Inside Info about a Divided Browns Org on our QB? Interesting stuff from a guy who (says he) knows a guy...
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One of the more basic ways for teams to get inside info is to recruit disgruntled "soon to be fired" scouts and personnel staffers away from another team while they are still employed and possibly privy to strategic information. ALL teams try to do this. The best and smartest teams top execs leave scouts & even key personnel staffers in the dark on real rankings and strategy for fear of info leaking out. The elite top execs only inform the owner & a select few before the draft. Smart top execs run disinformation campaigns and put up false rankings in plain view of scouts and staffers so the disinfo will leak to teams giving them an advantage to operate under the veil of confusion.
Even after stating this, we are supposed to believe that a scout from another team knows everything about who likes who in the Browns organization. Unlikely
Even after stating this, we are supposed to believe that a scout from another team knows everything about who likes who in the Browns organization. Unlikely
Agree... and even the original poster is not claiming the "insight" to be gospel, but he also alludes to the fact that teams vet the rumors they hear. And that's easier as it only takes a "where did you hear that?" response or two. When there are as many people "in the room" as that pic of Dorsey that's floating around, a lot of people come away knowing, or thinking they know, things.
Foremost of the known things would be where division exists and who is on what side. Those are on clear display in the meeting. And that's all this guy is saying his bro-in-law has heard.
What people think they know, but really don't, is what the ultimate decision is... a//k/a about every other report out there.
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Betting odds on 1st pick ...Darnold still odds on despite rumors
- Sam Darnold (QB) -300
- Josh Allen (QB) +175
- Saquon Barkley (RB) +400
- Josh Rosen (QB) +1000
- Baker Mayfield (QB) +3300
- Bradley Chubb (DE) +3300
- Minkah Fitzpatrick (DB) +6600
- Field (Any Other Player) +3300
Betting odds on 1st pick ...Darnold still odds on despite rumors (April 4)
- Sam Darnold (QB) -300
- Josh Allen (QB) +175
- Saquon Barkley (RB) +400
- Josh Rosen (QB) +1000
- Baker Mayfield (QB) +3300
- Bradley Chubb (DE) +3300
- Minkah Fitzpatrick (DB) +6600
- Field (Any Other Player) +3300
Earlier odds from March 6 shows how Darnold has moved up and passed Barkley as the favorite #1 pick. Odds although not always absolutely correct they can pick up on the latest trends. Note too the field went from +1600 to +3300 a significant change and more uncertainty on anyone else slipping in the race.
Betting houses #1 rule they do not like to lose money.
Odds as of March 6 at BetOnline
- Saquon Barkley (RB) +180
- Sam Darnold (QB) +300
- Josh Allen (QB) +380
- Baker Mayfield (QB) +600
- Josh Rosen (QB) +800
- Minkah Fitzpatrick (DB) +2500
- Bradley Chubb (DE) +3300
- Field (Any Other Player) +1600
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Well another opinion this one from vegasinsider.com on the top picks including our BROWNS:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/story.cfm/story/1917597
1. Darnold 2. Allen 3. Rosun 4. Barkley and the rest......
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Well... there's been a couple updates. And they are not good news for either the Rosen or Allen lovers...
Good news for you, but sh*** news for me.... Just got off the phone with my brother-in-law about an hour ago... he said the Giants are rebuffing even the Broncos current unbelievable trade offer because their personnel group is operating under belief that the Browns are taking Baker Mayfield at 1.
They will stay at number 2, Select Sam Darnold in a scenario that at the start of the draft season was only thought to be an unattainable fantasy.
The coaches desire for Josh Rosen has apparently cooled due to the neurology review and medical assessment during his private workout and private medical review at the hospital showing he may have some longterm risk having sustained 4 concussions in 3.5 years (2 in high school; 2 in college).
After the interviews and private workouts, Baker Mayfield has won the QB derby.....
Giants personnel group actually thinks the Browns will go 1. Baker Mayfield and 4. Denzel Ward.
At this point, my b.i.l. thinks the top 7 will go: 1. Browns: Baker Mayfield, 2. Giants: Sam Darnold, 3. Jets: Josh Rosen, 4. Browns: Denzel Ward, 5. Broncos: Quenton Nelson or Trade down with Buffalo who comes up to get Josh Allen, 6. Colts: Bradley Chubb, 7. Buccaneers: Saquon Barkley
1. The Oklahoma staff firmly believes that Baker is John Dorsey's guy... and that he's been so all along specifically because Dorsey called the coaches and private manager of Mayfield and told him to keep his head down and stay out of trouble more than once.
2. Supposedly, The O-Coaches & Eliot Wolf (Haley, Zampese, and Hue) wanted Rosen but now it's Darnold after private meetings and neurological assessments of Rosen... meanwhile the key Personnel group (Dorsey, Highsmith, McCloughan) all are full on Team Mayfield...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Taking anyone other than Rosen is just making life harder on yourself than it has to be.
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Taking anyone other than Rosen is just making life harder on yourself than it has to be.
If the "neurological assessment" causes the medical staff to cross off Rosen, then that's it... life is going to be harder.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well... there's been a couple updates. And they are not good news for either the Rosen or Allen lovers...
Good news for you, but sh*** news for me.... Just got off the phone with my brother-in-law about an hour ago... he said the Giants are rebuffing even the Broncos current unbelievable trade offer because their personnel group is operating under belief that the Browns are taking Baker Mayfield at 1.
They will stay at number 2, Select Sam Darnold in a scenario that at the start of the draft season was only thought to be an unattainable fantasy.
The coaches desire for Josh Rosen has apparently cooled due to the neurology review and medical assessment during his private workout and private medical review at the hospital showing he may have some longterm risk having sustained 4 concussions in 3.5 years (2 in high school; 2 in college).
After the interviews and private workouts, Baker Mayfield has won the QB derby.....
Giants personnel group actually thinks the Browns will go 1. Baker Mayfield and 4. Denzel Ward.
At this point, my b.i.l. thinks the top 7 will go: 1. Browns: Baker Mayfield, 2. Giants: Sam Darnold, 3. Jets: Josh Rosen, 4. Browns: Denzel Ward, 5. Broncos: Quenton Nelson or Trade down with Buffalo who comes up to get Josh Allen, 6. Colts: Bradley Chubb, 7. Buccaneers: Saquon Barkley
1. The Oklahoma staff firmly believes that Baker is John Dorsey's guy... and that he's been so all along specifically because Dorsey called the coaches and private manager of Mayfield and told him to keep his head down and stay out of trouble more than once.
2. Supposedly, The O-Coaches & Eliot Wolf (Haley, Zampese, and Hue) wanted Rosen but now it's Darnold after private meetings and neurological assessments of Rosen... meanwhile the key Personnel group (Dorsey, Highsmith, McCloughan) all are full on Team Mayfield...
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Well, I've been wondering how they were going to Browns it up this year, now I know.
Hang in there, D... it's still only a "belief".
FWIW the source said that part of the reason for the Mayfield love is that while he was unemployed Dorsey lived in the home of an OU booster in Norman for all six, home game weeks and attended every one of Baker's home games.
Sounds kinda stalker-ish...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If the "neurological assessment" causes the medical staff to cross off Rosen, then that's it... life is going to be harder.
Unless homeboys brain comes back like Billy Bob's from Varsity Blues then I'm not gonna buy any other reason.
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Well, I've been wondering how they were going to Browns it up this year, now I know.
Hang in there, D... it's still only a "belief".
FWIW the source said that part of the reason for the Mayfield love is that while he was unemployed Dorsey lived in the home of an OU booster in Norman for all six, home game weeks and attended every one of Baker's home games.
Sounds kinda stalker-ish...
FWIW the source said that part of the reason for the Mayfield love is that while he was unemployed Dorsey lived in the home of an OU booster in Norman for all six, home game weeks and attended every one of Baker's home games
Dorsey said this in a early presser somewhere maybe around Senior Bowl'ish if my memory is correct? Kind'a figured it would be hard to disrail his train when I heard it..there's smoke then there's somebody truly putting a Browns ball cap on..the giants will hand out their own hats..but not for us.. tick tick tock
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yep..check here it is.. good review again of Dorsey draft outlook/GM speak..hits Rosen with MKC about 3mins in..Mayfield 5min'ish in
Also am remembering a NFL network guy reporting Dorsey having a long talk with DE Marcus Davenport from Texas San Antonio U during Senior Bowl..great more smoke
Chief Strategy of Baseball Paul Depodesta meet Morris Buttermaker of Walter Matthau fame..Tanner your moving from 2nd base to playing QB
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Baker Mayfield being compared to Tanner Boyle in The Bad News Bears has to be my favorite moment in the lead-up to this draft. I can't remember who said it, I think it was a draft guy from the NFL Network named Charles something?
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Wait there's more
..1)Tyrod Taylor takes in his Virginia Tech Hokie football Spring Game today(dude loves football) 2) QB Drew Stanton is playing Golf with Bruce Arians Golf Charity(practicing clipboard holding) 3)Jimmy Haslam is busing his newly signed 21 FA's to Dinner after 1st offseason workouts begins Monday..All is kumbaya on Gilligan's lost Island.. EDit:Dutch tell Chuck to stop stealing my rap til Poe'g gets back from Tampa Hoorta & Marko must have noodlin drug poor poe'g like a catfish to internet-less Tampa 
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Well... there's been a couple updates. And they are not good news for either the Rosen or Allen lovers...
Good news for you, but sh*** news for me.... Just got off the phone with my brother-in-law about an hour ago... he said the Giants are rebuffing even the Broncos current unbelievable trade offer because their personnel group is operating under belief that the Browns are taking Baker Mayfield at 1.
They will stay at number 2, Select Sam Darnold in a scenario that at the start of the draft season was only thought to be an unattainable fantasy.
The coaches desire for Josh Rosen has apparently cooled due to the neurology review and medical assessment during his private workout and private medical review at the hospital showing he may have some longterm risk having sustained 4 concussions in 3.5 years (2 in high school; 2 in college).
After the interviews and private workouts, Baker Mayfield has won the QB derby.....
Giants personnel group actually thinks the Browns will go 1. Baker Mayfield and 4. Denzel Ward.
At this point, my b.i.l. thinks the top 7 will go: 1. Browns: Baker Mayfield, 2. Giants: Sam Darnold, 3. Jets: Josh Rosen, 4. Browns: Denzel Ward, 5. Broncos: Quenton Nelson or Trade down with Buffalo who comes up to get Josh Allen, 6. Colts: Bradley Chubb, 7. Buccaneers: Saquon Barkley
1. The Oklahoma staff firmly believes that Baker is John Dorsey's guy... and that he's been so all along specifically because Dorsey called the coaches and private manager of Mayfield and told him to keep his head down and stay out of trouble more than once.
2. Supposedly, The O-Coaches & Eliot Wolf (Haley, Zampese, and Hue) wanted Rosen but now it's Darnold after private meetings and neurological assessments of Rosen... meanwhile the key Personnel group (Dorsey, Highsmith, McCloughan) all are full on Team Mayfield...
Well... there's been a couple updates. And they are not good news for either the Rosen or Allen lovers...
My condolences Tour.... Chief Smoke Blanket Dorsey sending up heavy Allen rumors. Just MHO- Mayfield at #1 is less of a reach than Allen.
If the "neurological assessment" causes the medical staff to cross off Rosen, then that's it... life is going to be harder.
Hey there AGS Energy- don't go arguing with a medical professional about what's inside Rosen's noggin. FWIW, my best pal and fellow season ticket holder is a neurologist. When he talks head injuries, I listen.
EDit:Dutch tell Chuck to stop stealing my rap til Poe'g gets back from Tampa
Hoorta & Marko must have noodlin drug poor poe'g like a catfish to internet-less Tampa So little Saquon banter lately- I hardly noticed.
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Well... there's been a couple updates. And they are not good news for either the Rosen or Allen lovers...
My condolences Tour.... Chief Smoke Blanket Dorsey sending up heavy Allen rumors. Just MHO- Mayfield at #1 is less of a reach than Allen.
If the "neurological assessment" causes the medical staff to cross off Rosen, then that's it... life is going to be harder.
Hey there AGS Energy- don't go arguing with a medical professional about what's inside Rosen's noggin. FWIW, my best pal and fellow season ticket holder is a neurologist. When he talks head injuries, I listen.
EDit:Dutch tell Chuck to stop stealing my rap til Poe'g gets back from Tampa
Hoorta & Marko must have noodlin drug poor poe'g like a catfish to internet-less Tampa So little Saquon banter lately- I hardly noticed.
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This picture gives this scenario a lot more credibility. Look who is directly to the left of Dorsey, yeah that’s Scot McCloughan
This picture gives this scenario a lot more credibility. Look who is directly to the left of Dorsey, yeah that’s Scot McCloughan
Maybe Hue is the photographer for these events.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
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The fact that the "experts" on tv and other reporting arenas don't have a consensus #1 candidate shows us that it's probably not out of the question that OUR experts don't have a shared conclusion. Obviously it'd be NICE if everyone felt the same way, but I can think of pluses and minuses to each guy, so I'm sure they're battling the same issue. There's been so much talk about Josh Allen and Sam Darnold, I can't help but think that means it will be either Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen. To be honest, I don't really care WHO we take at #1, as long as it's a QB, and as long as it's NOT Josh Allen. He just looks like a total bust to me UNLESS he goes to a team with an established QB and experienced coaching structure that knows what to do with him. Playing QB for the Browns is a way different animal, as we all know.
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Actually Wolf is to his left. Right?
Actually Wolf is to his left. Right?
Yeah, my mistake. Wolf is to his left, Scot McCloughan is behind and to his right
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The fact that the "experts" on tv and other reporting arenas don't have a consensus #1 candidate shows us that it's probably not out of the question that OUR experts don't have a shared conclusion. Obviously it'd be NICE if everyone felt the same way, but I can think of pluses and minuses to each guy, so I'm sure they're battling the same issue. There's been so much talk about Josh Allen and Sam Darnold, I can't help but think that means it will be either Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen. To be honest, I don't really care WHO we take at #1, as long as it's a QB, and as long as it's NOT Josh Allen. He just looks like a total bust to me UNLESS he goes to a team with an established QB and experienced coaching structure that knows what to do with him. Playing QB for the Browns is a way different animal, as we all know.
There's been so much talk about Josh Allen and Sam Darnold, I can't help but think that means it will be either Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen.
... a total bust... UNLESS he goes to a team with an established QB and experienced coaching structure that knows what to do with him.
I believe that the Allen/ Darnold split being aired in our big room is reason for the rumors focusing on these two, but there's a limit to how much of the full group's time you are willing to waste on decided issues. Meanwhile "the decision" is being made by a much smaller, non-leaking group. That could mean that any of the top four are in play.
I don't get the "UNLESS". There simply is not a recipe for creating a QB where the raw material is as incomplete as it is in some cases.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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