From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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This thread just gets better and better.
This thread just gets better and better.
It's literally the Parthenon of Stupidity now.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
Apocalyptic? What happens when one goes apocalyptic? I mean, does like your brain explode?
Well some people get all......
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This thread just gets better and better.
It's literally the Parthenon of Stupidity now.
It's literally the Parthenon of Stupidity now.
Well, part of the Mod job is to 1\2 keep the inmates in line. It gets frustrating at times... You just keep pitching- and someone refuses to get the point. Compared to every other forum I've spent time on we're about 5X more BS tolerant here.
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Why am I thinking it is one of the Mad Max movies?
No idea...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Why am I thinking it is one of the Mad Max movies?
No idea...
No idea...
Ahh....Master and Commander. Loved that movie. I thought Russell Crowe should have made more of them. I know he hates to do serial type roles...do not believe he ever has reprised a role....but if there is one where he should...it is Captain Jack Aubrey.
I think he could still do another one...if he hasn't gotten too out of shape. I mean....what has he done lately?
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No idea...
Ahh....Master and Commander. Loved that movie. I thought Russell Crowe should have made more of them. I know he hates to do serial type roles...do not believe he ever has reprised a role....but if there is one where he should...it is Captain Jack Aubrey.
I think he could still do another one...if he hasn't gotten too out of shape. I mean....what has he done lately?
what has he done lately?
The Nice Guys was pretty funny.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
what has he done lately?
The Nice Guys was pretty funny.
The Nice Guys was pretty funny.
I guess he has been busy......just not much noteworthy of late. Not like earlier in his career:
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Fresh article... old perpsective... excerpts below. For full article use the link.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/4/11/17224760/josh-allen-cleveland-browns-analytics-nfl-draft
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Drafting Josh Allen Would End the Browns’ Analytics Era
The numbers indicate that the quarterback shouldn’t be taken anywhere near the top pick, but that hasn’t quieted the Allen-to-Cleveland talk
By Riley McAtee Apr 11, 2018, 12:00pm EDTAllen is the embodiment of an old-fashioned, “stats are for losers” approach to evaluating prospects. While draftniks like Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper Jr. rave about Allen’s prototypical size, arm strength, and raw potential, Allen’s production in college gives no indication that he will be a franchise quarterback in the pros. As far as statistical models go, there isn’t a single one that projects Allen as even a first-round pick, much less the top overall player in the draft. And it’s not just his much-maligned completion percentage—let’s take a look under the hood.Comparing 2018 QB Prospects
Player QBASE DYAR Projection Rosen-Olbrecht PFF "NFL Throws" Bill Connelly Success Rate IQR Final-Year QBR Passing S&P+ Baker Mayfield 1st 3rd 2nd 1st 1st 1st 1st Sam Darnold 4th 1st 1st 2nd 6th 4th 2nd Josh Rosen 3rd 2nd 4th 6th 5th 5th 5th Mason Rudolph 5th 6th 3rd 3rd 2nd 3rd 4th Lamar Jackson 2nd 5th 6th 5th 4th 2nd 3rd Luke Falk 6th 7th N/A 4th 3rd 6th 6th Josh Allen 7th 4th 5th 7th 7th 7th 7th And to be fair to Allen, while the advanced stats don’t look great, no one can say for sure whether he’ll pan out or be a bust. Stats may not be for losers, but no one would argue that numbers alone make an NFL quarterback. If Allen can piece together his immense talent, he could be the next Brett Favre. If not, he’ll be the next Jake Locker. But in order to draft him no. 1 overall, the Browns would have to ignore every statistical analysis imaginable. As far as analytics go, it’d be the end of the Process in Cleveland.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Fresh article... old perpsective... excerpts below. For full article use the link.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/4/11/17224760/josh-allen-cleveland-browns-analytics-nfl-draft
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Drafting Josh Allen Would End the Browns’ Analytics Era
The numbers indicate that the quarterback shouldn’t be taken anywhere near the top pick, but that hasn’t quieted the Allen-to-Cleveland talk
By Riley McAtee Apr 11, 2018, 12:00pm EDTAllen is the embodiment of an old-fashioned, “stats are for losers” approach to evaluating prospects. While draftniks like Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper Jr. rave about Allen’s prototypical size, arm strength, and raw potential, Allen’s production in college gives no indication that he will be a franchise quarterback in the pros. As far as statistical models go, there isn’t a single one that projects Allen as even a first-round pick, much less the top overall player in the draft. And it’s not just his much-maligned completion percentage—let’s take a look under the hood.Comparing 2018 QB Prospects
Player QBASE DYAR Projection Rosen-Olbrecht PFF "NFL Throws" Bill Connelly Success Rate IQR Final-Year QBR Passing S&P+ Baker Mayfield 1st 3rd 2nd 1st 1st 1st 1st Sam Darnold 4th 1st 1st 2nd 6th 4th 2nd Josh Rosen 3rd 2nd 4th 6th 5th 5th 5th Mason Rudolph 5th 6th 3rd 3rd 2nd 3rd 4th Lamar Jackson 2nd 5th 6th 5th 4th 2nd 3rd Luke Falk 6th 7th N/A 4th 3rd 6th 6th Josh Allen 7th 4th 5th 7th 7th 7th 7th And to be fair to Allen, while the advanced stats don’t look great, no one can say for sure whether he’ll pan out or be a bust. Stats may not be for losers, but no one would argue that numbers alone make an NFL quarterback. If Allen can piece together his immense talent, he could be the next Brett Favre. If not, he’ll be the next Jake Locker. But in order to draft him no. 1 overall, the Browns would have to ignore every statistical analysis imaginable. As far as analytics go, it’d be the end of the Process in Cleveland.
And to be fair to Allen, while the advanced stats don’t look great, no one can say for sure whether he’ll pan out or be a bust. Stats may not be for losers, but no one would argue that numbers alone make an NFL quarterback. If Allen can piece together his immense talent, he could be the next Brett Favre. If not, he’ll be the next Jake Locker. But in order to draft him no. 1 overall, the Browns would have to ignore every statistical analysis imaginable. As far as analytics go, it’d be the end of the Process in Cleveland.
I sure hope the guys in Berea are looking past the rocket launcher arm. The article had the stat I was interested in seeing. Josh broke the 60 mph barrier at the combine posting a record 62, as Palmer predicted he would...
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Just a random thought, but since it is lying season, what are the chances that the Browns don't have Allen and Darnold at #1 on their board? What if they really love Mayfield (as reported earlier in the process of the draft), and know they can get him with at least the third pick? What are the chances they are baiting the Giants, Jets, and Bills into trading for that #1 pick? What if they tell the Jets they are willing to part with #1 for Leonard Williams? A 2nd rounder from the Giants? Make both trades?
It just seems odd, that as tight lipped as they have been about the FA moves, nobody had them pegged for any of the deals they made, that all of a sudden there is a lot of steam for Darnold and Allen. That has been one thing about this front office is there have been very few leaks. Maybe I am reading into this too much. Maybe I'm just that worried of Allen being a gigantic bust.
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I was listening to Palmer today and he was talking about how Kyle Allen (A&M then Houston) had been underutilized in college first at A&M then when the Houston coach switched to Texas and the new one relied more on a running game. He has been coaching him along with Darnold & Rosen and felt he would be a good pick up by some team in a later round as a very good developmental QB. He's followed him since Jr. high and thinks he was just never given a real legitimate shot in college, but has an arm as good as the other two.
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Don't know if posted yet but BR thinks the Browns would be making a very big mistake with Allen.
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Don't know if posted yet but BR thinks the Browns would be making a very big mistake with Allen.
Don't know if posted yet but BR thinks the Browns would be making a very big mistake with Allen.
interesting read. really gets the ol' noggin joggin' about drafting a QB in the first and trying to pick up Mason Rudolph in a later round, as he is a decent "stats" QB. I am really hoping for Mayfield at #1 but would be OK with Darnold or Rosen, any other than those 3 at #1 and I will have a pout but still continue to follow this team for reasons unknown. To me, Allen would be a waste of a #1 pick because the Browns aren't known for their ability to coach QBs. This would be another Deshone Kizer, someone who has talent but needs coaching and the Browns are not the team for that. Allen seems like another Brandon Weeden type, where he'll occasionally have a great deep throw but it won't be enough to overcome the panicky decision-making and inaccuracy.
Just a random thought, but since it is lying season, what are the chances that the Browns don't have Allen and Darnold at #1 on their board? What if they really love Mayfield (as reported earlier in the process of the draft), and know they can get him with at least the third pick? What are the chances they are baiting the Giants, Jets, and Bills into trading for that #1 pick? What if they tell the Jets they are willing to part with #1 for Leonard Williams? A 2nd rounder from the Giants? Make both trades?
It just seems odd, that as tight lipped as they have been about the FA moves, nobody had them pegged for any of the deals they made, that all of a sudden there is a lot of steam for Darnold and Allen. That has been one thing about this front office is there have been very few leaks. Maybe I am reading into this too much. Maybe I'm just that worried of Allen being a gigantic bust.
This could be exactly what the Browns are doing; keeping everyone guessing to drive up the value of their picks. I seriously hope they don't trade out of #1 though, the only way to 100% guarantee they get the QB they want is to draft at #1. Gambling and hoping the team you trade with doesn't take your favorite QB is too much of a risk for a team that's been without franchise QB since 1999.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/04/is_all_the_josh_allen_to_the_b.html
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