Kevin Hogan Traded
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Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
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Hogan simply doesn't have the physical ability to play in the NFL... getting 10 spots in the 6th for a guy whose closest thing to sports should be as commissioner of a fantasy football league is a genius move.
Look, if he was as good as hopes and dreams asserted, he'd have more than a 1:2 TD-INT ratio -- and he'd be able to throw more than a checkdown.
Hate Drew Stanton as the QB3 all you want, and I want to do a lot of that.. but at least he isn't incompetent.
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Hogan simply doesn't have the physical ability to play in the NFL... getting 10 spots in the 6th for a guy whose closest thing to sports should be as commissioner of a fantasy football league is a genius move.
Look, if he was as good as hopes and dreams asserted, he'd have more than a 1:2 TD-INT ratio -- and he'd be able to throw more than a checkdown.
Hate Drew Stanton as the QB3 all you want, and I want to do a lot of that.. but at least he isn't incompetent.
Hate Drew Stanton as the QB3 all you want, and I want to do a lot of that.. but at least he isn't incompetent.
Stanton is there to stand by the clipboard QB and teach him everything he knows from all his years in the league. He's a coach and that's a good thing.
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Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
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I think of that scene EVERY TIME Gip's posts go on repeat...
Goodfellas you all are going to end up like Joe Pesci
Goodfellas you all are going to end up like Joe Pesci
A little Goodfellas trivia: In the movie, an unnamed Lucchese soldier whacks Tommy DeSimone (who Joe Pesci plays in the movie) in the basement of a house that DeSimone thought would be where he was being "made". The true story? A Gambino soldier whacked Tommy DeSimone in the basement of an Italian restaurant in the Bronx. The Gambino soldier's name: John Gotti.
https://nypost.com/2015/07/12/new-book-reveals-john-gottis-role-in-goodfellas-murder/
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Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
I saw a post game interview with JM this past Sat. and he talked very emotionally about getting a normal life after the craziness that he was when with Cleveland. He was happy just to be on the field again and more than willing to play in Canada for a couple of years if no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance with him again. He talked about his marriage and changing into someone who liked a real "homebody" life with her. It was the most "authentic" interview I have ever seen him give. I give him a better than 50% chance of doing well in the CFL and making it back to the NFL in 2-3 years. I didn't see the immature "kid" we saw come to Cleveland in that interview. But I did see a love of the game back in him. And a willingness to do it all differently that was real and not just some interviewing BS. The emotion was real and not "canned" for TV.
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Many people in recovery are convincing and persuasive like that.
Hopefully he will go the CFL route and prove his way back into the NFL.
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Zombo said:
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
I saw a post game interview with JM this past Sat. and he talked very emotionally about getting a normal life after the craziness that he was when with Cleveland. He was happy just to be on the field again and more than willing to play in Canada for a couple of years if no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance with him again. He talked about his marriage and changing into someone who liked a real "homebody" life with her. It was the most "authentic" interview I have ever seen him give. I give him a better than 50% chance of doing well in the CFL and making it back to the NFL in 2-3 years. I didn't see the immature "kid" we saw come to Cleveland in that interview. But I did see a love of the game back in him. And a willingness to do it all differently that was real and not just some interviewing BS. The emotion was real and not "canned" for TV.
I saw a post game interview with JM this past Sat. and he talked very emotionally about getting a normal life after the craziness that he was when with Cleveland. He was happy just to be on the field again and more than willing to play in Canada for a couple of years if no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance with him again. He talked about his marriage and changing into someone who liked a real "homebody" life with her. It was the most "authentic" interview I have ever seen him give. I give him a better than 50% chance of doing well in the CFL and making it back to the NFL in 2-3 years. I didn't see the immature "kid" we saw come to Cleveland in that interview. But I did see a love of the game back in him. And a willingness to do it all differently that was real and not just some interviewing BS. The emotion was real and not "canned" for TV.
If all that is true, and I'm not saying it's not ... Manziel doesn't have the body or physical gifts to be an NFL starter. He's still under 6 foot, 205 poinds or so, compare that to a Deshaun Watson, a similar style but 6'4 220 with more arm and better touch. I don't see Manziel making it through a 16 game schedule if he ever beat out 3 NFL QBs for a starting job, which he would never do.
Zombo
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I saw a post game interview with JM this past Sat. and he talked very emotionally about getting a normal life after the craziness that he was when with Cleveland. He was happy just to be on the field again and more than willing to play in Canada for a couple of years if no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance with him again. He talked about his marriage and changing into someone who liked a real "homebody" life with her. It was the most "authentic" interview I have ever seen him give. I give him a better than 50% chance of doing well in the CFL and making it back to the NFL in 2-3 years. I didn't see the immature "kid" we saw come to Cleveland in that interview. But I did see a love of the game back in him. And a willingness to do it all differently that was real and not just some interviewing BS. The emotion was real and not "canned" for TV.
If all that is true, and I'm not saying it's not ... Manziel doesn't have the body or physical gifts to be an NFL starter. He's still under 6 foot, 205 poinds or so, compare that to a Deshaun Watson, a similar style but 6'4 220 with more arm and better touch. I don't see Manziel making it through a 16 game schedule if he ever beat out 3 NFL QBs for a starting job, which he would never do.
Zombo
Zombo said:
If all that is true, and I'm not saying it's not ... Manziel doesn't have the body or physical gifts to be an NFL starter. He's still under 6 foot, 205 poinds or so, compare that to a Deshaun Watson, a similar style but 6'4 220 with more arm and better touch. I don't see Manziel making it through a 16 game schedule if he ever beat out 3 NFL QBs for a starting job, which he would never do.
Zombo
It would require the learning disciple of a Drew Brees. He's a long way from that, but as a person he appears to be serious about both sobriety and maintaining mental health. There's a tough learning curve for that as well, but I'm just hearing what I would be listening for as a counselor regardless of talent. He may end up staying in the CFL for less $$, but be happier as a person in the long run. I'm thinking of going to see him play this sat. since the stadium the Spring league is using is just down the road about 10 miles or so. Maybe I can get him to sign my primo Manziel Browns jersey for my grandson.
EDIT: I think the one coach that would be interested enough to pick him up after some successful time in the CFL would be John Gruden. I think he likes him as a player and a person. But like any NFL coach he will need to see a track record on Johnny Sober Football.
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Trading Hogan was the only thing we could next to cutting him. Hogan asked for the ability to work a trade. It sounded then like his agent already had a buyer. Moving up 16 slots in whatever round it was was a good deal.
We just signed TT to start. We just signed Stanton to back-up and be the mentor for whoever we draft at 1 or 4. No way we were going to keep 4 QBs. I like Hogan. I felt we should have been playing him over Flattop, it is what it is. I knew since we signed Stanton that Hogan was toast.
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Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
I've watched a lot of bad QBs, but those 2 games really stood out to me as the worst I've seen, right alongside several DA games.
John is a capable QB, certainly gifted enough to be a backup, but he's a dickhead.
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Zombo said:
Ya, Hogan blew, any reason to throw Hoyer under the bus with him? Personal vendetta? Hoyer is a backup. There is room in the NFL for guys like that. Unlike ... Johnny?
Zombo
I've watched a lot of bad QBs, but those 2 games really stood out to me as the worst I've seen, right alongside several DA games.
John is a capable QB, certainly gifted enough to be a backup, but he's a dickhead.
I've watched a lot of bad QBs, but those 2 games really stood out to me as the worst I've seen, right alongside several DA games.
John is a capable QB, certainly gifted enough to be a backup, but he's a dickhead.
Those were indeed doosies.
As far as worst ever games that I have seen a QB play a couple that stand out are Warren Moon going into the Dawgpound in 1986: 5-23 68 yards o TD 4 Ints and Jeff Garcia, who posted a zero QB rating for one of his first starts for us against Dallas.
I remember Scott Mitchell actually winning a game for the Bengals without completing a pass, Corey Dillon rushed for 270 or something.
I didn't see the Buffalo rookie throw 5 Ints in one half last year, but the "Highlights" were outstanding.
Zombo
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I've watched a lot of bad QBs, but those 2 games really stood out to me as the worst I've seen, right alongside several DA games.
John is a capable QB, certainly gifted enough to be a backup, but he's a dickhead.
Those were indeed doosies.
As far as worst ever games that I have seen a QB play a couple that stand out are Warren Moon going into the Dawgpound in 1986: 5-23 68 yards o TD 4 Ints and Jeff Garcia, who posted a zero QB rating for one of his first starts for us against Dallas.
I remember Scott Mitchell actually winning a game for the Bengals without completing a pass, Corey Dillon rushed for 270 or something.
I didn't see the Buffalo rookie throw 5 Ints in one half last year, but the "Highlights" were outstanding.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Those were indeed doosies.
As far as worst ever games that I have seen a QB play a couple that stand out are Warren Moon going into the Dawgpound in 1986: 5-23 68 yards o TD 4 Ints and Jeff Garcia, who posted a zero QB rating for one of his first starts for us against Dallas.
I remember Scott Mitchell actually winning a game for the Bengals without completing a pass, Corey Dillon rushed for 270 or something.
I didn't see the Buffalo rookie throw 5 Ints in one half last year, but the "Highlights" were outstanding.
Zombo
Didn't the Browns beat the Bills under Mangini with either Anderson or Quinn passing for 50 yards or something ridiculous like that?
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Zombo said:
Those were indeed doosies.
As far as worst ever games that I have seen a QB play a couple that stand out are Warren Moon going into the Dawgpound in 1986: 5-23 68 yards o TD 4 Ints and Jeff Garcia, who posted a zero QB rating for one of his first starts for us against Dallas.
I remember Scott Mitchell actually winning a game for the Bengals without completing a pass, Corey Dillon rushed for 270 or something.
I didn't see the Buffalo rookie throw 5 Ints in one half last year, but the "Highlights" were outstanding.
Zombo
Didn't the Browns beat the Bills under Mangini with either Anderson or Quinn passing for 50 yards or something ridiculous like that?
Didn't the Browns beat the Bills under Mangini with either Anderson or Quinn passing for 50 yards or something ridiculous like that?
I remember a game we won in the snow, 8-0, Anderson steered us in to FG range for Phil Dawson to set up his big kicks.
Z
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Kevin Hogan's start against Houston was one of the worst I have ever seen, closely behind Brian Hoyer's playoff start for the Texans vs. Kansas City. Both are awful, toilet-bowl quality NFL quarterbacks.
Basically, the Redskins "surrendered" 17 draft slots in a round that doesn't matter for the chance to cut Hogan after using his arm during camp.
Starting Hogan instead of Kizer probably would have ended equally as terrible and equally as pointless as trotting Kizer out there every week--but in hindsight, at least one team valued Kizer enough to trade a decent defensive back for him. Hogan was worth a bag of rocks. Kizer at least has a potential opportunity to play in the NFL again... Hogan? Lol, maybe if he's lucky.
John Dorsey has passed on Kevin Hogan twice after drafting him. Even the guy whose job it is to evaluate QBs, who used an actual pick on him, has now said two times that he made a mistake. But I guess a guy named Flugel who's forum warrior caping for him is the guy everyone should listen to.
Or maybe not.
And Hi.
And Hi.
What up, Mike! Who is your QB in this draft class?
I saw a post game interview with JM this past Sat. and he talked very emotionally about getting a normal life after the craziness that he was when with Cleveland. He was happy just to be on the field again and more than willing to play in Canada for a couple of years if no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance with him again. He talked about his marriage and changing into someone who liked a real "homebody" life with her. It was the most "authentic" interview I have ever seen him give. I give him a better than 50% chance of doing well in the CFL and making it back to the NFL in 2-3 years. I didn't see the immature "kid" we saw come to Cleveland in that interview. But I did see a love of the game back in him. And a willingness to do it all differently that was real and not just some interviewing BS. The emotion was real and not "canned" for TV.
Fool me once, shame on Ag...
Fool me twice, shame on Ag...
So basically it's shame on Ag...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And Hi.
What up, Mike! Who is your QB in this draft class?
I saw a post game interview with JM this past Sat. and he talked very emotionally about getting a normal life after the craziness that he was when with Cleveland. He was happy just to be on the field again and more than willing to play in Canada for a couple of years if no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance with him again. He talked about his marriage and changing into someone who liked a real "homebody" life with her. It was the most "authentic" interview I have ever seen him give. I give him a better than 50% chance of doing well in the CFL and making it back to the NFL in 2-3 years. I didn't see the immature "kid" we saw come to Cleveland in that interview. But I did see a love of the game back in him. And a willingness to do it all differently that was real and not just some interviewing BS. The emotion was real and not "canned" for TV.
Fool me once, shame on Ag...
Fool me twice, shame on Ag...
So basically it's shame on Ag...
What up, Mike! Who is your QB in this draft class?
Fool me once, shame on Ag...
Fool me twice, shame on Ag...
So basically it's shame on Ag...
I may have some choice land for sale in Puerto Rico for you soon Tour. Ocean views since the trees are all down.
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I may have some choice land for sale in Puerto Rico for you soon Tour. Ocean views since the trees are all down.
He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
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I may have some choice land for sale in Puerto Rico for you soon Tour. Ocean views since the trees are all down.
He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
But you can't see the ocean through the smog and mosquitoes in Houston.🥷
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He doesn't need to go to PR......the hurricane last year knocked down all the trees in Houston.
But you can't see the ocean through the smog and mosquitoes in Houston.🥷
But you can't see the ocean through the smog and mosquitoes in Houston.🥷
Quick trip to Galveston then.
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But you can't see the ocean through the smog and mosquitoes in Houston.🥷
Quick trip to Galveston then.
Quick trip to Galveston then.
If by quick trip you mean a 5-hour drive...
I haven't lived in the Houston area since 2005.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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