away but (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) + Chubb may be cause to break out the champagne....
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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https://thebiglead.com/2018/03/27/jim-mora-josh-rosen-sam-darnold/
Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
https://thebiglead.com/2018/03/27/jim-mora-josh-rosen-sam-darnold/
Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit?
Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit?
The words: New York.
Whatever character flaws that Cal assesses to Rosen....rightly or wrongly, I do think that the desire to be in the spotlight in a big market is a primary motivation for Rosen.....having been just there in his time in LA. Being from the LA area.....he wants to be like Eva Gabor...and he thinks that coming to Cleveland to play football is like going to Hooterville.
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The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron)
I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron)
I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT.
The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron)
I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT.
You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
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I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level:
John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization.
Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team.
So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that.
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The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron)
I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT.
You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Of course you could go for a QB that emulates TT but I feel like if you go away from Rosen you lose your chance to unlock the full potential of Landry in this offense with his work on the shallow, intermediate and middle of the field game that TT and Mayfield aren't known for.
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I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level:
John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization.
Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team.
So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that.
I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level:
John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization.
Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team.
So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that.
Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
Is that because you are so enamored with Rosen that you refuse to hear a discouraging word about him? Even if it is a clever discouraging word?
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
And....the scuttlebutt is that Jimmy Haslam is going on and on and on about Mayfield....like he did with JFF.....so, perhaps there could be some owner intervention in the choice!!..
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https://thebiglead.com/2018/03/27/jim-mora-josh-rosen-sam-darnold/
Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit?
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I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level:
John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization.
Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team.
So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that.
Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff.
Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff.
Yes....it is all speculation. So What? That is what we do here a lot. Besides...there HAS been some smoke along those lines.....so it is not like I pulled the speculation that Rosen doesn't want to come to Cleveland out of my heinie. It has been a broad area of discussion.
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You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever).
So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why?
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
Beat me to it Tour, my thoughts exactly.
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Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff.
Yes....it is all speculation. So What? That is what we do here a lot. Besides...there HAS been some smoke along those lines.....so it is not like I pulled the speculation that Rosen doesn't want to come to Cleveland out of my heinie. It has been a broad area of discussion.
Yes....it is all speculation. So What? That is what we do here a lot. Besides...there HAS been some smoke along those lines.....so it is not like I pulled the speculation that Rosen doesn't want to come to Cleveland out of my heinie. It has been a broad area of discussion.
Well, if you are just going to make sh!t up you don't need to build a case... see below...
The Giants really really want Rosen and are afraid we are going to take him and have handed Jim Mora a stack of cash under the table?
... and that's how you do it... quick and clean... lol
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever...
Is that because you are so enamored with Rosen that you refuse to hear a discouraging word about him? Even if it is a clever discouraging word?
If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action.
And....the scuttlebutt is that Jimmy Haslam is going on and on and on about Mayfield....like he did with JFF.....so, perhaps there could be some owner intervention in the choice!!..
And....the scuttlebutt is that Jimmy Haslam is going on and on and on about Mayfield....like he did with JFF.....so, perhaps there could be some owner intervention in the choice!!..
... and that is how it's down as well.
Especially given that Jimmah has been taking the QB tour with his boys...
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