From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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Did someone say Baker Mayfield?????????
I'll keep those barf emojis in mind if we draft Allen.
I’ll take QB A.
Yes, I get it, Allen has prototypical size and ++ arm strength. The perfect guy to have on your roster with time running out able to launch a Hail Mary from your own 25 yard line. Let's just overlook the - - in the accuracy department.
If Allen was 65% in the completion department he'd be the consensus #1. OTOH- the guy you're hating on, Baker Mayfield would be the consensus #1 if he was 2" taller.
I'll keep those barf emojis in mind if we draft Allen.
Yes, I get it, Allen has prototypical size and ++ arm strength. The perfect guy to have on your roster with time running out able to launch a Hail Mary from your own 25 yard line. Let's just overlook the - - in the accuracy department.
If Allen was 65% in the completion department he'd be the consensus #1. OTOH- the guy you're hating on, Baker Mayfield would be the consensus #1 if he was 2" taller.
That was my original argument for Mayfield and against Allen.
Now I’m flip flopping it. You can improve accuracy, depending on the circumstances. You can’t get taller.
Im a Rosen guy first and foremost. I’m a Darnold guy second and...soremost? Allen is my penultimate prospect of the top 5 TBH.
But at this point, I’m fine with taking Allen if that’s the QB Dorsey wants the most and if he legitimately gets the Rodgers treatment.
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I’ve never really imagined a scenario where we take Allen but after the commitment to Landry today there’s no way on earth this is happening now.
Drafting Josh Allen and his big arm just after paying all that money to a WR that catches short passes would be a sackable offence.
I’ve never really imagined a scenario where we take Allen but after the commitment to Landry today there’s no way on earth this is happening now.
Drafting Josh Allen and his big arm just after paying all that money to a WR that catches short passes would be a sackable offence.
Signing a top ten receiver has no impact on what QB we’re going to take in the draft. None whatsoever.
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I'll keep those barf emojis in mind if we draft Allen.
Yes, I get it, Allen has prototypical size and ++ arm strength. The perfect guy to have on your roster with time running out able to launch a Hail Mary from your own 25 yard line. Let's just overlook the - - in the accuracy department.
If Allen was 65% in the completion department he'd be the consensus #1. OTOH- the guy you're hating on, Baker Mayfield would be the consensus #1 if he was 2" taller.
That was my original argument for Mayfield and against Allen.
Now I’m flip flopping it. You can improve accuracy, depending on the circumstances. You can’t get taller.
Im a Rosen guy first and foremost. I’m a Darnold guy second and...soremost? Allen is my penultimate prospect of the top 5 TBH.
But at this point, I’m fine with taking Allen if that’s the QB Dorsey wants the most and if he legitimately gets the Rodgers treatment.
That was my original argument for Mayfield and against Allen.
Now I’m flip flopping it. You can improve accuracy, depending on the circumstances. You can’t get taller.
Im a Rosen guy first and foremost. I’m a Darnold guy second and...soremost? Allen is my penultimate prospect of the top 5 TBH.
But at this point, I’m fine with taking Allen if that’s the QB Dorsey wants the most and if he legitimately gets the Rodgers treatment.
Like we'll have a choice in who the Browns draft.
My order now is Darnold- Mayfield- Rosen, and hell no to Allen or Jackson. Should Dorsey take Allen he'll have a lot shorter honeymoon in Cleveland if Allen busts. Have to admit in my book- John has done little wrong since he's taken over. Started off on the right foot sending Kenny Britt packing almost immediately.
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allen just seems to have that drive to be a great QB in the league and I believe he would be a great fit sitting behind eli for a couple of years
allen just seems to have that drive to be a great QB in the league and I believe he would be a great fit sitting behind eli for a couple of years
lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
allen just seems to have that drive to be a great QB in the league and I believe he would be a great fit sitting behind eli for a couple of years
lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
wow Phipps that's harsh man
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found this as a good read coming out of Denver (long'ish) on Mayfield..my believ' is Elway has moved on from Allen also..Next Baker? well ya better get to #2.. https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/4/9/17213706/baker-mayfield-scouting-report
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lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
wow Phipps that's harsh man
wow Phipps that's harsh man
It really is.
Apparently Paul Warfield for Mike Phipps didn't work out well for the Orange and Brown.
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@londonbrown said:
It’s the type of receiver in this instance that matters. Some of you can’t see past your nose on this, just pro bowl and good Hanse = amazing player.
And some of you are puking out the same ESPN garbage repeatedly with no context or thought behind it.
We currently don’t have any reliable receiver on our roster whatsoever. While it’s an overpayment for a typical slot receiver, the benefit of a reliable handed, dynamic receiver to a young QB cannot be understated. 85% of passes in the NFL are thrown within 20 yards from the LOS. Jarvis is one of the best within 20 yards of the LOS.
The view that “oh Jarvis can only run short routes, therefore he’s of no use to a guy who possesses the ability to throw downfield” is shortsighted.
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It really is.
Apparently Paul Warfield for Mike Phipps didn't work out well for the Orange and Brown.
did haslem go back in time and make that trade ?
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lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
wow Phipps that's harsh man
wow Phipps that's harsh man
I remember it like it was yesterday. Allen being Phipps II is a truly scary thought..... Should I start praying for Divine Intervention?
And some of you are puking out the same ESPN garbage repeatedly with no context or thought behind it.
We currently don’t have any reliable receiver on our roster whatsoever. While it’s an overpayment for a typical slot receiver, the benefit of a reliable handed, dynamic receiver to a young QB cannot be understated. 85% of passes in the NFL are thrown within 20 yards from the LOS. Jarvis is one of the best within 20 yards of the LOS.
The view that “oh Jarvis can only run short routes, therefore he’s of no use to a guy who possesses the ability to throw downfield” is shortsighted.
In regard to the above... Landry is a huge positive addition. But back to Josh. I understand the "wow"factor of Allen's arm- but it takes more than that to be a pro bowl level qb in the NFL. That's what we all want right? It doesn't impress me he was throwing 80 yard rainbows at his pro day. I'm pretty sure I've never seen an 80 yard in the air completion in the 60 or so years I've been watching the NFL.
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wow Phipps that's harsh man
I remember it like it was yesterday. Allen being Phipps II is a truly scary thought..... Should I start praying for Divine Intervention?
And some of you are puking out the same ESPN garbage repeatedly with no context or thought behind it.
We currently don’t have any reliable receiver on our roster whatsoever. While it’s an overpayment for a typical slot receiver, the benefit of a reliable handed, dynamic receiver to a young QB cannot be understated. 85% of passes in the NFL are thrown within 20 yards from the LOS. Jarvis is one of the best within 20 yards of the LOS.
The view that “oh Jarvis can only run short routes, therefore he’s of no use to a guy who possesses the ability to throw downfield” is shortsighted.
In regard to the above... Landry is a huge positive addition. But back to Josh. I understand the "wow"factor of Allen's arm- but it takes more than that to be a pro bowl level qb in the NFL. That's what we all want right? It doesn't impress me he was throwing 80 yard rainbows at his pro day. I'm pretty sure I've never seen an 80 yard in the air completion in the 60 or so years I've been watching the NFL.
I remember it like it was yesterday. Allen being Phipps II is a truly scary thought..... Should I start praying for Divine Intervention?
In regard to the above... Landry is a huge positive addition. But back to Josh. I understand the "wow"factor of Allen's arm- but it takes more than that to be a pro bowl level qb in the NFL. That's what we all want right? It doesn't impress me he was throwing 80 yard rainbows at his pro day. I'm pretty sure I've never seen an 80 yard in the air completion in the 60 or so years I've been watching the NFL.
Honestly, I don’t care about pro days. I don’t watch them unless I have to.
The one thing I keep coming back to with Allen is that his one main issue is probably the most coachable issue of all of them.
Darnold’s delivery isn’t going to get more compact and he, too, struggles with overcompensation and bad reads at times. Mayfield isn’t going to get taller. Jackson won’t put any significant weight on his frame. And Rosen...well, he’s just fantastic and I hope we draft him.
Allen is really messing with me, to be honest. I see shades of Roethlisberger and Rodgers in him. Then I’ll see shades of Kizer or Boller.
At the end of the day, the circumstances of where he’s drafted will dictate which one he becomes more than anything he’ll do himself.
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I remember it like it was yesterday. Allen being Phipps II is a truly scary thought..... Should I start praying for Divine Intervention?
In regard to the above... Landry is a huge positive addition. But back to Josh. I understand the "wow"factor of Allen's arm- but it takes more than that to be a pro bowl level qb in the NFL. That's what we all want right? It doesn't impress me he was throwing 80 yard rainbows at his pro day. I'm pretty sure I've never seen an 80 yard in the air completion in the 60 or so years I've been watching the NFL.
Honestly, I don’t care about pro days. I don’t watch them unless I have to.
The one thing I keep coming back to with Allen is that his one main issue is probably the most coachable issue of all of them.
Darnold’s delivery isn’t going to get more compact and he, too, struggles with overcompensation and bad reads at times. Mayfield isn’t going to get taller. Jackson won’t put any significant weight on his frame. And Rosen...well, he’s just fantastic and I hope we draft him.
Allen is really messing with me, to be honest. I see shades of Roethlisberger and Rodgers in him. Then I’ll see shades of Kizer or Boller.
At the end of the day, the circumstances of where he’s drafted will dictate which one he becomes more than anything he’ll do himself.
Honestly, I don’t care about pro days. I don’t watch them unless I have to.
The one thing I keep coming back to with Allen is that his one main issue is probably the most coachable issue of all of them.
Darnold’s delivery isn’t going to get more compact and he, too, struggles with overcompensation and bad reads at times. Mayfield isn’t going to get taller. Jackson won’t put any significant weight on his frame. And Rosen...well, he’s just fantastic and I hope we draft him.
Allen is really messing with me, to be honest. I see shades of Roethlisberger and Rodgers in him. Then I’ll see shades of Kizer or Boller.
At the end of the day, the circumstances of where he’s drafted will dictate which one he becomes more than anything he’ll do himself.
The bold is what's scaring me- and at this point in my life- I'm very risk averse. Any of the other three's flaws scare me less.
At this point, you can't be sure of anything you're hearing. Is it all just a heavy blanket of smoke to disguise Dorsey & Company's true intentions? Plenty of stuff from NFLN ,CBS and others about Allen linked to the Browns. BUT- Jackson (another guy I really don't want) doesn't even make his visit until today, so how can it possibly be a done deal?
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I remember it like it was yesterday. Allen being Phipps II is a truly scary thought..... Should I start praying for Divine Intervention?
In regard to the above... Landry is a huge positive addition. But back to Josh. I understand the "wow"factor of Allen's arm- but it takes more than that to be a pro bowl level qb in the NFL. That's what we all want right? It doesn't impress me he was throwing 80 yard rainbows at his pro day. I'm pretty sure I've never seen an 80 yard in the air completion in the 60 or so years I've been watching the NFL.
Honestly, I don’t care about pro days. I don’t watch them unless I have to.
The one thing I keep coming back to with Allen is that his one main issue is probably the most coachable issue of all of them.
Darnold’s delivery isn’t going to get more compact and he, too, struggles with overcompensation and bad reads at times. Mayfield isn’t going to get taller. Jackson won’t put any significant weight on his frame. And Rosen...well, he’s just fantastic and I hope we draft him.
Allen is really messing with me, to be honest. I see shades of Roethlisberger and Rodgers in him. Then I’ll see shades of Kizer or Boller.
At the end of the day, the circumstances of where he’s drafted will dictate which one he becomes more than anything he’ll do himself.
Allen is really messing with me, to be honest. I see shades of Roethlisberger and Rodgers in him. Then I’ll see shades of Kizer or Boller.
pls, put these Qb traits in order of importance to you 1)accuracy 2)field vision 3)poise/leadership 4)arm strength 5)pocket presence/escapability 6)anticipation 7)mechanics 8)size...I see Allen only winning out on the field at only #4/#8.. I also see why you like Rosen, if we can surpass injury concerns. Size to me ranks last considering other traits..Allen,Jackson maybe Darnold, fit the mold of sitting a year..Mayfield has not sat for no-one in his life.(with off field concerns) .Rosen I see no way we could sit him a year..thanks for your QB opinions here..
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wow Phipps that's harsh man
I remember it like it was yesterday. Allen being Phipps II is a truly scary thought..... Should I start praying for Divine Intervention?
And some of you are puking out the same ESPN garbage repeatedly with no context or thought behind it.
We currently don’t have any reliable receiver on our roster whatsoever. While it’s an overpayment for a typical slot receiver, the benefit of a reliable handed, dynamic receiver to a young QB cannot be understated. 85% of passes in the NFL are thrown within 20 yards from the LOS. Jarvis is one of the best within 20 yards of the LOS.
The view that “oh Jarvis can only run short routes, therefore he’s of no use to a guy who possesses the ability to throw downfield” is shortsighted.
In regard to the above... Landry is a huge positive addition. But back to Josh. I understand the "wow"factor of Allen's arm- but it takes more than that to be a pro bowl level qb in the NFL. That's what we all want right? It doesn't impress me he was throwing 80 yard rainbows at his pro day. I'm pretty sure I've never seen an 80 yard in the air completion in the 60 or so years I've been watching the NFL.
I remember it like it was yesterday. Allen being Phipps II is a truly scary thought..... Should I start praying for Divine Intervention?
Divine intervention has put a lot of GREAT QBs on our door step that our FOs have repeatedly kicked off the step. If they ever made a t-shirt out of that one - it would be the size of a tent.
After seeing us overthink the QB position in so many times, it would be an epic disappointment to see us go after a QB that was just average in high school and college (with accuracy issues) only to pretend the pro game will be way easier. This reality keeps getting lost in all the fictional workouts indoors without pass rushers and corners. When you go to an NFL franchise not used to winning, you're going to face pass rushers and corners regardless of what the Josh Allen fans are trying to finger paint.
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allen just seems to have that drive to be a great QB in the league and I believe he would be a great fit sitting behind eli for a couple of years
lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
Every year we end up having to hear this nonsense. Do you think the agents put these kids up to it? Because every time it sounds like when the homeschool kid tries to curse in front of his buddies.
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Homeschool kids have buddies?
I hear ya... no idea if this is the agent, but I'd hope it was.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
allen just seems to have that drive to be a great QB in the league and I believe he would be a great fit sitting behind eli for a couple of years
lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
This^ though it may be more like 3.0.....because we had 2.0 playing for us last year.
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lol... almost did not see what you did there... but for the lil spellcheck squiggly under "eli", I might have missed it.
Saw an Allen interview where he came off well talking about his growing up on a farm/ranch and all... and then it turned to football and all the talk about not having any Div 1 offers... none. Then going JuCo and getting one offer from Wyoming. Again all fine...
And then he tried to go all Brady... said how he "played with a chip on his shoulder"... wanted to "destroy" every school who passed over him... a/k/a "every school". It rang so fukiin hollow the ringing is still in my ears a day later.
This kid has the passion of the oatmeal I had for breakfast... less after I sprinkle on the oatmeal.
He's Mike Phipps 2.0.
This^ though it may be more like 3.0.....because we had 2.0 playing for us last year.
This^ though it may be more like 3.0.....because we had 2.0 playing for us last year.
Yes.....but we'll never be able to say a pass from Phipps to Pitts again!
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it's really windy and 105 in the greenhouse, have ten trays planted, and ...
whatcha gonna do, when Josh Allen doesn't last til #2 ?
HOO, HOO, HOO !
going back to planting.
https://www.si.com/nfl/video/2018/04/10/josh-allen-nfl-draft-cleveland-browns
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