Trade for OBJ ?
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On the downside he's a team cancer and wants a new deal which would be astronomical.
He wants to be the highest paid non QB. And he says he won't even play at all this year (the last year of his contract) if he doesn't get a new deal. Does ANYBODY really want a guy like THAT on their team? He's an a-hole.
He wants to be the highest paid non QB. And he says he won't even play at all this year (the last year of his contract) if he doesn't get a new deal. Does ANYBODY really want a guy like THAT on their team? He's an a-hole.
Hell... he's talking $19mm a year. That's not affordable in the long run...
Beckham’s much better than Landry.
... and Gordon the 75% of the time OBJ gets on the field, but I still pass.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.....no, no, no....NO.
NO.
First of all, I see this as a crap story anyway. The Cleveland Browns aren't going to trade for Odell Beckham. It's just not going to happen. Did we kick the tires? Maybe. But I don't see the actual player fitting in with our team. Sure, he's super talented, but he's also a tremendous pain in the neck. We don't seem to suffer those types, and we have Josh Gordon. Josh is a different kind of pain, and according to everyone on the team, is working on changing. We know all too well it's "day to day" with him, but we have our #1 WR, and we just need to pray for him to keep it together.
I also don't feel like Tyrod is the type of QB that Odell would play well with anyway. Tyrod is known to bounce some passes to open guys, and I can see Odell throwing his hands up in frustration and being a baby. To be fair, Josh did that a few times, but I can hardly blame him. Josh did it when Kizer didn't even SEE him. I remember a crossing pattern when we had the ball 3rd and 8 or so at around our 15. Josh breaks open at full speed across the middle about 15 yards down field and would've run forever. I think we were down 3 at the time. Kizer bounced one into double coverage to the sidelines.
Odell doesn't fit into our team. He'd be way too expensive. And frankly, I'm currently fine with our WRs (subject to change if Josh breaks my heart again). Guys, don't give up on Corey Coleman please. He had about as bad a start as a guy can get, and he's definitely made his own mistakes. But Corey didn't choose to break his hand twice or get to play with bozos at the WR and QB positions. Corey Coleman playing alongside Josh Gordon and Jarvis Landry is going to be a threat, I'm telling you guys. I'm talking 800 yards, 7 Tds, and some explosive plays.
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A. Other than Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott....Joe M. did not play with a lot of HOF players. Compare that to some other dynasties, such as the 70s steelers, 60s Packers, 50s Browns....which each had 10-11 other HOF players on those teams.
1982 - they only had about 3 HOF players: Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross
1985 - HOF Roger Craig, Fred Quinlan, Michael Carter, Eric Wright, Carlton Williamson. But they still had Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross and other good players
1989 - HOF Roger Craig, John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Guy McIntyer, Ronnie Lott, Mike Cofer. But still had guys like Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Charles Haley, Matt Millan, Kevin Fagen
1990 - HOF Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Ronnie Lott, Guy McIntyre. But still had Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Matt Millan, John Taylor, Mike Cofer, Kevin Fagen
**** Now some of these guys were getting a little long in the tooth, but still good players. ***
And don't forget the 49ers had one of the best Olines/Dlines in the game. Now there were times when the Oline broke down and Joe had to roll out of the pocket and do the infamous pump fake, then throw the ball his receiver. But he just had too many weapons.
Besides, I don't think you can call Gronkowski a "no name player"....and a number of other TB has played with have had very big names.
You're right, Brady did have a few good players. Just not enough compared to Montana. Besides, I was only comparing the two best QBs (at least by most). I believe Montana is considered #1 and Brady #2.
The other point I was trying to make is that the 77 Bucs had no roster compared to the 77 Cowboys. They had the worst record in league, which explains why the Ricky Bell didn't have the stats. Oline not very good either and other teams stacked the box.
This has always been an ongoing debate? What if the Steelers had taken Mike Phipps #1 instead of Terry Bradshaw the same year? Would that team still have been a dynasty with Mike Phipps? Most doubt it. Would the Browns have been much better with Terry Bradshaw?
The same for 1999......we picked Couch....instead of Donovan McNabb. Would the Browns have been much better with him? Would the Eagles have gone to like 4 NFC title games with Couch?
I might be one of very few that still believed that if Phily picked Couch and we had McNabb, Couch would have been the star. We came back in 99 and had the worst roster in football. Just my opinion.
But....bottom line...you can debate between Joe Montana and Tom Brady all you want......Otto Graham was still better than both of them...
I have to admit, I didn't see Otto play. But for the record, most still think Joe was #1 and Tom #2.
And for the record, after we take Darnold or Allen at #1, I would rather take Chubb at #4 and go for another back in the 2nd round. As good as Barclay is, we can find another good back in this draft. But Chubb would create the much needed pass rush to make our D stellar right now. If Chubb is taken by the Giants, then we almost have to take Barclay.
A. Other than Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott....Joe M. did not play with a lot of HOF players. Compare that to some other dynasties, such as the 70s steelers, 60s Packers, 50s Browns....which each had 10-11 other HOF players on those teams.
1982 - they only had about 3 HOF players: Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross
1985 - HOF Roger Craig, Fred Quinlan, Michael Carter, Eric Wright, Carlton Williamson. But they still had Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross and other good players
1989 - HOF Roger Craig, John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Guy McIntyer, Ronnie Lott, Mike Cofer. But still had guys like Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Charles Haley, Matt Millan, Kevin Fagen
1990 - HOF Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Ronnie Lott, Guy McIntyre. But still had Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Matt Millan, John Taylor, Mike Cofer, Kevin Fagen
Sorry...but if you are implying that all the names you have given were HOF caliber, or even household names......they were not any more household names that the players the Pats have had over the years. And as noted...ONLY Lott and Rice were HOF. The Pats had the likes of Moss, Welker, Bruski, Vrabel, Seymour, ..Gronkowski, Terry Glenn, Troy Brown, Corey Dillon, Logan Mankins, Matt Light, Vince Wilfork, Darrell Revis, LeGarret Blount and others who are every bit as well known as these names.
And FYI....most of the guys you apparently say are HOF....are not: Clark, Cross, Quinlan, Wright, Williamson, Carter, Craig, Taylor, McIntire, Cofer, none are in HOF
And I would have to check on Haley.....but if he is, it is because he split duties with the 49ers and Cowboys.
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A. Other than Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott....Joe M. did not play with a lot of HOF players. Compare that to some other dynasties, such as the 70s steelers, 60s Packers, 50s Browns....which each had 10-11 other HOF players on those teams.
1982 - they only had about 3 HOF players: Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross
1985 - HOF Roger Craig, Fred Quinlan, Michael Carter, Eric Wright, Carlton Williamson. But they still had Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross and other good players
1989 - HOF Roger Craig, John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Guy McIntyer, Ronnie Lott, Mike Cofer. But still had guys like Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Charles Haley, Matt Millan, Kevin Fagen
1990 - HOF Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Ronnie Lott, Guy McIntyre. But still had Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Matt Millan, John Taylor, Mike Cofer, Kevin Fagen
Sorry...but if you are implying that all the names you have given were HOF caliber, or even household names......they were not any more household names that the players the Pats have had over the years. And as noted...ONLY Lott and Rice were HOF. The Pats had the likes of Moss, Welker, Bruski, Vrabel, Seymour, ..Gronkowski, Terry Glenn, Troy Brown, Corey Dillon, Logan Mankins, Matt Light, Vince Wilfork, Darrell Revis, LeGarret Blount and others who are every bit as well known as these names.
And FYI....most of the guys you apparently say are HOF....are not: Clark, Cross, Quinlan, Wright, Williamson, Carter, Craig, Taylor, McIntire, Cofer, none are in HOF
And I would have to check on Haley.....but if he is, it is because he split duties with the 49ers and Cowboys.
A. Other than Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott....Joe M. did not play with a lot of HOF players. Compare that to some other dynasties, such as the 70s steelers, 60s Packers, 50s Browns....which each had 10-11 other HOF players on those teams.
1982 - they only had about 3 HOF players: Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross
1985 - HOF Roger Craig, Fred Quinlan, Michael Carter, Eric Wright, Carlton Williamson. But they still had Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross and other good players
1989 - HOF Roger Craig, John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Guy McIntyer, Ronnie Lott, Mike Cofer. But still had guys like Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Charles Haley, Matt Millan, Kevin Fagen
1990 - HOF Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Ronnie Lott, Guy McIntyre. But still had Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Matt Millan, John Taylor, Mike Cofer, Kevin Fagen
Sorry...but if you are implying that all the names you have given were HOF caliber, or even household names......they were not any more household names that the players the Pats have had over the years. And as noted...ONLY Lott and Rice were HOF. The Pats had the likes of Moss, Welker, Bruski, Vrabel, Seymour, ..Gronkowski, Terry Glenn, Troy Brown, Corey Dillon, Logan Mankins, Matt Light, Vince Wilfork, Darrell Revis, LeGarret Blount and others who are every bit as well known as these names.
And FYI....most of the guys you apparently say are HOF....are not: Clark, Cross, Quinlan, Wright, Williamson, Carter, Craig, Taylor, McIntire, Cofer, none are in HOF
And I would have to check on Haley.....but if he is, it is because he split duties with the 49ers and Cowboys.
You're right. The first ones were pro bowlers, my mistake. But Charles Haley and Fred Dean were both HoFs. And the Oline/Dlines were much better than what the Pats were dealing with.
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A. Other than Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott....Joe M. did not play with a lot of HOF players. Compare that to some other dynasties, such as the 70s steelers, 60s Packers, 50s Browns....which each had 10-11 other HOF players on those teams.
1982 - they only had about 3 HOF players: Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross
1985 - HOF Roger Craig, Fred Quinlan, Michael Carter, Eric Wright, Carlton Williamson. But they still had Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross and other good players
1989 - HOF Roger Craig, John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Guy McIntyer, Ronnie Lott, Mike Cofer. But still had guys like Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Charles Haley, Matt Millan, Kevin Fagen
1990 - HOF Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Ronnie Lott, Guy McIntyre. But still had Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Matt Millan, John Taylor, Mike Cofer, Kevin Fagen
Sorry...but if you are implying that all the names you have given were HOF caliber, or even household names......they were not any more household names that the players the Pats have had over the years. And as noted...ONLY Lott and Rice were HOF. The Pats had the likes of Moss, Welker, Bruski, Vrabel, Seymour, ..Gronkowski, Terry Glenn, Troy Brown, Corey Dillon, Logan Mankins, Matt Light, Vince Wilfork, Darrell Revis, LeGarret Blount and others who are every bit as well known as these names.
And FYI....most of the guys you apparently say are HOF....are not: Clark, Cross, Quinlan, Wright, Williamson, Carter, Craig, Taylor, McIntire, Cofer, none are in HOF
And I would have to check on Haley.....but if he is, it is because he split duties with the 49ers and Cowboys.
You're right. The first ones were pro bowlers, my mistake. But Charles Haley and Fred Dean were both HoFs. And the Oline/Dlines were much better than what the Pats were dealing with.
You're right. The first ones were pro bowlers, my mistake. But Charles Haley and Fred Dean were both HoFs. And the Oline/Dlines were much better than what the Pats were dealing with.
I don't think that is necessarily true. Matt Light, Mankins, Nate Solder....They don't take a back seat to Randy Cross....and whoever else played on the 49ers OL. I don't think.
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On the radio today they were tossing around a swap of number one picks. With some other incentives. On the upside if they were hungry for a quarterback we weren't going to take at number 1 fine. On the downside he's a team cancer and wants a new deal which would be astronomical.
And still not Head and Shoulders, if anything at all, above Landry and Gordon.
WSS
Beckham’s much better than Landry.
Beckham’s much better than Landry.
Not really an apples to apples comparison, Landry is a slot receiver.
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... but apples are much better than oranges.
There's these Ambrosia apples that the local Sam's Club carries... outstanding!
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You're right. The first ones were pro bowlers, my mistake. But Charles Haley and Fred Dean were both HoFs. And the Oline/Dlines were much better than what the Pats were dealing with.
I don't think that is necessarily true. Matt Light, Mankins, Nate Solder....They don't take a back seat to Randy Cross....and whoever else played on the 49ers OL. I don't think.
I don't think that is necessarily true. Matt Light, Mankins, Nate Solder....They don't take a back seat to Randy Cross....and whoever else played on the 49ers OL. I don't think.
Unfortunately teams from today can't go back to the eighties and play each other, so we'll never know. It's like the argument of who was better between the 80's 49ers and the Steelers of the 70's.
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No, won't even bother. But I think you get my drift.
We've been down this road before. Some pointed it out earlier in this thread. Even an upper echelon HOF running back can't win multiple Super Bowls by himself. Jim Brown=1, Walter Payton=1, Barry Sanders=0, Ladanian Tomlinson=0, Adrian Peterson=0. Some guys are making Saquon into a best version of all the previously mentioned- and he isn't.
BTW, looking at the top 25 all time in rushing yardage only three (Brown, Payton, and Sanders) played their entire careers with one team.
We've been down this road before. Some pointed it out earlier in this thread. Even an upper echelon HOF running back can't win multiple Super Bowls by himself. Jim Brown=1, Walter Payton=1, Barry Sanders=0, Ladanian Tomlinson=0, Adrian Peterson=0. Some guys are making Saquon into a best version of all the previously mentioned- and he isn't.
BTW, looking at the top 25 all time in rushing yardage only three (Brown, Payton, and Sanders) played their entire careers with one team.
Well, its a good thing we have a future HOFer sitting on our bench right now. Hogan handing it off to Barkley will carry the Browns to multiple future SBs.
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... but apples are much better than oranges.
There's these Ambrosia apples that the local Sam's Club carries... outstanding!
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Jarvis Landry wasn’t happy with his # of targets in Miami (which was shitloads) and yet he’s asking the Browns to get OBJ
I don’t think he’s thought this through...
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The Giants are insisting on two first round draft picks.
hell no.
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The Giants are insisting on two first round draft picks.
hell no.
I would give them this offer.
Switch 1st picks in both the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Give them next years 2nd rounder and the Patriots 2019 future 3rd rounder... and Drew Stanton.
Gordon, ODB, Landry, Louis and Coleman~ Njoku and DeValve ~ Saquon, Hyde and Duke... I wouldn't care if Daffy Duck was playing QB- There is no stopping that offense.
- Combined with Haley's pick and roll offense, it would be deadly? Do you know de way?
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Beckham is going to want $20 Million a year. Someone is going to be stupid enough to do it and I hope it's not the Browns.
Two 1sts+$20M per=disaster.
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Jimbo, you are correct IMO.
We have moved too far forward to negate that progress in one move.
Mike
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Beckham is going to want $20 Million a year. Someone is going to be stupid enough to do it and I hope it's not the Browns.
Two 1sts+$20M per=disaster.
Beckham is going to want $20 Million a year. Someone is going to be stupid enough to do it and I hope it's not the Browns.
Two 1sts+$20M per=disaster.
It would take getting Gordon/ODB/Landry to sit down together and decide how much is too much and if there is room for the three of them to achieve a level of satisfaction without breaking the bank. You could sign all to a 3 year deal. Rotate the big contract years between them. But imagine the TV money and endorsement deals that could come along with that triple threat at WR... They would have to know that we have a certain cap on WR money available, you need a team around them. Look at some of the examples of Players taking pay cuts to ensure the team won't suffer because that's what would have happened.
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The Giants are insisting on two first round draft picks.
hell no.
I would give them this offer.
Switch 1st picks in both the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Give them next years 2nd rounder and the Patriots 2019 future 3rd rounder... and Drew Stanton.
Gordon, ODB, Landry, Louis and Coleman~ Njoku and DeValve ~ Saquon, Hyde and Duke... I wouldn't care if Daffy Duck was playing QB- There is no stopping that offense.
- Combined with Haley's pick and roll offense, it would be deadly? Do you know de way?
I would give them this offer.
Switch 1st picks in both the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Give them next years 2nd rounder and the Patriots 2019 future 3rd rounder... and Drew Stanton.
Gordon, ODB, Landry, Louis and Coleman~ Njoku and DeValve ~ Saquon, Hyde and Duke... I wouldn't care if Daffy Duck was playing QB- There is no stopping that offense.
- Combined with Haley's pick and roll offense, it would be deadly? Do you know de way?
Oh no. Now you're killing dead memes
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Beckham is going to want $20 Million a year. Someone is going to be stupid enough to do it and I hope it's not the Browns.
Two 1sts+$20M per=disaster.
It would take getting Gordon/ODB/Landry to sit down together and decide how much is too much and if there is room for the three of them to achieve a level of satisfaction without breaking the bank. You could sign all to a 3 year deal. Rotate the big contract years between them. But imagine the TV money and endorsement deals that could come along with that triple threat at WR... They would have to know that we have a certain cap on WR money available, you need a team around them. Look at some of the examples of Players taking pay cuts to ensure the team won't suffer because that's what would have happened.
It would take getting Gordon/ODB/Landry to sit down together and decide how much is too much and if there is room for the three of them to achieve a level of satisfaction without breaking the bank. You could sign all to a 3 year deal. Rotate the big contract years between them. But imagine the TV money and endorsement deals that could come along with that triple threat at WR... They would have to know that we have a certain cap on WR money available, you need a team around them. Look at some of the examples of Players taking pay cuts to ensure the team won't suffer because that's what would have happened.
But what about Barkley? Is he involved in the sit down? How many touches is he gonna get with those three guys? Not to mention Njoku and Hyde!
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It would take getting Gordon/ODB/Landry to sit down together and decide how much is too much and if there is room for the three of them to achieve a level of satisfaction without breaking the bank. You could sign all to a 3 year deal. Rotate the big contract years between them. But imagine the TV money and endorsement deals that could come along with that triple threat at WR... They would have to know that we have a certain cap on WR money available, you need a team around them. Look at some of the examples of Players taking pay cuts to ensure the team won't suffer because that's what would have happened.
But what about Barkley? Is he involved in the sit down? How many touches is he gonna get with those three guys? Not to mention Njoku and Hyde!
But what about Barkley? Is he involved in the sit down? How many touches is he gonna get with those three guys? Not to mention Njoku and Hyde!
Barkley is going to be a huge part of that. But for 4 years, with a team option 5th year, he's going to be on his mandatory rookie contract, correct?
With that team we could be top 3 in offensive production and scoring. Could be better than "the greatest show on turf" to be honest.
Barkley is a team guy, he's not going to complain about his touches, as long as he can help us win, either by running the ball, catching out of the backfield, play action fakes, pass protection, kickoff/punt returns, he's going to be happy.
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The Giants are insisting on two first round draft picks.
I'd insist giving UP my first two 1st round p(r)icks for Sandra Bullock..but for Simon OBJ Pheonix for a 16M yearly rental? N(D)OPE!!
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