Rosen
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I know Mark, but one last time.
It was not the cast, it was the missed passes to players who had gotten open against he lessor cast of players they were up against. Throw out the games against the top opponents and that is still what any person watching entire games will see. Strong, inaccurate arm. Yes, his pro day against the windless dome looked better for short & intermediate passes, but the long throws were a joke with one exception.
Allen took them all the way to the bowl game, and WON the bowl game. that he has to work on his footwork - not a big deal to me, since he is very, very athletic, and showed significant improvement even by the combine - where Darnold wasn't sure he could improve enough by then....
Allen never had an ex-NFL head coach gromming him for his years in college. And he still is a better prospect than rosen.
Mayock has Allen the #2 qb behind DArnold.
Mel Kiper has the Browns taking Allen with the overall #1 pick. I agree with him - Allen IS that great a prospect.
CBSSports R.J. White's mock draft has the Browns taking Allen with the #1 pick.
oh, btw, the same mock has the Patriots taking Miller, rosen LEFT TACKLE in the first round.
In December, ESPN senior writer Ian O’Connor said on Twitter an NFC personnel executive is “convinced” the Browns would take Allen. Peter King of Sports Illustrated has also heard rumblings about Allen landing in Cleveland based on new general manager John Dorsey wanting his version of Carson Wentz.
“I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen,” a college scout told King for his Monday Morning Quarterback column. “This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.”
It isn't just some of us on this forum. It's people in the NFL and in the media.
“Though unlikely, it isn’t coming out of thin air. Allen’s stats leave a lot to be desired, but his size and arm talent are through the roof,” Sikkema wrote. “If the right quarterback coach can get his hands on him, there’s a chance he can rise to the selection.”
It’s not the first time Allen’s name has been bandied about for the Browns.
In December, ESPN senior writer Ian O’Connor said on Twitter an NFC personnel executive is “convinced” the Browns would take Allen. Peter King of Sports Illustrated has also heard rumblings about Allen landing in Cleveland based on new general manager John Dorsey wanting his version of Carson Wentz.
“I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen,” a college scout told King for his Monday Morning Quarterback column. “This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.”
“Though unlikely, it isn’t coming out of thin air. Allen’s stats leave a lot to be desired, but his size and arm talent are through the roof,” “If the right quarterback coach can get his hands on him, there’s a chance he can rise to the selection.”It’s not the first time Allen’s name has been bandied about for the Browns.In December, ESPN senior writer Ian O’Connor said on Twitter an NFC personnel executive is “convinced” the Browns would take Allen. Peter King of Sports Illustrated has also heard rumblings about Allen landing in Cleveland based on new general manager John Dorsey wanting his version of Carson Wentz.“I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen,” a college scout told King for his Monday Morning Quarterback column. “This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.”In reply to the parts I've bolded.
1) Yup, they're looking at as (can't remember who) said, arm Talent, not arm ACCURACY. Way too many scouts fall in love with that parameter.
2) Right quarterback coach? Hue Jackson? God help us in that scenario!!! I don't know about you, but with the #1 overall pick- I'd like to minimize my chances that pick is going to bust.
3) Wentz reincarnated? Like Hell, not even close, other than physical parameters. Did they ever watch any of Carson's games at ND State? I have.
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Pretty much the story of the whole Mountain West...
Is there a Mountain East?
Mountain West does generate some very good players. But those players (like Rashaad Penny) have good to great stats even when they play teams from the bigger and better conferences.
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Mountain West does generate some very good players. But those players (like Rashaad Penny) have good to great stats even when they play teams from the bigger and better conferences.
Brian Sipe and Marshall Faulk are two prime examples. I would not mind seeing Penny in orange and brown.. Most underrated player in the draft.
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Well when you have to go back 30 years to come up with two "prime examples"...
A good player here and there can slip thru the cracks and into any of the lesser conferences just as UDFAs can go on to HoF careers... but they are the exceptions.
Well when you have to go back 30 years to come up with two "prime examples"...
A good player here and there can slip thru the cracks and into any of the lesser conferences just as UDFAs can go on to HoF careers... but they are the exceptions.
I agree. I definitely don't think the mwc is an NFL pipeline.
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I don't like Schumcky Cooks. If Rosen is the best qb in the draft why is he mocking Allen to the Browns? Yuccky's cow poop meanderings Steve.
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I don't like Schumcky Cooks. If Rosen is the best qb in the draft why is he mocking Allen to the Browns? Yuccky's cow poop meanderings Steve.
I don't like Schumcky Cooks. If Rosen is the best qb in the draft why is he mocking Allen to the Browns? Yuccky's cow poop meanderings Steve.
Just posting the article. It is an opinion that some people, who aren't complete idiots, seem to embrace. Like I've said my concerns are his frame and the idea that he isn't dedicated to the sport which, of course, may just be negative hype. I have concerns about all four of the top choices.
WSS
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I saw Bucky discussing it on NFL Network last night and he was saying basically Rosen is the next Drew Brees. I will be PO'd if the Browns screw the pooch on this. There are not enough XXX T-shirts around to handle the list of fails. One more could doom the franchise.
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Bucky was a cb. yeah, he's a real expert at quarterbacking. Played for five different teams in fives years, mostly
as a kr. nah.
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Bucky was a cb. yeah, he's a real expert at quarterbacking. Played for five different teams in fives years, mostly
as a kr. nah.
Bucky was a cb. yeah, he's a real expert at quarterbacking. Played for five different teams in fives years, mostly
as a kr. nah.
Generally we DB's can spot a good QB when we see one. Helps when you have to faced the Schmuckers.
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he was mostly a kick returner, though. Unless qb's were trying to tackle him on special teams...
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Generally we DB's can spot a good QB when we see one. Helps when you have to faced the Schmuckers.
Well said! Bucky also played 4 years of WR at NC. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/bucky-brooks-1.html
Bucky Brooks
School: North Carolina
Position: WR
Draft: 2nd round, 48th overall of the 1994 NFL draft by the Buffalo Bills
Receiving & Rushing
Receiving Rushing Scrimmage Year School Conf Class Pos G Rec Yds Avg TD Att Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD Career North Carolina 63 1154 18.3 10 4 99 24.8 0 67 1253 18.7 10 1989 North Carolina ACC WR 11 12 144 12.0 0 12 144 12.0 0 1990 North Carolina ACC WR 11 5 96 19.2 1 5 96 19.2 1 1992 North Carolina ACC WR 11 21 400 19.0 3 1 68 68.0 0 22 468 21.3 3 1993 North Carolina ACC WR 12 25 514 20.6 6 3 31 10.3 0 28 545 19.5 6 -
So Bucky Brooks isn’t qualified to comment on QB’s because he “only” played WR and CB, but you are because....?
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So Bucky Brooks isn’t qualified to comment on QB’s because he “only” played WR and CB, but you are because....?
So Bucky Brooks isn’t qualified to comment on QB’s because he “only” played WR and CB, but you are because....?
".....I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?"
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So Bucky Brooks isn’t qualified to comment on QB’s because he “only” played WR and CB, but you are because....?
So Bucky Brooks isn’t qualified to comment on QB’s because he “only” played WR and CB, but you are because....?
Because he finally started watching tape like two weeks ago.
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never said I was qualified. I just do. we don't get paid to be Tour's "experts".
Apparently, bucky doesn't understand much,, that's all.
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never said I was qualified. I just do. we don't get paid to be Tour's "experts".
Apparently, bucky doesn't understand much,, that's all.
never said I was qualified. I just do. we don't get paid to be Tour's "experts".
Apparently, bucky doesn't understand much,, that's all.
He just doesn't understand those intangibles bruh.
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I don't like Schumcky Cooks. If Rosen is the best qb in the draft why is he mocking Allen to the Browns? Yuccky's cow poop meanderings Steve.
I have "experts"? Cool...
I don't like Schumcky Cooks. If Rosen is the best qb in the draft why is he mocking Allen to the Browns? Yuccky's cow poop meanderings Steve.
C'mon, h... you've said it yourself... rankings are different from Mocks. In the latter you say what you think the teams will do. While the former is an ordering of the talent as Bucky... or you... or I... or even cal, sees it.
Here's the odd thing about Bucky... he's completed his "books" on each of the top four QBs (plus two RBs and counting) except the QB that comes first alphabetically. And since he has already clued us in that the missing QB is not his top dog, we know he's not saving the best for last. So why the delay?
Three more weeks of click-bait mocks to go...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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