NFL Exec says THIS scenario where Browns trade out of one isn’t crazy
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if she is the whore that i think she is then who cares as long as i get mine
Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
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Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
If you tell a guy, “Hey, we’re taking you #1. Don’t work out for any teams, just lay low.” The kid is going to listen. He’s going to start on a good foot with his new team. Why would he waste time doing pointless workouts with teams he won’t be with? Doesn’t make sense.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
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Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
If you tell a guy, “Hey, we’re taking you #1. Don’t work out for any teams, just lay low.” The kid is going to listen. He’s going to start on a good foot with his new team. Why would he waste time doing pointless workouts with teams he won’t be with? Doesn’t make sense.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
If you tell a guy, “Hey, we’re taking you #1. Don’t work out for any teams, just lay low.” The kid is going to listen. He’s going to start on a good foot with his new team. Why would he waste time doing pointless workouts with teams he won’t be with? Doesn’t make sense.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
Don't you think that if that was a thing, the Browns could tell 7 different prospects "we are taking you #1" just so other teams don't have private workouts with them? That would favor the #4 pick by the Browns.
If you cannot guarantee something, you don't make a deal. And you cannot guarantee #1pick to any prospect.
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Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
If you tell a guy, “Hey, we’re taking you #1. Don’t work out for any teams, just lay low.” The kid is going to listen. He’s going to start on a good foot with his new team. Why would he waste time doing pointless workouts with teams he won’t be with? Doesn’t make sense.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
I'll interject this as one of old the old guys- way back then, ACLs just got referred to as "trick knees" you can walk- or even play on them. Granted nowhere near as common. Brings me to my point regarding weight training. Torn pectoral muscles were unheard of back in the '60s. Muscle strength exceeds insertion point.
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If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
I'll interject this as one of old the old guys- way back then, ACLs just got referred to as "trick knees" you can walk- or even play on them. Granted nowhere near as common. Brings me to my point regarding weight training. Torn pectoral muscles were unheard of back in the '60s. Muscle strength exceeds insertion point.
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Zombo said:
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
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Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
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Not sure the browns would just say screw it and draft Chubb #1. They know the value of these qb's and if they really are willing to put the fate of their qb in other teams hands, they are going to trade down with either the Jets or the Broncos. Besides, it would ABSOLUTELY astound me if they don't have a consensus by the time the draft rolls around. Sure, there maybe a handful of guys in the scouting room who like qb x vs qb y, but that's always going to happen in a draft where there are 4 legit prospects all with question marks. But if it is 1a and 1b, then the browns will make a decision.
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In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
Zombo said:
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
I just don't see it.
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Zombo said:
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
I just don't see it.
I just don't see it.
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
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I just don't see it.
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
I like the kid, and wouldn't be surprised if he's a good NFL player.
I don't like taking RBs this high in the Draft because:
1. RBs have the shortest shelf life
2. Very good RBs are consistently found in lower rounds
3. Many teams have adopted a platoon-style attitude towards their RBs (spread the carries to 2 or 3 guys instead of having one workhorse)
To me, a RB at #1 or #4 is a bad investment.
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No way. Dorsey will get run out of town
Dorsey is not choosing the QB. Hue is. Hue loves Black Lamarkenton.
All he has to do is team with DePud, convince Haslam that Lamar is jst as good, that he fits Hue's offense, that we will have a lower salary burden and more picks. EASY SELL with a cheap owner. The Browns trading out of #1 is NOT even a stretch.
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I just don't see it.
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
I just like the SEC backs Guice and Michel better. They are used to the hard runs through the trenches of NFL Jr. I see them as better all around players that it takes more than a shoestring to stop them. That below 5 ypc average for Barkley with all those long runs does not bode well for the speed of the NFL defenses. Something I just don't trust about not having a higher average with so many long run highlights. Tells me he is not the guy to get the 3-4 yd gains before those bursts.
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Zombo said:
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
I just like the SEC backs Guice and Michel better. They are used to the hard runs through the trenches of NFL Jr. I see them as better all around players that it takes more than a shoestring to stop them. That below 5 ypc average for Barkley with all those long runs does not bode well for the speed of the NFL defenses. Something I just don't trust about not having a higher average with so many long run highlights. Tells me he is not the guy to get the 3-4 yd gains before those bursts.
I just like the SEC backs Guice and Michel better. They are used to the hard runs through the trenches of NFL Jr. I see them as better all around players that it takes more than a shoestring to stop them. That below 5 ypc average for Barkley with all those long runs does not bode well for the speed of the NFL defenses. Something I just don't trust about not having a higher average with so many long run highlights. Tells me he is not the guy to get the 3-4 yd gains before those bursts.
Don't want to turn this into another Barkley thread ... BUT ... he never averaged below 5 ypc in any season ... 5.9 last year. Guice 5.3 last year.
He also caught 54 passes for 632 yards for 11.7 ypc ... Gice caught just 18 passes for 6.9 ypc ... so do you want at look at yards per touch too?
Sure, he was only in the Big Ten, and not the "NFL Jr." (LOL) but somehow guys like Leveon Bell and Ezekial Elliot were able to turn that Big Ten Burst into a salvageable NFL career.
He scored 23 TDs last year. He can run, catch, block ... do it all ... ala Ladanian Tomlinson.
But Tomlinson never won a super bowl and teams find great running backs in the later rounds all the time (we haven't) so let's pass on this exciting playmaker and draft a "perfectly good" running back later.
Zombo
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I just like the SEC backs Guice and Michel better. They are used to the hard runs through the trenches of NFL Jr. I see them as better all around players that it takes more than a shoestring to stop them. That below 5 ypc average for Barkley with all those long runs does not bode well for the speed of the NFL defenses. Something I just don't trust about not having a higher average with so many long run highlights. Tells me he is not the guy to get the 3-4 yd gains before those bursts.
Don't want to turn this into another Barkley thread ... BUT ... he never averaged below 5 ypc in any season ... 5.9 last year. Guice 5.3 last year.
He also caught 54 passes for 632 yards for 11.7 ypc ... Gice caught just 18 passes for 6.9 ypc ... so do you want at look at yards per touch too?
Sure, he was only in the Big Ten, and not the "NFL Jr." (LOL) but somehow guys like Leveon Bell and Ezekial Elliot were able to turn that Big Ten Burst into a salvageable NFL career.
He scored 23 TDs last year. He can run, catch, block ... do it all ... ala Ladanian Tomlinson.
But Tomlinson never won a super bowl and teams find great running backs in the later rounds all the time (we haven't) so let's pass on this exciting playmaker and draft a "perfectly good" running back later.
Zombo
Zombo said:
But Tomlinson never won a super bowl and teams find great running backs in the later rounds all the time (we haven't) so let's pass on this exciting playmaker and draft a "perfectly good" running back later.
Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
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Zombo said:
But Tomlinson never won a super bowl and teams find great running backs in the later rounds all the time (we haven't) so let's pass on this exciting playmaker and draft a "perfectly good" running back later.
Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
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Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
Zombo said:
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
Eh, if they take him with the #4 pick, I won't yell and scream about it.
That being said, I'd prefer the Browns use one of the their 2nd rounders on a RB and use the #4 on Fitzpatrick, Chubb, etc...
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No. I hate it.
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Michel had 7.9 ypc and can be taken late 1st early 2nd. Take Chubb. The defense needs him more than the offense needs Barkley.
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Path to the Draft (NFL Network) guys were all joking about the silly season being in full force with the Browns right now so that none of them knew who the Browns really wanted @ 1 & 4, or whether they might trade down even a little bit with either one.
This the best draft ever to just STAY PUT...
We have the pick of the litter of a QB-rich draft at #1. (we didn't clear the QB room and trade for a one year veteran to "see who's available at 4")
I assume Giants are going QB or trading out with someone going QB ... so it goes QB1 QB2 QB3 ...
We get the BPA at #4.
Who gets the top QB prospect and the top all-around prospect in the same year? We do.
Zombo
Zombo said:
This the best draft ever to just STAY PUT...
We have the pick of the litter of a QB-rich draft at #1. (we didn't clear the QB room and trade for a one year veteran to "see who's available at 4")
I assume Giants are going QB or trading out with someone going QB ... so it goes QB1 QB2 QB3 ...
We get the BPA at #4.
Who gets the top QB prospect and the top all-around prospect in the same year? We do.
Zombo
Not likely. Look for the Browns to trade down and take Black Lamarkenton, and another fatass OL.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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