Landry to sign extension
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The Cleveland Browns added a slot receiver that defenses love when they acquired Jarvis Landry from the Miami Dolphins.
Fans and media alike declared the Cleveland Browns back upon seeing the news that the Browns traded for Jarvis Landry from the Miami Dolphins. The Browns valiantly fended off the Baltimore Ravens and no one else for the services of a slot receiver that puts up a lot of empty calories, but doesn’t make a meaningful difference for a team.
Landry has caught 400 passes over his first four seasons and made the Pro Bowl three times. These are impressive feats, but there’s a reason they have happened and it’s not because Landry is a great receiver. It’s largely because it’s a winning formula for the other team.
A defensive staff is preparing to take on the Browns for the week. Right away they have to figure out how to account for Josh Gordon. He’s a gamebreaker that is a threat to score on almost any play. David Njoku is a 250-pound tight end that runs like a gazelle. If they don’t account for him, he can break a big play and score. Duke Johnson is a matchup problem who’s really dangerous after the catch.
Who’s worried about Landry in the slot? No one. Herein lies the problem. Landry officially becomes the least athletic skill player on the team. Less athletic than Dan Vitale, the team’s fullback. Less athletic than Tyrod Taylor, the team’s new starting quarterback.
So even if Landry catches the ball, he’s not really a threat after the catch, averaging 5.1 yards yards after the catch per reception over his career. Factoring in the fact his overall average per reception is 10, that means Landry is catching the ball basically five yards past the line of scrimmage.
A defense can have a linebacker or slot corner take care of that effectively. Or just drop into a soft zone and then tackle him after he catches it. Unless he goes deeper down the field, he’s not a huge concern. There is quite literally no one a defense would rather have with the ball in their hands, because he is the least threatening.
They have to stop Gordon, make sure Njoku is accounted for, deal with players like Duke and Coleman, even if it’s just a single player matching up on them. Teams will let Landry catch the ball, because he’s not threatening. They don’t want to let him run free, but they’ll let him catch a five yard pass and then tackle him short of the first down.
For his career, 54.5 percent of the time Landry catches the ball, he gets a first down. By comparison, Seth DeValve has converted 65 percent of his receptions for first downs in his first two seasons. He does that while being almost 40 pounds heavier, more athletic and averaging more per reception.
Just by the numbers, if a defense plays good run defense and makes sure no one else kills them in the passing game, they’re going to get off the field basically in two sets of downs. Landry piles up numbers over the course of the game, which look good on a stat sheet, but mean little in terms of impacting the game, because the opponent is happy to let him get the ball and just tackle him, forcing them to punt it away.
In games Landry led the Dolphins in receiving yards, they notched a 7-15 over the course of his four year career. Their overall record over that span is 30-35, so they are 23-20 in games where anyone else leads the team in receiving yards. It’s a simple formula. Make Landry beat you.
No defensive coordinator is worried about Landry. As long as teams are throwing the ball to Landry, they aren’t throwing the ball to difference makers that can actually win the game, can force the offense to punt the ball away and ultimately win the game. Landry gets a trip to Hawaii and the team ends up going 5-11.
Meanwhile, quarterbacks want to complete passes. So when Gordon or Njoku are covered but might have opportunities, the quarterback may just go ahead and complete the sure thing in the wide open Landry underneath that gets tackled short of the sticks. It looks good on his stat sheet. Unfortunately, the offense goes nowhere. It’s a trap and most quarterbacks will fall into it.
Landry is getting paid just shy of $16 million to be the guy no one fears this season. In a vacuum, it’s as unimportant as the money paid to Brock Osweiler last year, but there should be zero talk of a contract extension. Landry would be a fool to take an extension to get paid what he’s actually worth. That would mean the Browns are prepared to give him about $10 million per year, which is utterly insane for what he’s actually doing.
The best case scenario for the Cleveland Browns is that Landry plays out this year, racks up a ton of yardage and goes to the Pro Bowl again. At that point, the Browns let him walk and some other team gives him the contact they’ll regret the Browns are hopefully too smart to offer. The Browns effectively get back what they paid to get to obtain Landry in the form of compensatory picks that can be used for more useful pieces to the team. If that’s the plan, it’s a brilliant one, but in the mean time, Jarvis Landry is the type of player that will put up numbers, but won’t win games.
An article I read a while back that has had me worried since and today sure didn't help
An article I read a while back that has had me worried since and today sure didn't help
Your article states that he averages 10 yard per catch. It complains that he catches most around the 5 yard range and only gets 5 yac. Now I don't pretend to comprehend high in math but what that says to me is he averages a first down per catch, you know 10 yards is a first down and all
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If you say we have to overpay then you're admitting we overpaid, which is my issue...
If you say we have to overpay then you're admitting we overpaid, which is my issue...
We are a 1 - 23 football team. How in the hell can you not understand we will pay a premium for ANY decent player?
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Seems a lot of people are underestimating Landry, and the impact of possession/slot receivers. This has been one of the greatest weaknesses of Browns offenses for the past decade.
2 things, consistency and ability to separate quickly.
For a comparison, Brady destroys the league every year with Landry-type recievers (but less talented) and TEs. Best way to keep LBs on their heels is to force them to consider coverage issues.
Duke, Landry, and Njoku (if he continues to develop) could be the best benefits to our running game.
The "go-deep" and outside WRs are seriously overrated. They may put safeties on their heels but they rarely lead teams to championships.
Rant over...
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Some of you can’t handle another opinion without aiming abuse.
And I’m the crybaby ?
Some of you can’t handle another opinion without aiming abuse.
And I’m the crybaby ?
Syd's a dickhead crybaby.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
If you say we have to overpay then you're admitting we overpaid, which is my issue...
Well then what alternative would you propose a historically bad team to do in order to attract and retain talent?
I don’t think this contract is overpaying but that seems to be your consistent gripe. I personally don’t care about the idea of what is or isn’t overpaying until the Browns can put out a product that would attract free agents and encourage players to stick around.
Well then what alternative would you propose a historically bad team to do in order to attract and retain talent?
I don’t think this contract is overpaying but that seems to be your consistent gripe. I personally don’t care about the idea of what is or isn’t overpaying until the Browns can put out a product that would attract free agents and encourage players to stick around.
Exactly- until we start winning- we're going to have to pay a premium for top players. Some guys like Cousins and Suh wouldn't even consider the Browns- because why play for a dumpster fire regardless of how much I can make. Guys like that coming off Franchise tags- or the equivalent- are already set for life, they can pick and chose their destinations. Also paying Landry sends a clear message to the rest of the League- come here, if you're good enough we'll pay you.
That isn't very much is it, we could have got that out of Duke or a slot WR in the draft and not paid them elite WR money
LOL, and having a historical amount of cap room got us 0-16 last year. Thing is- we still have more cap room than anyone- I wouldn't worry too much about what Landry is getting.... Even if Gordon behaves and we have to pay him out the wazoo next year on top of that.
So you want to gamble Christian Kirk not only will be there at #33, but can put up Landry's production? Changing Duke to a slot receiver is going to bump him up to 100+ catches? Sorry, that's crazy, it already would have happened.
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Well then what alternative would you propose a historically bad team to do in order to attract and retain talent?
I don’t think this contract is overpaying but that seems to be your consistent gripe. I personally don’t care about the idea of what is or isn’t overpaying until the Browns can put out a product that would attract free agents and encourage players to stick around.
Exactly- until we start winning- we're going to have to pay a premium for top players. Some guys like Cousins and Suh wouldn't even consider the Browns- because why play for a dumpster fire regardless of how much I can make. Guys like that coming off Franchise tags- or the equivalent- are already set for life, they can pick and chose their destinations. Also paying Landry sends a clear message to the rest of the League- come here, if you're good enough we'll pay you.
That isn't very much is it, we could have got that out of Duke or a slot WR in the draft and not paid them elite WR money
LOL, and having a historical amount of cap room got us 0-16 last year. Thing is- we still have more cap room than anyone- I wouldn't worry too much about what Landry is getting.... Even if Gordon behaves and we have to pay him out the wazoo next year on top of that.
So you want to gamble Christian Kirk not only will be there at #33, but can put up Landry's production? Changing Duke to a slot receiver is going to bump him up to 100+ catches? Sorry, that's crazy, it already would have happened.
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Some of you can’t handle another opinion without aiming abuse.
And I’m the crybaby ?
Syd's a dickhead crybaby.
Syd's a dickhead crybaby.
hahahahhahahaahahahahahah F.U
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I think this is an overpay but we have a top of cap space and frankly given our record we are going to have to overpay players in the short term. That being said the devil is in the details of the contract, he is guaranteed less than 10 mil per year on average for the deal, so there is probably opt out room after 3 years if needed. If Browns start winning games, people won't care about his contract.
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Some of you can’t handle another opinion without aiming abuse.
And I’m the crybaby ?
Syd's a dickhead crybaby.
Syd's a dickhead crybaby.
Aren't you the one who ran to the moderators on here with your girlfriend calfox when both of your snowflake feelings got so, so hurt?
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Syd's a dickhead crybaby.
Aren't you the one who ran to the moderators on here with your girlfriend calfox when both of your snowflake feelings got so, so hurt?
Aren't you the one who ran to the moderators on here with your girlfriend calfox when both of your snowflake feelings got so, so hurt?
that's been his m.o for years along with the dickface shep
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Aren't you the one who ran to the moderators on here with your girlfriend calfox when both of your snowflake feelings got so, so hurt?
that's been his m.o for years along with the dickface shep
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Shep?
heard he posted here I knew the dickfaced crying to the mods fukc from a different board
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Just in: Guy lambasted for a career of not being good with the cap does things that are bad for the cap
Just in: Guy lambasted for a career of not being good with the cap does things that are bad for the cap
Don't worry, this is what a rebuild looks like. Just remember the posts from last year. The Browns FO is very advanced and they are doing things that the other 31 teams are just too stupid to understand.
Landry is a Hue Jackson pick. Make no mistake about it. Hue likes the dink and dump, high percentage offense. Hue is NOT going to stretch the field and he not going to choose a QB who isn't a black Tarkenton. Get ready for Lamarkenton.
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Haha, let's not spend any money and continue to suck. The master plan!
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Two things-
1- Landry was on a one year trial and then we would have to try and resign him. We basically are signing him to a 4 year extension for 10 million a year. Not bad for a guy that you won't have to question his hands or if the QB threw a catchable ball. If Landry don't catch it, it's on the QB.
2- Duke Johnson may or may not be here after this year. With Barkley starting Duke may not even see the field that much. Gordon, Landry, Njoku, Barkley and Coleman with Taylor's scrambling threat will be a nightmare to try and stop- but it'll be fun to watch them try anyway
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Two things-
1- Landry was on a one year trial and then we would have to try and resign him. We basically are signing him to a 4 year extension for 10 million a year. Not bad for a guy that you won't have to question his hands or if the QB threw a catchable ball. If Landry don't catch it, it's on the QB.
2- Duke Johnson may or may not be here after this year. With Barkley starting Duke may not even see the field that much. Gordon, Landry, Njoku, Barkley and Coleman with Taylor's scrambling threat will be a nightmare to try and stop- but it'll be fun to watch them try anyway
Two things-
1- Landry was on a one year trial and then we would have to try and resign him. We basically are signing him to a 4 year extension for 10 million a year. Not bad for a guy that you won't have to question his hands or if the QB threw a catchable ball. If Landry don't catch it, it's on the QB.
2- Duke Johnson may or may not be here after this year. With Barkley starting Duke may not even see the field that much. Gordon, Landry, Njoku, Barkley and Coleman with Taylor's scrambling threat will be a nightmare to try and stop- but it'll be fun to watch them try anyway
Po we love ya- but Barkley probably isn't happening.
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Just in: Guy lambasted for a career of not being good with the cap does things that are bad for the cap
Don't worry, this is what a rebuild looks like. Just remember the posts from last year. The Browns FO is very advanced and they are doing things that the other 31 teams are just too stupid to understand.
Landry is a Hue Jackson pick. Make no mistake about it. Hue likes the dink and dump, high percentage offense. Hue is NOT going to stretch the field and he not going to choose a QB who isn't a black Tarkenton. Get ready for Lamarkenton.
Don't worry, this is what a rebuild looks like. Just remember the posts from last year. The Browns FO is very advanced and they are doing things that the other 31 teams are just too stupid to understand.
Landry is a Hue Jackson pick. Make no mistake about it. Hue likes the dink and dump, high percentage offense. Hue is NOT going to stretch the field and he not going to choose a QB who isn't a black Tarkenton. Get ready for Lamarkenton.
Hue isn't making the pick- since you made $300k betting the slots, and won't bet me $35 bucks we're not taking Jackson? Get outta here with that weak $hit. You can can the Jimmy cheapster crap too, since Haslam apparently OKed Dorsey spending $73 million of his money on a guy some idjits think is under talented and over paid. Hue isn't smart enough (by your constant past posting) to pick up a pro bowl WR for a fourth round pick. He wanted to spend a second and third round on a quarterback who probably isn't even as good as Taylor. You so blind to not even see Hue is 100% in damage control mode after the rest of the NFL made him look like a total buffoon?
Sure, if Sashi was still in charge, we'd still be stuck with Kizer, and certainly we're trading down out of #4 to take that next great slot receiver Christian Kirk in the bottom half of the first round.
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ha that’s the best yet, no hint as to why we even have pick #4 in the first place
I can give you a clue if you like...
Id be surprised if Dorsey doesn’t trade back there. The pick has huge value.
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But since that comes with our territory...
Folks have said we overpaid for all our FA signings as well.. no better example than Currie. Thing is none of those were headline contracts.
Back on Landry... I think the trend in his stats is informative. His YPR was trending up until he ran into Cutler in 2017. Not sure how that squares with the rise in TDs last season, but I can't do all the work here...
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This is a great signing, he is exactly what this team needs ... talented, passionate, healthy, young ... GOOD AT HIS JOB. If Landry catches 8 balls for 80 yards to keep drives going while Gordon scores two TDS on 4 grabs and Nojoku 1 TD on three grabs ... we're winning that game.
This guy is a QUARTERBACK'S BEST FRIEND. We are drafting a quarterback #1 ... If I have to spell it out any further ...
If we signed a top LT to protect the QB no one would bitch about the money ... but we sign perhaps THE best possession receiver in the league to protect the QB ... and we overpaid because he doesn't make enough big plays. They all don't have to be "big" ... there's other weapons for that, but he have to start by in fact "MAKING PLAYS" big or small.
We're in the business of winning football games. This guy just filled a huge need so we can finally start moving in that direction.
Duke Johnson? Bitch, please ...
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