Kevin Hogan Traded
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Well I always like Kevin Hogan. But the writing's on the wall they have a veteran that's had some success a mentor and they're going to take who they think is the best prospect in the draft.
That doesn't leave a lot of room for the fourth guy. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
WSS
Ditto Steve- I wish him well wherever he winds up. If he plays his cards right, he could be a long term backup in the league- like Colt McCoy. Honestly, Kev may not even be as good as Colt. It's just Po's creepy obsession with him that's disturbing. When he compared him to Joe Flacco- there's something wrong there.
Ditto Steve- I wish him well wherever he winds up. If he plays his cards right, he could be a long term backup in the league- like Colt McCoy. Honestly, Kev may not even be as good as Colt. It's just Po's creepy obsession with him that's disturbing. When he compared him to Joe Flacco- there's something wrong there.
Not for nothing Larry - but have you seen Joey Bottaflacco play after he held a salary cap hostage? And he's had better WRs than the junior varsity caliber WR Corps we've been looking at for way too long.
Looks to me like if he had been here, I could only think of the sound of Pink Floyd with these edited lyrics "All in all he's just another name on the shirt."
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Ditto Steve- I wish him well wherever he winds up. If he plays his cards right, he could be a long term backup in the league- like Colt McCoy. Honestly, Kev may not even be as good as Colt. It's just Po's creepy obsession with him that's disturbing. When he compared him to Joe Flacco- there's something wrong there.
Not for nothing Larry - but have you seen Joey Bottaflacco play after he held a salary cap hostage? And he's had better WRs than the junior varsity caliber WR Corps we've been looking at for way too long.
Looks to me like if he had been here, I could only think of the sound of Pink Floyd with these edited lyrics "All in all he's just another name on the shirt."
Not for nothing Larry - but have you seen Joey Bottaflacco play after he held a salary cap hostage? And he's had better WRs than the junior varsity caliber WR Corps we've been looking at for way too long.
Looks to me like if he had been here, I could only think of the sound of Pink Floyd with these edited lyrics "All in all he's just another name on the shirt."
I don't get the big deal with Flacco.. Hes very average to me...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I don't think anyone on this board has anything against Kevin Hogan, like no one on here has anything against Josh Allen personally.
But when both of their cheerleader's are such clueless, annoying twits... well...
BYE FELICIA!
If watching Kizer didn't always feel like nails on a chalk board - I would have understood the hostility toward Poe. How many times do we need to see a kid swing at a pinata and miss with blindfolds on before we realize there's gotta be a better way to produce some goodies? We spent all of 2017 investing time, reps and growing pains on an inexperienced/inaccurate QB we weren't even going to keep around for 2018. That rated right up there with trading for/signing Brock O for 19 million $ with zero intentions + zero reasons for keeping him.
Let's do the Queer Eye for the Wrong Guy math here: Waste 2nd round pick on Kizer + waste 3rd round pick on Kessler + waste 19 million $ on a former Denver 2nd round pick (Brock O) = Finding what family history on this board traces all the way back to Cupid through Kevin Hogan (not to be confused with Ancestry.Com or the Incestry.Com that Ghoolie uses to find all his Hershey Highway buddies in black and gold)
I'll fess up here and say I enjoyed the trend of seeing Hogan outplay Kizer and Kessler at every opportunity. The 2017 preseason numbers/ratings favoring Hogan were posted as well as the regular season numbers/ratings leading up to the forgettable start Hogan had. In the end, Hogan only really cost us the NFL equivalent value of a Walmart Cola before we got that money back moving up in round 6 from pick #205 to pick #188 of the 2018 draft.
Who was the hollow dome in KC that drafted this church mouse quiet but highly controversial Kevin Hogan anyway? What a beyostard! Can you imagine if he was in charge of drafting us the solution at QB? Oh wait, he IS in charge of that. The good news is some drafts are better than others; while grabbing a veteran FA QB that wins more than he loses via 90+ passer ratings and low turnover volumes can also be good news.
If watching Kizer didn't always feel like nails on a chalk board - I would have understood the hostility toward Poe. How many times do we need to see a kid swing at a pinata and miss with blindfolds on before we realize there's gotta be a better way to produce some goodies? We spent all of 2017 investing time, reps and growing pains on an inexperienced/inaccurate QB we weren't even going to keep around for 2018. That rated right up there with trading for/signing Brock O for 19 million $ with zero intentions + zero reasons for keeping him.
Let's do the Queer Eye for the Wrong Guy math here: Waste 2nd round pick on Kizer + waste 3rd round pick on Kessler + waste 19 million $ on a former Denver 2nd round pick (Brock O) = Finding what family history on this board traces all the way back to Cupid through Kevin Hogan (not to be confused with Ancestry.Com or the Incestry.Com that Ghoolie uses to find all his Hershey Highway buddies in black and gold)
I'll fess up here and say I enjoyed the trend of seeing Hogan outplay Kizer and Kessler at every opportunity.
Ah yes.... I'll never forget Hogan's one start... 1 TD 3 INTs... and 140 yards passing.... 113 net after subtracting his 4 sacks.
You go off the rails from time to time, Flugs, but rarely like this.
Osweiler was all about the 2nd round pick... which we still have BTW. And I am pretty sure that we did not know we weren't going to keep Kizer when we drafted him. In fact to find a lower cost QB bust than Kessler in a draft of ours you have to go back to Luke McCown in 2004.
Higher cost than Kizer? I'm sure you can rattle three relatively recent ones of the top of your head.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Not for nothing Larry - but have you seen Joey Bottaflacco play after he held a salary cap hostage? And he's had better WRs than the junior varsity caliber WR Corps we've been looking at for way too long.
Looks to me like if he had been here, I could only think of the sound of Pink Floyd with these edited lyrics "All in all he's just another name on the shirt."
I don't get the big deal with Flacco.. Hes very average to me...
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He won a Super Bowl that's itHe won a Super Bowl that's it
I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.
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He won a Super Bowl that's itHe won a Super Bowl that's it
I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.
I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.
I think of that scene EVERY TIME Gip's posts go on repeat...
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If watching Kizer didn't always feel like nails on a chalk board - I would have understood the hostility toward Poe. How many times do we need to see a kid swing at a pinata and miss with blindfolds on before we realize there's gotta be a better way to produce some goodies? We spent all of 2017 investing time, reps and growing pains on an inexperienced/inaccurate QB we weren't even going to keep around for 2018. That rated right up there with trading for/signing Brock O for 19 million $ with zero intentions + zero reasons for keeping him.
Let's do the Queer Eye for the Wrong Guy math here: Waste 2nd round pick on Kizer + waste 3rd round pick on Kessler + waste 19 million $ on a former Denver 2nd round pick (Brock O) = Finding what family history on this board traces all the way back to Cupid through Kevin Hogan (not to be confused with Ancestry.Com or the Incestry.Com that Ghoolie uses to find all his Hershey Highway buddies in black and gold)
I'll fess up here and say I enjoyed the trend of seeing Hogan outplay Kizer and Kessler at every opportunity.
Ah yes.... I'll never forget Hogan's one start... 1 TD 3 INTs... and 140 yards passing.... 113 net after subtracting his 4 sacks.
You go off the rails from time to time, Flugs, but rarely like this.
Osweiler was all about the 2nd round pick... which we still have BTW. And I am pretty sure that we did not know we weren't going to keep Kizer when we drafted him. In fact to find a lower cost QB bust than Kessler in a draft of ours you have to go back to Luke McCown in 2004.
Higher cost than Kizer? I'm sure you can rattle three relatively recent ones of the top of your head.
Ah yes.... I'll never forget Hogan's one start... 1 TD 3 INTs... and 140 yards passing.... 113 net after subtracting his 4 sacks.
I wouldn't expect any fan that cornered himself into over-protective mode for Kizer to want to forget the loss we had the only time he didn't start. Here's some starts I'll never forget in the 15 games Kizer lost while he led the NFL in turnovers as someone hoping we had a better alternative than forfeit:
vrs Balt Kizer threw 0 TD 3 INT plus lost a fumble
vrs Balt in the rematch Kizer threw 0 TD 2 INT and lost a fumble.
vrs TN Kizer threw 0 TD 2 INT
vrs NYJ Kizer threw 0 TD 1 INT and lost a fumble
vrs Jax Kizer threw 1 TD 2 INT and lost 2 fumbles
vrs Chi Kizer threw 0 TD 2 INT
vrs IND Kizer threw 2 TD 3 INT
vrs Cin Kizer threw 0 TD 1 INT
Here's the 2017 comparison:
Kizer 15 Games 0-15 rec 53.6 comp% 6.1 avg 11 TD 22 INT 38 sacks for 226 yds 60.5 rate
Hogan 4 Games 0-1 rec 61.3 comp% 6.9 avg 4 TD 5 INT 6 sacks for 35 yds 71.9 rate
Go ahead and slap a Kizer is wonderful tuxedo on this and splash all the cologne you have to on it.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
4 pages and counting on a QB who will not get a season worth of starts in his entire career.
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4 pages and counting on a QB who will not get a season worth of starts in his entire career.
4 pages and counting on a QB who will not get a season worth of starts in his entire career.
Et tu Dutch?
Is your assss bleed from Kevin Hogan or your ongoing feud/frustration with Poe? All I wanted was to see at least 1 alternative to starting the 0-15 Kizer that led the NFL in turnovers. You DO understand it was Kizer we wasted the 2nd round pick on right? 15 attempts to square peg a round hole all with the same result. It's like we watched the first Rocky Movie 15 times in hopes of a different conclusion. Notre Dame was better after he left just like we're gonna be.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
He won a Super Bowl that's itHe won a Super Bowl that's it
I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.
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4 pages and counting on a QB who will not get a season worth of starts in his entire career.
Et tu Dutch?
Is your assss bleed from Kevin Hogan or your ongoing feud/frustration with Poe? All I wanted was to see at least 1 alternative to starting the 0-15 Kizer that led the NFL in turnovers. You DO understand it was Kizer we wasted the 2nd round pick on right? 15 attempts to square peg a round hole all with the same result. It's like we watched the first Rocky Movie 15 times in hopes of a different conclusion. Notre Dame was better after he left just like we're gonna be.
Et tu Dutch?
Is your assss bleed from Kevin Hogan or your ongoing feud/frustration with Poe? All I wanted was to see at least 1 alternative to starting the 0-15 Kizer that led the NFL in turnovers. You DO understand it was Kizer we wasted the 2nd round pick on right? 15 attempts to square peg a round hole all with the same result. It's like we watched the first Rocky Movie 15 times in hopes of a different conclusion. Notre Dame was better after he left just like we're gonna be.
It's not really that difficult Flugel, for some reason you are being extremely emotional regarding one Kevin Hogan.
It was obvious that Kizer was/is a project, yet the Browns named him starter from Day 1. That's on the Browns, not Kizer. They kept starting Kizer, though, because they wanted to see what they had in him. I have my doubts about Kizer's future as a starting QB (but he's in a much better place now for his development), but I have zero doubts about the future of one Kevin Hogan. He's a backup QB on a bad team at best. He has no future as a starting QB.
And I will 100% admit that after seeing one and another stupid, mindless Kevin Hogan post from PoG, I laughed and laughed and laughed when Hogan was sent packing for the equivalent of HALF of a sixth round pick. Maybe you find him entertaining, or cute, but I and many, many others do not. Seeing his boy being shipped away was like Christmas Day.
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Ah yes.... I'll never forget Hogan's one start... 1 TD 3 INTs... and 140 yards passing.... 113 net after subtracting his 4 sacks.
I wouldn't expect any fan that cornered himself into over-protective mode for Kizer to want to forget the loss we had the only time he didn't start. Here's some starts I'll never forget in the 15 games Kizer lost while he led the NFL in turnovers as someone hoping we had a better alternative than forfeit:
vrs Balt Kizer threw 0 TD 3 INT plus lost a fumble
vrs Balt in the rematch Kizer threw 0 TD 2 INT and lost a fumble.
vrs TN Kizer threw 0 TD 2 INT
vrs NYJ Kizer threw 0 TD 1 INT and lost a fumble
vrs Jax Kizer threw 1 TD 2 INT and lost 2 fumbles
vrs Chi Kizer threw 0 TD 2 INT
vrs IND Kizer threw 2 TD 3 INT
vrs Cin Kizer threw 0 TD 1 INT
Here's the 2017 comparison:
Kizer 15 Games 0-15 rec 53.6 comp% 6.1 avg 11 TD 22 INT 38 sacks for 226 yds 60.5 rate
Hogan 4 Games 0-1 rec 61.3 comp% 6.9 avg 4 TD 5 INT 6 sacks for 35 yds 71.9 rate
Go ahead and slap a Kizer is wonderful tuxedo on this and splash all the cologne you have to on it.
I wouldn't expect any fan that cornered himself into over-protective mode for Kizer...
Convenient narrative, but of facts not in evidence, my dear Flugsey...
I was not the one to state, "I enjoyed the trend of seeing Hogan outplay Kizer and Kessler at every opportunity." All it takes is one example to dismiss "every" and that's what I did.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Et tu Dutch?
Is your assss bleed from Kevin Hogan or your ongoing feud/frustration with Poe? All I wanted was to see at least 1 alternative to starting the 0-15 Kizer that led the NFL in turnovers. You DO understand it was Kizer we wasted the 2nd round pick on right? 15 attempts to square peg a round hole all with the same result. It's like we watched the first Rocky Movie 15 times in hopes of a different conclusion. Notre Dame was better after he left just like we're gonna be.
It's not really that difficult Flugel, for some reason you are being extremely emotional regarding one Kevin Hogan.
It was obvious that Kizer was/is a project, yet the Browns named him starter from Day 1. That's on the Browns, not Kizer. They kept starting Kizer, though, because they wanted to see what they had in him. I have my doubts about Kizer's future as a starting QB (but he's in a much better place now for his development), but I have zero doubts about the future of one Kevin Hogan. He's a backup QB on a bad team at best. He has no future as a starting QB.
And I will 100% admit that after seeing one and another stupid, mindless Kevin Hogan post from PoG, I laughed and laughed and laughed when Hogan was sent packing for the equivalent of HALF of a sixth round pick. Maybe you find him entertaining, or cute, but I and many, many others do not. Seeing his boy being shipped away was like Christmas Day.
It's not really that difficult Flugel, for some reason you are being extremely emotional regarding one Kevin Hogan.
It was obvious that Kizer was/is a project, yet the Browns named him starter from Day 1. That's on the Browns, not Kizer. They kept starting Kizer, though, because they wanted to see what they had in him. I have my doubts about Kizer's future as a starting QB (but he's in a much better place now for his development), but I have zero doubts about the future of one Kevin Hogan. He's a backup QB on a bad team at best. He has no future as a starting QB.
And I will 100% admit that after seeing one and another stupid, mindless Kevin Hogan post from PoG, I laughed and laughed and laughed when Hogan was sent packing for the equivalent of HALF of a sixth round pick. Maybe you find him entertaining, or cute, but I and many, many others do not. Seeing his boy being shipped away was like Christmas Day.
You're normally one of my favorite smart asses to read and you're a damn good poster most of the time. That said, which one of us complained about how many pages this thread has after contributing several posts to the length of it?
Try to get your mind off Poe long enough so you don't confuse this "Anything but Kizer fan" as me being anything different than that. You can get that if you want to.
If it makes you feel any better I would have held the same regard for Rosie O'Donnell or Ellen DeGeneres as Kevin Hogan as an alternative I'd prefer to the 15 forfeits we got out of the 2nd round QB here. The sad inconvenient truth is when it all played out, Kevin Hogan had better passing stats than Kizer in pretty much every important passing category there is.
Believe it or not Dutch, I join you in wanting to improve the QB position. That said, we didn't just ship away Dorsey's late round QB from KC you are celebrating most. We also shipped away a 19 million $ QB last training camp and a 2nd round QB and a QB we got at the top of round 3. My inventory shows a sum of 4 QBs this FO is left trying to upgrade while getting lower draft values back in exchange for (Kizer and Kessler); while the 2nd round Brock gets us the last pick of round 2 and the late round Hogan gets us to move up from pick #205 to pick #188. Wouldn't it be nice if we started selecting the right QBs so we don't have to keep pretending we're all pumped about the lesser exchange values we keep getting back for these bad QB choices? That's a lot of spinning the wheels only to still need a QB. That probably brings us to the common ground of being glad we have a more experienced FO in charge this year.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I think of that scene EVERY TIME Gip's posts go on repeat...
Goodfellas you all are going to end up like Joe Pesci
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It's not really that difficult Flugel, for some reason you are being extremely emotional regarding one Kevin Hogan.
It was obvious that Kizer was/is a project, yet the Browns named him starter from Day 1. That's on the Browns, not Kizer. They kept starting Kizer, though, because they wanted to see what they had in him. I have my doubts about Kizer's future as a starting QB (but he's in a much better place now for his development), but I have zero doubts about the future of one Kevin Hogan. He's a backup QB on a bad team at best. He has no future as a starting QB.
And I will 100% admit that after seeing one and another stupid, mindless Kevin Hogan post from PoG, I laughed and laughed and laughed when Hogan was sent packing for the equivalent of HALF of a sixth round pick. Maybe you find him entertaining, or cute, but I and many, many others do not. Seeing his boy being shipped away was like Christmas Day.
You're normally one of my favorite smart asses to read and you're a damn good poster most of the time. That said, which one of us complained about how many pages this thread has after contributing several posts to the length of it?
Try to get your mind off Poe long enough so you don't confuse this "Anything but Kizer fan" as me being anything different than that. You can get that if you want to.
If it makes you feel any better I would have held the same regard for Rosie O'Donnell or Ellen DeGeneres as Kevin Hogan as an alternative I'd prefer to the 15 forfeits we got out of the 2nd round QB here. The sad inconvenient truth is when it all played out, Kevin Hogan had better passing stats than Kizer in pretty much every important passing category there is.
Believe it or not Dutch, I join you in wanting to improve the QB position. That said, we didn't just ship away Dorsey's late round QB from KC you are celebrating most. We also shipped away a 19 million $ QB last training camp and a 2nd round QB and a QB we got at the top of round 3. My inventory shows a sum of 4 QBs this FO is left trying to upgrade while getting lower draft values back in exchange for (Kizer and Kessler); while the 2nd round Brock gets us the last pick of round 2 and the late round Hogan gets us to move up from pick #205 to pick #188. Wouldn't it be nice if we started selecting the right QBs so we don't have to keep pretending we're all pumped about the lesser exchange values we keep getting back for these bad QB choices? That's a lot of spinning the wheels only to still need a QB. That probably brings us to the common ground of being glad we have a more experienced FO in charge this year.
Believe it or not Dutch, I join you in wanting to improve the QB position. That said, we didn't just ship away Dorsey's late round QB from KC you are celebrating most. We also shipped away a 19 million $ QB last training camp and a 2nd round QB and a QB we got at the top of round 3. My inventory shows a sum of 4 QBs this FO is left trying to upgrade while getting lower draft values back in exchange for (Kizer and Kessler); while the 2nd round Brock gets us the last pick of round 2 and the late round Hogan gets us to move up from pick #205 to pick #188. Wouldn't it be nice if we started selecting the right QBs so we don't have to keep pretending we're all pumped about the lesser exchange values we keep getting back for these bad QB choices? That's a lot of spinning the wheels only to still need a QB. That probably brings us to the common ground of being glad we have a more experienced FO in charge this year.
I don't have a dog in this fight- but your facts aren't correct. The last pick in the second round is the one we got from the Eagles, passing on Carson Wentz. The Osweiler pick is the #35 overall we got from the Texans to take Brock off their hands.
One of Sashi's better moves, most teams with the cap room would happily buy #35 for $16 million. But don't tell Ghoolie Haslam isn't cheap.
PS- I call the QB moves addition by subtraction. Hogan was the one who wanted out- and Dorsey obliged him.
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Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
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Hogan simply doesn't have the physical ability to play in the NFL... getting 10 spots in the 6th for a guy whose closest thing to sports should be as commissioner of a fantasy football league is a genius move.
Look, if he was as good as hopes and dreams asserted, he'd have more than a 1:2 TD-INT ratio -- and he'd be able to throw more than a checkdown.
Hate Drew Stanton as the QB3 all you want, and I want to do a lot of that.. but at least he isn't incompetent.
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Hogan simply doesn't have the physical ability to play in the NFL... getting 10 spots in the 6th for a guy whose closest thing to sports should be as commissioner of a fantasy football league is a genius move.
Look, if he was as good as hopes and dreams asserted, he'd have more than a 1:2 TD-INT ratio -- and he'd be able to throw more than a checkdown.
Hate Drew Stanton as the QB3 all you want, and I want to do a lot of that.. but at least he isn't incompetent.
Hate Drew Stanton as the QB3 all you want, and I want to do a lot of that.. but at least he isn't incompetent.
Stanton is there to stand by the clipboard QB and teach him everything he knows from all his years in the league. He's a coach and that's a good thing.
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Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
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I think of that scene EVERY TIME Gip's posts go on repeat...
Goodfellas you all are going to end up like Joe Pesci
Goodfellas you all are going to end up like Joe Pesci
A little Goodfellas trivia: In the movie, an unnamed Lucchese soldier whacks Tommy DeSimone (who Joe Pesci plays in the movie) in the basement of a house that DeSimone thought would be where he was being "made". The true story? A Gambino soldier whacked Tommy DeSimone in the basement of an Italian restaurant in the Bronx. The Gambino soldier's name: John Gotti.
https://nypost.com/2015/07/12/new-book-reveals-john-gottis-role-in-goodfellas-murder/
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