Kevin Hogan Traded
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I saw a post game interview with JM this past Sat. and he talked very emotionally about getting a normal life after the craziness that he was when with Cleveland. He was happy just to be on the field again and more than willing to play in Canada for a couple of years if no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance with him again. He talked about his marriage and changing into someone who liked a real "homebody" life with her. It was the most "authentic" interview I have ever seen him give. I give him a better than 50% chance of doing well in the CFL and making it back to the NFL in 2-3 years. I didn't see the immature "kid" we saw come to Cleveland in that interview. But I did see a love of the game back in him. And a willingness to do it all differently that was real and not just some interviewing BS. The emotion was real and not "canned" for TV.
If all that is true, and I'm not saying it's not ... Manziel doesn't have the body or physical gifts to be an NFL starter. He's still under 6 foot, 205 poinds or so, compare that to a Deshaun Watson, a similar style but 6'4 220 with more arm and better touch. I don't see Manziel making it through a 16 game schedule if he ever beat out 3 NFL QBs for a starting job, which he would never do.
Zombo
Zombo said:
If all that is true, and I'm not saying it's not ... Manziel doesn't have the body or physical gifts to be an NFL starter. He's still under 6 foot, 205 poinds or so, compare that to a Deshaun Watson, a similar style but 6'4 220 with more arm and better touch. I don't see Manziel making it through a 16 game schedule if he ever beat out 3 NFL QBs for a starting job, which he would never do.
Zombo
It would require the learning disciple of a Drew Brees. He's a long way from that, but as a person he appears to be serious about both sobriety and maintaining mental health. There's a tough learning curve for that as well, but I'm just hearing what I would be listening for as a counselor regardless of talent. He may end up staying in the CFL for less $$, but be happier as a person in the long run. I'm thinking of going to see him play this sat. since the stadium the Spring league is using is just down the road about 10 miles or so. Maybe I can get him to sign my primo Manziel Browns jersey for my grandson.
EDIT: I think the one coach that would be interested enough to pick him up after some successful time in the CFL would be John Gruden. I think he likes him as a player and a person. But like any NFL coach he will need to see a track record on Johnny Sober Football.
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Trading Hogan was the only thing we could next to cutting him. Hogan asked for the ability to work a trade. It sounded then like his agent already had a buyer. Moving up 16 slots in whatever round it was was a good deal.
We just signed TT to start. We just signed Stanton to back-up and be the mentor for whoever we draft at 1 or 4. No way we were going to keep 4 QBs. I like Hogan. I felt we should have been playing him over Flattop, it is what it is. I knew since we signed Stanton that Hogan was toast.
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Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
I've watched a lot of bad QBs, but those 2 games really stood out to me as the worst I've seen, right alongside several DA games.
John is a capable QB, certainly gifted enough to be a backup, but he's a dickhead.
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Zombo said:
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
I've watched a lot of bad QBs, but those 2 games really stood out to me as the worst I've seen, right alongside several DA games.
John is a capable QB, certainly gifted enough to be a backup, but he's a dickhead.
I've watched a lot of bad QBs, but those 2 games really stood out to me as the worst I've seen, right alongside several DA games.
John is a capable QB, certainly gifted enough to be a backup, but he's a dickhead.
Those were indeed doosies.
As far as worst ever games that I have seen a QB play a couple that stand out are Warren Moon going into the Dawgpound in 1986: 5-23 68 yards o TD 4 Ints and Jeff Garcia, who posted a zero QB rating for one of his first starts for us against Dallas.
I remember Scott Mitchell actually winning a game for the Bengals without completing a pass, Corey Dillon rushed for 270 or something.
I didn't see the Buffalo rookie throw 5 Ints in one half last year, but the "Highlights" were outstanding.
Zombo
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I've watched a lot of bad QBs, but those 2 games really stood out to me as the worst I've seen, right alongside several DA games.
John is a capable QB, certainly gifted enough to be a backup, but he's a dickhead.
Those were indeed doosies.
As far as worst ever games that I have seen a QB play a couple that stand out are Warren Moon going into the Dawgpound in 1986: 5-23 68 yards o TD 4 Ints and Jeff Garcia, who posted a zero QB rating for one of his first starts for us against Dallas.
I remember Scott Mitchell actually winning a game for the Bengals without completing a pass, Corey Dillon rushed for 270 or something.
I didn't see the Buffalo rookie throw 5 Ints in one half last year, but the "Highlights" were outstanding.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Those were indeed doosies.
As far as worst ever games that I have seen a QB play a couple that stand out are Warren Moon going into the Dawgpound in 1986: 5-23 68 yards o TD 4 Ints and Jeff Garcia, who posted a zero QB rating for one of his first starts for us against Dallas.
I remember Scott Mitchell actually winning a game for the Bengals without completing a pass, Corey Dillon rushed for 270 or something.
I didn't see the Buffalo rookie throw 5 Ints in one half last year, but the "Highlights" were outstanding.
Zombo
Didn't the Browns beat the Bills under Mangini with either Anderson or Quinn passing for 50 yards or something ridiculous like that?
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Zombo said:
Those were indeed doosies.
As far as worst ever games that I have seen a QB play a couple that stand out are Warren Moon going into the Dawgpound in 1986: 5-23 68 yards o TD 4 Ints and Jeff Garcia, who posted a zero QB rating for one of his first starts for us against Dallas.
I remember Scott Mitchell actually winning a game for the Bengals without completing a pass, Corey Dillon rushed for 270 or something.
I didn't see the Buffalo rookie throw 5 Ints in one half last year, but the "Highlights" were outstanding.
Zombo
Didn't the Browns beat the Bills under Mangini with either Anderson or Quinn passing for 50 yards or something ridiculous like that?
Didn't the Browns beat the Bills under Mangini with either Anderson or Quinn passing for 50 yards or something ridiculous like that?
I remember a game we won in the snow, 8-0, Anderson steered us in to FG range for Phil Dawson to set up his big kicks.
Z
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Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
And Hi.
What up, Mike! Who is your QB in this draft class?
I saw a post game interview with JM this past Sat. and he talked very emotionally about getting a normal life after the craziness that he was when with Cleveland. He was happy just to be on the field again and more than willing to play in Canada for a couple of years if no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance with him again. He talked about his marriage and changing into someone who liked a real "homebody" life with her. It was the most "authentic" interview I have ever seen him give. I give him a better than 50% chance of doing well in the CFL and making it back to the NFL in 2-3 years. I didn't see the immature "kid" we saw come to Cleveland in that interview. But I did see a love of the game back in him. And a willingness to do it all differently that was real and not just some interviewing BS. The emotion was real and not "canned" for TV.
Fool me once, shame on Ag...
Fool me twice, shame on Ag...
So basically it's shame on Ag...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And Hi.
What up, Mike! Who is your QB in this draft class?
I saw a post game interview with JM this past Sat. and he talked very emotionally about getting a normal life after the craziness that he was when with Cleveland. He was happy just to be on the field again and more than willing to play in Canada for a couple of years if no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance with him again. He talked about his marriage and changing into someone who liked a real "homebody" life with her. It was the most "authentic" interview I have ever seen him give. I give him a better than 50% chance of doing well in the CFL and making it back to the NFL in 2-3 years. I didn't see the immature "kid" we saw come to Cleveland in that interview. But I did see a love of the game back in him. And a willingness to do it all differently that was real and not just some interviewing BS. The emotion was real and not "canned" for TV.
Fool me once, shame on Ag...
Fool me twice, shame on Ag...
So basically it's shame on Ag...
What up, Mike! Who is your QB in this draft class?
Fool me once, shame on Ag...
Fool me twice, shame on Ag...
So basically it's shame on Ag...
I may have some choice land for sale in Puerto Rico for you soon Tour. Ocean views since the trees are all down.
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I may have some choice land for sale in Puerto Rico for you soon Tour. Ocean views since the trees are all down.
He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
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I may have some choice land for sale in Puerto Rico for you soon Tour. Ocean views since the trees are all down.
He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
But you can't see the ocean through the smog and mosquitoes in Houston.🥷
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He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
But you can't see the ocean through the smog and mosquitoes in Houston.🥷
But you can't see the ocean through the smog and mosquitoes in Houston.🥷
Quick trip to Galveston then.
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But you can't see the ocean through the smog and mosquitoes in Houston.🥷
Quick trip to Galveston then.
Quick trip to Galveston then.
If by quick trip you mean a 5-hour drive...
I haven't lived in the Houston area since 2005.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Quick trip to Galveston then.
If by quick trip you mean a 5-hour drive...
I haven't lived in the Houston area since 2005.
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But you can't see the ocean through the smog and mosquitoes in Houston.🥷
Quick trip to Galveston then.
Quick trip to Galveston then.
Here's a quick trivia answer for you. Were you aware that the high water mark for the 1900 hurricane was actually lower in the Moody Mansion than Hurricane Ike in 2008?
EDIT: The Moodys actually bought it for about 1/5 it's value after the 1900 chased other bidders away. It was built in 1895.
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I may have some choice land for sale in Puerto Rico for you soon Tour. Ocean views since the trees are all down.
He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
Actually Gip, most of the trees survived quite well, confirmed by my visit, mostly an unrelenting rain event. Tour can confirm this.
Surprisingly little visible storm damage short of several dumpsters I saw in driveways full of destroyed drywall. Only impressive thing I eventually noticed was debris lodged in the bridge over the Buffalo Bayou. For those who haven't been- the part I saw is around a 20 foot wide creek in a 20+ foot deep and 100 foot wide ravine. The water came up over the bridge.
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Quick trip to Galveston then.
Here's a quick trivia answer for you. Were you aware that the high water mark for the 1900 hurricane was actually lower in the Moody Mansion than Hurricane Ike in 2008?
EDIT: The Moodys actually bought it for about 1/5 it's value after the 1900 chased other bidders away. It was built in 1895.
Here's a quick trivia answer for you. Were you aware that the high water mark for the 1900 hurricane was actually lower in the Moody Mansion than Hurricane Ike in 2008?
Is this Jeopardy? If that is the answer....what is the question?
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He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
Actually Gip, most of the trees survived quite well, confirmed by my visit, mostly an unrelenting rain event. Tour can confirm this.
Surprisingly little visible storm damage short of several dumpsters I saw in driveways full of destroyed drywall. Only impressive thing I eventually noticed was debris lodged in the bridge over the Buffalo Bayou. For those who haven't been- the part I saw is around a 20 foot wide creek in a 20+ foot deep and 100 foot wide ravine. The water came up over the bridge.
Actually Gip, most of the trees survived quite well, confirmed by my visit, mostly an unrelenting rain event. Tour can confirm this.
Surprisingly little visible storm damage short of several dumpsters I saw in driveways full of destroyed drywall. Only impressive thing I eventually noticed was debris lodged in the bridge over the Buffalo Bayou. For those who haven't been- the part I saw is around a 20 foot wide creek in a 20+ foot deep and 100 foot wide ravine. The water came up over the bridge.
Both homes I grew up in on the poor (low) side of Beaumont went under with Harvey's flooding there. I saw some people on TV rescued by helicopter about 4 blocks from the first home I lived in there.
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He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
Actually Gip, most of the trees survived quite well, confirmed by my visit, mostly an unrelenting rain event. Tour can confirm this.
Surprisingly little visible storm damage short of several dumpsters I saw in driveways full of destroyed drywall. Only impressive thing I eventually noticed was debris lodged in the bridge over the Buffalo Bayou. For those who haven't been- the part I saw is around a 20 foot wide creek in a 20+ foot deep and 100 foot wide ravine. The water came up over the bridge.
Actually Gip, most of the trees survived quite well, confirmed by my visit, mostly an unrelenting rain event. Tour can confirm this.
Surprisingly little visible storm damage short of several dumpsters I saw in driveways full of destroyed drywall. Only impressive thing I eventually noticed was debris lodged in the bridge over the Buffalo Bayou. For those who haven't been- the part I saw is around a 20 foot wide creek in a 20+ foot deep and 100 foot wide ravine. The water came up over the bridge.
And yet, again, the Browns play 3 road games in Hurricane Country in the fall.....Tampa, New Orleans, Houston.
How much does one want to bet that at least one of these game will be threatened by a Hurricane? As noted elsewhere, I may like to make the trip to NOLA...if the timing and weather are right.
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Quick trip to Galveston then.
Here's a quick trivia answer for you. Were you aware that the high water mark for the 1900 hurricane was actually lower in the Moody Mansion than Hurricane Ike in 2008?
EDIT: The Moodys actually bought it for about 1/5 it's value after the 1900 chased other bidders away. It was built in 1895.
Here's a quick trivia answer for you. Were you aware that the high water mark for the 1900 hurricane was actually lower in the Moody Mansion than Hurricane Ike in 2008?
EDIT: The Moodys actually bought it for about 1/5 it's value after the 1900 chased other bidders away. It was built in 1895.
Wow, I did spend time in Galveston, Houston, Baytown, Texas City area in 1978 for a job interview, saw some of that.....and turned down the job.
Haven't been back to Texas since the 1980s,. (And I dislike the heat.)
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Actually Gip, most of the trees survived quite well, confirmed by my visit, mostly an unrelenting rain event. Tour can confirm this.
Surprisingly little visible storm damage short of several dumpsters I saw in driveways full of destroyed drywall. Only impressive thing I eventually noticed was debris lodged in the bridge over the Buffalo Bayou. For those who haven't been- the part I saw is around a 20 foot wide creek in a 20+ foot deep and 100 foot wide ravine. The water came up over the bridge.
And yet, again, the Browns play 3 road games in Hurricane Country in the fall.....Tampa, New Orleans, Houston.
How much does one want to bet that at least one of these game will be threatened by a Hurricane? As noted elsewhere, I may like to make the trip to NOLA...if the timing and weather are right.
And yet, again, the Browns play 3 road games in Hurricane Country in the fall.....Tampa, New Orleans, Houston.
How much does one want to bet that at least one of these game will be threatened by a Hurricane? As noted elsewhere, I may like to make the trip to NOLA...if the timing and weather are right.
Odds are in your favor. I lived through Hurricane Audrey whose edge touched the area of Beaumont we lived in in 1957. Listening to large pine trees near us hit the ground really rattles your cage. Only Rita and Harvey have hit there since to the best of my knowledge.
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