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well, sissy markie - here's the thing - Allen played with a far lesser cast of quality players by far, than rosen did.
and Allen didn't have an ex-NFL hc - rosen did. If you think rosen would have been successful as Allen was at Wyoming...
that would be a huge laugh. The whole point is, the appraisal of qb's is far more complex than you doing your sissy love affair dance with rosen about his completion percentage. Note - The ESPN announcers questioned his toughness, not me.
We'll just see how the draft goes.
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57% is far better than the 37% vs Oregon Allen put up. Or the 47% vs Hawaii, or the 44% vs Boise st, or the 50% vs Colorado St.
And yes Rosen carried ucla. They went 1-6 without him.
Let's check out a common opponent
And yes Rosen carried ucla. They went 1-6 without him.
Let's check out a common opponent
that would have meaning if they played with the same players. They didn't.
Here's more to the point:
Wyoming has a student population of about 9788 undergraduate students.
UCLA - has about 30,873.
I've already showed how many seniors will be eligible for the draft from UCLA.
and from Wyoming. UCLA had the huge advantage.
and they didn't go 1-6 without him. His last year the only games he missed was Utah and the bowl game, and skipped his bowl game.
https://www.masterresource.org/wind-power/15-bad-things-windpower/
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And yes Rosen carried ucla. They went 1-6 without him.
Let's check out a common opponent
that would have meaning if they played with the same players. They didn't.
Here's more to the point:
Wyoming has a student population of about 9788 undergraduate students.
UCLA - has about 30,873.
I've already showed how many seniors will be eligible for the draft from UCLA.
and from Wyoming. UCLA had the huge advantage.
and they didn't go 1-6 without him. His last year the only games he missed was Utah and the bowl game, and skipped his bowl game.
https://www.masterresource.org/wind-power/15-bad-things-windpower/
that would have meaning if they played with the same players. They didn't.
Here's more to the point:
Wyoming has a student population of about 9788 undergraduate students.
UCLA - has about 30,873.
I've already showed how many seniors will be eligible for the draft from UCLA.
and from Wyoming. UCLA had the huge advantage.
and they didn't go 1-6 without him. His last year the only games he missed was Utah and the bowl game, and skipped his bowl game.
https://www.masterresource.org/wind-power/15-bad-things-windpower/
They went 1-5 in 2016 without him as the starter. So I guess it's actually 1-7. Thanks for pointing that out. No wonder Mora got fired.
Maybe Wyoming can't get better players because Wyoming sucks, that's why B and C level players end up there.
Here's the Washington game. Does this look like a horrible game for the QB? It's also a nice Vita Vea HL reel.
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y'all are wasting your time. He can't see any of that past his hatred for Rosen and/or his love of Allen or a combination of both. He's irrational about both sides of this and it's impossible to discuss something with an irrational person.
y'all are wasting your time. He can't see any of that past his hatred for Rosen and/or his love of Allen or a combination of both. He's irrational about both sides of this and it's impossible to discuss something with an irrational person.
I know Mark, but one last time.
Allen played with a far lesser cast of quality players by far, than rosen did..
It was not the cast, it was the missed passes to players who had gotten open against the lessor cast of players they were up against. Throw out the games against the top opponents and that is still what any person watching entire games will see. Strong, inaccurate arm. Yes, his pro day against the windless dome looked better for short & intermediate passes, but the long throws were a joke with one exception.
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y'all are wasting your time. He can't see any of that past his hatred for Rosen and/or his love of Allen or a combination of both. He's irrational about both sides of this and it's impossible to discuss something with an irrational person.
I know Mark, but one last time.
Allen played with a far lesser cast of quality players by far, than rosen did..
It was not the cast, it was the missed passes to players who had gotten open against the lessor cast of players they were up against. Throw out the games against the top opponents and that is still what any person watching entire games will see. Strong, inaccurate arm. Yes, his pro day against the windless dome looked better for short & intermediate passes, but the long throws were a joke with one exception.
I know Mark, but one last time.
It was not the cast, it was the missed passes to players who had gotten open against he lessor cast of players they were up against. Throw out the games against the top opponents and that is still what any person watching entire games will see. Strong, inaccurate arm. Yes, his pro day against the windless dome looked better for short & intermediate passes, but the long throws were a joke with one exception.
Allen took them all the way to the bowl game, and WON the bowl game. that he has to work on his footwork - not a big deal to me, since he is very, very athletic, and showed significant improvement even by the combine - where Darnold wasn't sure he could improve enough by then....
Allen never had an ex-NFL head coach gromming him for his years in college. And he still is a better prospect than rosen.
Mayock has Allen the #2 qb behind DArnold.
Mel Kiper has the Browns taking Allen with the overall #1 pick. I agree with him - Allen IS that great a prospect.
CBSSports R.J. White's mock draft has the Browns taking Allen with the #1 pick.
oh, btw, the same mock has the Patriots taking Miller, rosen LEFT TACKLE in the first round.
In December, ESPN senior writer Ian O’Connor said on Twitter an NFC personnel executive is “convinced” the Browns would take Allen. Peter King of Sports Illustrated has also heard rumblings about Allen landing in Cleveland based on new general manager John Dorsey wanting his version of Carson Wentz.
“I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen,” a college scout told King for his Monday Morning Quarterback column. “This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.”
It isn't just some of us on this forum. It's people in the NFL and in the media.
“Though unlikely, it isn’t coming out of thin air. Allen’s stats leave a lot to be desired, but his size and arm talent are through the roof,” Sikkema wrote. “If the right quarterback coach can get his hands on him, there’s a chance he can rise to the selection.”
It’s not the first time Allen’s name has been bandied about for the Browns.
In December, ESPN senior writer Ian O’Connor said on Twitter an NFC personnel executive is “convinced” the Browns would take Allen. Peter King of Sports Illustrated has also heard rumblings about Allen landing in Cleveland based on new general manager John Dorsey wanting his version of Carson Wentz.
“I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen,” a college scout told King for his Monday Morning Quarterback column. “This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.”
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that would have meaning if they played with the same players. They didn't.
Here's more to the point:
Wyoming has a student population of about 9788 undergraduate students.
UCLA - has about 30,873.
I've already showed how many seniors will be eligible for the draft from UCLA.
and from Wyoming. UCLA had the huge advantage.
and they didn't go 1-6 without him. His last year the only games he missed was Utah and the bowl game, and skipped his bowl game.
https://www.masterresource.org/wind-power/15-bad-things-windpower/
They went 1-5 in 2016 without him as the starter. So I guess it's actually 1-7. Thanks for pointing that out. No wonder Mora got fired.
Maybe Wyoming can't get better players because Wyoming sucks, that's why B and C level players end up there.
Here's the Washington game. Does this look like a horrible game for the QB? It's also a nice Vita Vea HL reel.
Maybe Wyoming can't get better players because Wyoming sucks, that's why B and C level players end up there.
Pretty much the story of the whole Mountain West...
Is there a Mountain East?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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I know Mark, but one last time.
It was not the cast, it was the missed passes to players who had gotten open against he lessor cast of players they were up against. Throw out the games against the top opponents and that is still what any person watching entire games will see. Strong, inaccurate arm. Yes, his pro day against the windless dome looked better for short & intermediate passes, but the long throws were a joke with one exception.
Allen took them all the way to the bowl game, and WON the bowl game. that he has to work on his footwork - not a big deal to me, since he is very, very athletic, and showed significant improvement even by the combine - where Darnold wasn't sure he could improve enough by then....
Allen never had an ex-NFL head coach gromming him for his years in college. And he still is a better prospect than rosen.
Mayock has Allen the #2 qb behind DArnold.
Mel Kiper has the Browns taking Allen with the overall #1 pick. I agree with him - Allen IS that great a prospect.
CBSSports R.J. White's mock draft has the Browns taking Allen with the #1 pick.
oh, btw, the same mock has the Patriots taking Miller, rosen LEFT TACKLE in the first round.
In December, ESPN senior writer Ian O’Connor said on Twitter an NFC personnel executive is “convinced” the Browns would take Allen. Peter King of Sports Illustrated has also heard rumblings about Allen landing in Cleveland based on new general manager John Dorsey wanting his version of Carson Wentz.
“I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen,” a college scout told King for his Monday Morning Quarterback column. “This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.”
It isn't just some of us on this forum. It's people in the NFL and in the media.
“Though unlikely, it isn’t coming out of thin air. Allen’s stats leave a lot to be desired, but his size and arm talent are through the roof,” Sikkema wrote. “If the right quarterback coach can get his hands on him, there’s a chance he can rise to the selection.”
It’s not the first time Allen’s name has been bandied about for the Browns.
In December, ESPN senior writer Ian O’Connor said on Twitter an NFC personnel executive is “convinced” the Browns would take Allen. Peter King of Sports Illustrated has also heard rumblings about Allen landing in Cleveland based on new general manager John Dorsey wanting his version of Carson Wentz.
“I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen,” a college scout told King for his Monday Morning Quarterback column. “This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.”
“Though unlikely, it isn’t coming out of thin air. Allen’s stats leave a lot to be desired, but his size and arm talent are through the roof,” “If the right quarterback coach can get his hands on him, there’s a chance he can rise to the selection.”It’s not the first time Allen’s name has been bandied about for the Browns.In December, ESPN senior writer Ian O’Connor said on Twitter an NFC personnel executive is “convinced” the Browns would take Allen. Peter King of Sports Illustrated has also heard rumblings about Allen landing in Cleveland based on new general manager John Dorsey wanting his version of Carson Wentz.“I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen,” a college scout told King for his Monday Morning Quarterback column. “This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.”In reply to the parts I've bolded.
1) Yup, they're looking at as (can't remember who) said, arm Talent, not arm ACCURACY. Way too many scouts fall in love with that parameter.
2) Right quarterback coach? Hue Jackson? God help us in that scenario!!! I don't know about you, but with the #1 overall pick- I'd like to minimize my chances that pick is going to bust.
3) Wentz reincarnated? Like Hell, not even close, other than physical parameters. Did they ever watch any of Carson's games at ND State? I have.
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Pretty much the story of the whole Mountain West...
Is there a Mountain East?
Mountain West does generate some very good players. But those players (like Rashaad Penny) have good to great stats even when they play teams from the bigger and better conferences.
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Mountain West does generate some very good players. But those players (like Rashaad Penny) have good to great stats even when they play teams from the bigger and better conferences.
Brian Sipe and Marshall Faulk are two prime examples. I would not mind seeing Penny in orange and brown.. Most underrated player in the draft.
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Well when you have to go back 30 years to come up with two "prime examples"...
A good player here and there can slip thru the cracks and into any of the lesser conferences just as UDFAs can go on to HoF careers... but they are the exceptions.
Well when you have to go back 30 years to come up with two "prime examples"...
A good player here and there can slip thru the cracks and into any of the lesser conferences just as UDFAs can go on to HoF careers... but they are the exceptions.
I agree. I definitely don't think the mwc is an NFL pipeline.
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I don't like Schumcky Cooks. If Rosen is the best qb in the draft why is he mocking Allen to the Browns? Yuccky's cow poop meanderings Steve.
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I don't like Schumcky Cooks. If Rosen is the best qb in the draft why is he mocking Allen to the Browns? Yuccky's cow poop meanderings Steve.
I don't like Schumcky Cooks. If Rosen is the best qb in the draft why is he mocking Allen to the Browns? Yuccky's cow poop meanderings Steve.
Just posting the article. It is an opinion that some people, who aren't complete idiots, seem to embrace. Like I've said my concerns are his frame and the idea that he isn't dedicated to the sport which, of course, may just be negative hype. I have concerns about all four of the top choices.
WSS
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I saw Bucky discussing it on NFL Network last night and he was saying basically Rosen is the next Drew Brees. I will be PO'd if the Browns screw the pooch on this. There are not enough XXX T-shirts around to handle the list of fails. One more could doom the franchise.
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Bucky was a cb. yeah, he's a real expert at quarterbacking. Played for five different teams in fives years, mostly
as a kr. nah.
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Bucky was a cb. yeah, he's a real expert at quarterbacking. Played for five different teams in fives years, mostly
as a kr. nah.
Bucky was a cb. yeah, he's a real expert at quarterbacking. Played for five different teams in fives years, mostly
as a kr. nah.
Generally we DB's can spot a good QB when we see one. Helps when you have to faced the Schmuckers.
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