NFL Exec says THIS scenario where Browns trade out of one isn’t crazy
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Zombo said:
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
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Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
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Not sure the browns would just say screw it and draft Chubb #1. They know the value of these qb's and if they really are willing to put the fate of their qb in other teams hands, they are going to trade down with either the Jets or the Broncos. Besides, it would ABSOLUTELY astound me if they don't have a consensus by the time the draft rolls around. Sure, there maybe a handful of guys in the scouting room who like qb x vs qb y, but that's always going to happen in a draft where there are 4 legit prospects all with question marks. But if it is 1a and 1b, then the browns will make a decision.
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In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
Zombo said:
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
I just don't see it.
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Zombo said:
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
I just don't see it.
I just don't see it.
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
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I just don't see it.
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
I like the kid, and wouldn't be surprised if he's a good NFL player.
I don't like taking RBs this high in the Draft because:
1. RBs have the shortest shelf life
2. Very good RBs are consistently found in lower rounds
3. Many teams have adopted a platoon-style attitude towards their RBs (spread the carries to 2 or 3 guys instead of having one workhorse)
To me, a RB at #1 or #4 is a bad investment.
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No way. Dorsey will get run out of town
Dorsey is not choosing the QB. Hue is. Hue loves Black Lamarkenton.
All he has to do is team with DePud, convince Haslam that Lamar is jst as good, that he fits Hue's offense, that we will have a lower salary burden and more picks. EASY SELL with a cheap owner. The Browns trading out of #1 is NOT even a stretch.
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I just don't see it.
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
I just like the SEC backs Guice and Michel better. They are used to the hard runs through the trenches of NFL Jr. I see them as better all around players that it takes more than a shoestring to stop them. That below 5 ypc average for Barkley with all those long runs does not bode well for the speed of the NFL defenses. Something I just don't trust about not having a higher average with so many long run highlights. Tells me he is not the guy to get the 3-4 yd gains before those bursts.
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Zombo said:
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
I just like the SEC backs Guice and Michel better. They are used to the hard runs through the trenches of NFL Jr. I see them as better all around players that it takes more than a shoestring to stop them. That below 5 ypc average for Barkley with all those long runs does not bode well for the speed of the NFL defenses. Something I just don't trust about not having a higher average with so many long run highlights. Tells me he is not the guy to get the 3-4 yd gains before those bursts.
I just like the SEC backs Guice and Michel better. They are used to the hard runs through the trenches of NFL Jr. I see them as better all around players that it takes more than a shoestring to stop them. That below 5 ypc average for Barkley with all those long runs does not bode well for the speed of the NFL defenses. Something I just don't trust about not having a higher average with so many long run highlights. Tells me he is not the guy to get the 3-4 yd gains before those bursts.
Don't want to turn this into another Barkley thread ... BUT ... he never averaged below 5 ypc in any season ... 5.9 last year. Guice 5.3 last year.
He also caught 54 passes for 632 yards for 11.7 ypc ... Gice caught just 18 passes for 6.9 ypc ... so do you want at look at yards per touch too?
Sure, he was only in the Big Ten, and not the "NFL Jr." (LOL) but somehow guys like Leveon Bell and Ezekial Elliot were able to turn that Big Ten Burst into a salvageable NFL career.
He scored 23 TDs last year. He can run, catch, block ... do it all ... ala Ladanian Tomlinson.
But Tomlinson never won a super bowl and teams find great running backs in the later rounds all the time (we haven't) so let's pass on this exciting playmaker and draft a "perfectly good" running back later.
Zombo
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I just like the SEC backs Guice and Michel better. They are used to the hard runs through the trenches of NFL Jr. I see them as better all around players that it takes more than a shoestring to stop them. That below 5 ypc average for Barkley with all those long runs does not bode well for the speed of the NFL defenses. Something I just don't trust about not having a higher average with so many long run highlights. Tells me he is not the guy to get the 3-4 yd gains before those bursts.
Don't want to turn this into another Barkley thread ... BUT ... he never averaged below 5 ypc in any season ... 5.9 last year. Guice 5.3 last year.
He also caught 54 passes for 632 yards for 11.7 ypc ... Gice caught just 18 passes for 6.9 ypc ... so do you want at look at yards per touch too?
Sure, he was only in the Big Ten, and not the "NFL Jr." (LOL) but somehow guys like Leveon Bell and Ezekial Elliot were able to turn that Big Ten Burst into a salvageable NFL career.
He scored 23 TDs last year. He can run, catch, block ... do it all ... ala Ladanian Tomlinson.
But Tomlinson never won a super bowl and teams find great running backs in the later rounds all the time (we haven't) so let's pass on this exciting playmaker and draft a "perfectly good" running back later.
Zombo
Zombo said:
But Tomlinson never won a super bowl and teams find great running backs in the later rounds all the time (we haven't) so let's pass on this exciting playmaker and draft a "perfectly good" running back later.
Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
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Zombo said:
But Tomlinson never won a super bowl and teams find great running backs in the later rounds all the time (we haven't) so let's pass on this exciting playmaker and draft a "perfectly good" running back later.
Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
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Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
Zombo said:
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
Eh, if they take him with the #4 pick, I won't yell and scream about it.
That being said, I'd prefer the Browns use one of the their 2nd rounders on a RB and use the #4 on Fitzpatrick, Chubb, etc...
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No. I hate it.
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Michel had 7.9 ypc and can be taken late 1st early 2nd. Take Chubb. The defense needs him more than the offense needs Barkley.
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Path to the Draft (NFL Network) guys were all joking about the silly season being in full force with the Browns right now so that none of them knew who the Browns really wanted @ 1 & 4, or whether they might trade down even a little bit with either one.
This the best draft ever to just STAY PUT...
We have the pick of the litter of a QB-rich draft at #1. (we didn't clear the QB room and trade for a one year veteran to "see who's available at 4")
I assume Giants are going QB or trading out with someone going QB ... so it goes QB1 QB2 QB3 ...
We get the BPA at #4.
Who gets the top QB prospect and the top all-around prospect in the same year? We do.
Zombo
Zombo said:
This the best draft ever to just STAY PUT...
We have the pick of the litter of a QB-rich draft at #1. (we didn't clear the QB room and trade for a one year veteran to "see who's available at 4")
I assume Giants are going QB or trading out with someone going QB ... so it goes QB1 QB2 QB3 ...
We get the BPA at #4.
Who gets the top QB prospect and the top all-around prospect in the same year? We do.
Zombo
Not likely. Look for the Browns to trade down and take Black Lamarkenton, and another fatass OL.
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Zombo said:
This the best draft ever to just STAY PUT...
We have the pick of the litter of a QB-rich draft at #1. (we didn't clear the QB room and trade for a one year veteran to "see who's available at 4")
I assume Giants are going QB or trading out with someone going QB ... so it goes QB1 QB2 QB3 ...
We get the BPA at #4.
Who gets the top QB prospect and the top all-around prospect in the same year? We do.
Zombo
Not likely. Look for the Browns to trade down and take Black Lamarkenton, and another fatass OL.
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Zombo said:
This the best draft ever to just STAY PUT...
We have the pick of the litter of a QB-rich draft at #1. (we didn't clear the QB room and trade for a one year veteran to "see who's available at 4")
I assume Giants are going QB or trading out with someone going QB ... so it goes QB1 QB2 QB3 ...
We get the BPA at #4.
Who gets the top QB prospect and the top all-around prospect in the same year? We do.
Zombo
Not likely. Look for the Browns to trade down and take Black Lamarkenton, and another fatass OL.
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I just don't see it.
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
So basically you've missed a lot of great RB prospects?
Both your comps trucked defenders in college... DBs and LBs. Don't see that from Barky... at most see him run thru arm-tackles... usually by DBs.
Plus if he turned out to be Alexander...
For me even if the talent is undeniable (debateable), the positional value is not there and the fall off to the next best options is not that great. The latter amplified by the platoon-ibility of the position.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
Zombo said:
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
Someone is ....as the English say it: Barking (Barkling) Mad. I am getting a TRII vibe from him.
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Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
Zombo said:
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
To me it is as much about priorities. RB is not a huge priority for the Browns at this point...imo....such that we can bypass other....perhaps as good or better players...at positions of greater need and/or impact. We have a Mr. Inside and a Mr. Outside. Hyde and Duke. I tell you from what I recall Carlos Hyde had as good or better college career as did Barkley.
Of course, we will take the QB.....but beyond that I see a DB or a DL as being something that we can use more. I would not mind having Barkley...and if we get him I hope he is the second coming of Leroy Kelly (no one should be so foolish to say the second coming of Jim Brown)....but if we had another major stud DL (I want our own version of the Fearsome Foursome)....or another Ronnie Lott or Deion Sanders......it would serve us better.
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Carlos Hyde College stats:
Rushing & Receiving
Rushing Receiving Scrimmage Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD Career Ohio State 523 3198 6.1 37 34 271 8.0 4 557 3469 6.2 41 *2010 Ohio State Big Ten FR RB 7 24 141 5.9 0 24 141 5.9 0 *2011 Ohio State Big Ten SO RB 13 106 566 5.3 6 10 73 7.3 0 116 639 5.5 6 2012 Ohio State Big Ten JR RB 10 185 970 5.2 16 8 51 6.4 1 193 1021 5.3 17 *2013 Ohio State Big Ten SR RB 11 208 1521 7.3 15 16 147 9.2 3 224 1668 7.4 18 Saquon Barkley college stats
Rushing & Receiving
Rushing Receiving Scrimmage Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD Career Penn State 671 3843 5.7 43 102 1195 11.7 8 773 5038 6.5 51 *2015 Penn State Big Ten FR RB 11 182 1076 5.9 7 20 161 8.1 1 202 1237 6.1 8 *2016 Penn State Big Ten SO RB 14 272 1496 5.5 18 28 402 14.4 4 300 1898 6.3 22 *2017 Penn State Big Ten JR RB 13 217 1271 5.9 18 54 632 11.7 3 271 1903 7.0 21
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