From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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Speaking of thought experiments, I’ve been floating this one around the office. Apologies if it’s been discussed, I’ve been gone.
This is a year where there’s really no consensus #1 but four or five potential first round guys with either great resumes or abnormal physical tools. What is holding each prospect back from being the consensus #1?
What I get is:
For Rosen, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for his personality and concussion concerns.
For Darnold, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for an elongated windup and a less-than-stellar final year.
For Allen, he’d be the consensus #1 if his career completion percentage was 5% better.
For Mayfield, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were three inches taller.
For Jackson, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were heavier and slightly more accurate.
Speaking of thought experiments, I’ve been floating this one around the office. Apologies if it’s been discussed, I’ve been gone.
This is a year where there’s really no consensus #1 but four or five potential first round guys with either great resumes or abnormal physical tools. What is holding each prospect back from being the consensus #1?
What I get is:
For Rosen, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for his personality and concussion concerns.
For Darnold, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for an elongated windup and a less-than-stellar final year.
For Allen, he’d be the consensus #1 if his career completion percentage was 5% better.
For Mayfield, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were three inches taller.
For Jackson, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were heavier and slightly more accurate.
It wasn't that long ego (pre-hindsight 20/20) there was a HUGE "Fail for Cardale" contingent when he was only 3 starts old leading the Buckeyes to a National Championship. Outside of the enormous difference in competition faced, he had a lot of similarities to Josh Allen in the ideal arm strength but accuracy issues. Cardale wrist flicked some of the most beautiful deep passes I've seen without the need for ideal feet/mechanics at least within that short span.
For those with their hearts set on the bionic arm with no need to worry about accuracy kind of QB - we can prolly get Cardale in the very near future at the NFL price equivalent of an Aldi's box of Cheerios if this is all we want again. He's also used to backing up Tyrod Taylor. In the whole scheme of things - is it really any more outrageous than people refusing to bigger picture why Josh Allen has never exceeded mediocrity in high school (as depicted in Major DI scholarship offers) and in college? Now Allen is being pushed all the way up to upper first round consideration/temptation where bad NFL teams are allegedly offering him way easier success? Make sense? It shouldn't. And if he's a project somebody has to wait a year or 2 before there's any comfort starting him - is he really any different than Cardale? Based on what I've seen, coaching up accuracy from someone that has never been accurate is about as easy as seeing a tiger change its stripes.
Like him or laugh at him, the biggest thing I ever saw Mel Kiper get right was "beware the last minute risers that surface especially when the football stops being played."
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Precisely. That's like hearing the WRs with dropsies entering the draft are just going to get coached up in Cleveland all the way up until our next example of "easier said than done" with Corey Coleman.
Yes and is there and cure at the professional level when you're wide open looking directly at the quarterback and the ball hits you in the hands with a chance to beat a division rival and possibly avoid a winless season.
I'll give you two seconds to think it over. D'OH!
Yes and is there and cure at the professional level when you're wide open looking directly at the quarterback and the ball hits you in the hands with a chance to beat a division rival and possibly avoid a winless season.
I'll give you two seconds to think it over. D'OH!
I didn't need 2 seconds any more than you needed 2 seconds. Unfortunately, the people paying him first round cake are giving him 3 years because 2-3 surviving ego's in our brain trust that chose him instead of Mike Thomas want to prove something they haven't been able to yet. That being the case, I'm not the guy you need to play "Let go my ego" with here.
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Speaking of thought experiments, I’ve been floating this one around the office. Apologies if it’s been discussed, I’ve been gone.
This is a year where there’s really no consensus #1 but four or five potential first round guys with either great resumes or abnormal physical tools. What is holding each prospect back from being the consensus #1?
What I get is:
For Rosen, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for his personality and concussion concerns.
For Darnold, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for an elongated windup and a less-than-stellar final year.
For Allen, he’d be the consensus #1 if his career completion percentage was 5% better.
For Mayfield, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were three inches taller.
For Jackson, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were heavier and slightly more accurate.
Speaking of thought experiments, I’ve been floating this one around the office. Apologies if it’s been discussed, I’ve been gone.
This is a year where there’s really no consensus #1 but four or five potential first round guys with either great resumes or abnormal physical tools. What is holding each prospect back from being the consensus #1?
What I get is:
For Rosen, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for his personality and concussion concerns.
For Darnold, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for an elongated windup and a less-than-stellar final year.
For Allen, he’d be the consensus #1 if his career completion percentage was 5% better.
For Mayfield, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were three inches taller.
For Jackson, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were heavier and slightly more accurate.
That's why I like Darnold. Which of those concerns is the easiest to fix at the pro level?
No one is getting taller. No one's personality is going away or is getting a clean concussion chart. Accuracy is one of the hardest improvements to make when you jump to the pro level (I think we can all agree at some level on that ... my first foray in this thread, I assume that is the core of all this discussion).
Darnold needs some tinkering, some ball security improvement ... Ok ... Meet Hue Jackson, Todd Haley, Mike Zampese, Drew Stanton ... watch Tyrod Taylor, one of the best ball control QBs in the league for a season.
Darnold is a gunslinger with a gunslinger mentality ... NFL coaches' job to refine that without losing what you like about him in the first place. He's got a lot of Favre in him. Cool.
Personality: He's a dirt dawg ... teammates will love him.
Health: Pretty clean
Accuracy: 65% at Major program
Size: Tall and thick
In my opinion, he is the cleanest prospect, and, also in my opinion, the Browns are going to call his name #1.
We are breathing a lot of smoke right now, but by the day before the draft it will be written on the walls. Best QB on the board.
Zombo
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Speaking of thought experiments, I’ve been floating this one around the office. Apologies if it’s been discussed, I’ve been gone.
This is a year where there’s really no consensus #1 but four or five potential first round guys with either great resumes or abnormal physical tools. What is holding each prospect back from being the consensus #1?
What I get is:
For Rosen, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for his personality and concussion concerns.
For Darnold, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for an elongated windup and a less-than-stellar final year.
For Allen, he’d be the consensus #1 if his career completion percentage was 5% better.
For Mayfield, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were three inches taller.
For Jackson, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were heavier and slightly more accurate.
It wasn't that long ego (pre-hindsight 20/20) there was a HUGE "Fail for Cardale" contingent when he was only 3 starts old leading the Buckeyes to a National Championship. Outside of the enormous difference in competition faced, he had a lot of similarities to Josh Allen in the ideal arm strength but accuracy issues. Cardale wrist flicked some of the most beautiful deep passes I've seen without the need for ideal feet/mechanics at least within that short span.
For those with their hearts set on the bionic arm with no need to worry about accuracy kind of QB - we can prolly get Cardale in the very near future at the NFL price equivalent of an Aldi's box of Cheerios if this is all we want again. He's also used to backing up Tyrod Taylor. In the whole scheme of things - is it really any more outrageous than people refusing to bigger picture why Josh Allen has never exceeded mediocrity in high school (as depicted in Major DI scholarship offers) and in college? Now Allen is being pushed all the way up to upper first round consideration/temptation where bad NFL teams are allegedly offering him way easier success? Make sense? It shouldn't. And if he's a project somebody has to wait a year or 2 before there's any comfort starting him - is he really any different than Cardale? Based on what I've seen, coaching up accuracy from someone that has never been accurate is about as easy as seeing a tiger change its stripes.
Like him or laugh at him, the biggest thing I ever saw Mel Kiper get right was "beware the last minute risers that surface especially when the football stops being played."
Like him or laugh at him, the biggest thing I ever saw Mel Kiper get right was "beware the last minute risers that surface especially when the football stops being played."
And ironically enough we need to pay attention that it is Kiper who has pushed Allen to the top. What an f'n joke!
And Mayfield did everything humanly possible to get OK a NC except tackle Sony Michel, who gave them the knockout blows.
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Hated Kizer from the get-go, thought he sucked at ND, and he didn't disappoint me on the Browns.
and you might be right but the caution light came on when Dorsey thinks Hue needs talent. Offensive talent clearly. Am more disappointed with Hue's use of Kizer with no other choice behind him. Falls on Sashi too. We'll see who GB tries to slide to PS Kizer or his twin from UCLA Hunley
and you might be right but the caution light came on when Dorsey thinks Hue needs talent. Offensive talent clearly. Am more disappointed with Hue's use of Kizer with no other choice behind him. Falls on Sashi too. We'll see who GB tries to slide to PS Kizer or his twin from UCLA Hunley
Gumby, as much as I agree with some of your points - let's be honest about our overall talent. Also, growing pains of inexperience aren't always bad coaching. For example, Ogbah was starting to become the DE we hoped he'd be prior to injury last year. He was the #1 ranked DE against the run by PFF while he was leading us in sacks when he went on IR. That said, when we looked at who had to replace him and Garrett when they were injured - Nassib and Orchard didn't step up nearly as consistently as we needed them to IMO. Another example of improvement in the 2nd year is Joe Schobert partly from growing pains and partly from coaches placing him where he helped us most. I see examples of success where they were possible. But I also see a team that can least afford injuries to starters due to the FO that hasn't had us stacked from top to bottom to the caliber of our AFC North opponents topping us all the time.
Our WR Corps that only included Josh Gordon for 5 games in the last 3 years SUCKED rat dong. Even the T Pryor that was going onto greener grass elsewhere with better QBing and better Offensive Coaching wasn't making them feel good about adding him when he was healthy there. He actually did better here at least to the extent far less were saying don't let the door hit you in the assss on the way out.
Defensively, our secondary was as piss poor as our WR Corps. I think the 31st ranking at intercepting QBs was an accurate depiction. Jamar Taylor was overpaid as soon as Miami deemed him not worthy of keeping around for upside they weren't seeing. We not only brought him in at a FA raise - he got another raise here like our FO was doing us a favor. In a division that starts WRs like Antonio Brown, Michael Crabtree, AJ Green during a passing era - it's going to take more than 2 good edge rushers get these beyostards covered.
While McCourtey played extremely well here up until the ankle injury at least according to PFF and my 2 eyes; his age made him worthy of good bye in TN where they drafted a corner in round 1 to upside/upgrade his spot in their lineup. Gregg Williams had him playing better football than finger LeBeau had him playing. That said, he's on 32 year old legs which don't bounce back from injury right away as we saw and perhaps TN experienced prior to cutting him loose. I DID appreciate him playing through injury even though he wasn't nearly the same performer.
I saw evidence of this team playing well where they were capable of it (ie: against the run). I also saw inexperience and growing pains where I expected to. That said, there's no excuse for the length of time our FOs gave a blind eye to the WR Corps and Secondary in a passing era. It's like we've been asking any QB/victim to play well without giving him the tools to do so. It's like telling a landscaper to go cut lawns without their weed wackers and tractors/mowers while expecting productivity and efficiency. It wasn't just wide eye rookies and inexperienced QBs getting sacked/hit holding onto the ball too long. We saw McCown, RG3&Out, and David Whitehurst doing the same stuff. If we ever do get the healthy/steady edge rush we've been aiming for in the draft - teams are going to challenge our secondary and backers with quicker throws. Tour had a pretty good idea with using #4 Denzel Ward at corner. The last time someone had a similar idea in New Orleans they lasso'd themselves a Defensive Rookie of the Year.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Like him or laugh at him, the biggest thing I ever saw Mel Kiper get right was "beware the last minute risers that surface especially when the football stops being played."
And ironically enough we need to pay attention that it is Kiper who has pushed Allen to the top. What an f'n joke!
And Mayfield did everything humanly possible to get OK a NC except tackle Sony Michel, who gave them the knockout blows.
And ironically enough we need to pay attention that it is Kiper who has pushed Allen to the top. What an f'n joke!
And Mayfield did everything humanly possible to get OK a NC except tackle Sony Michel, who gave them the knockout blows.
I hear ya! The main reason I've rarely taken Kiper serious in regards to BPA/our biggest needs remains the gigantic conflict of interest in the reality he's a HUGE Ratbird fan. Of course, he wants us taking Josh Allen. Why wouldn't he?
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Thanks Mike, I need a Dead Horse..We took Coleman at #15..We took Cam Terd'ing at #19..We got a 5th rounder from KC trading Erving..Is trading Coleman worth biting that kind of bullet? Sign me up maybe if could get any kind 3rd? where do we fold are tents & keep Coleman? (topic alert..Josh Allen what do you think?)
Thanks Mike, I need a Dead Horse..We took Coleman at #15..We took Cam Terd'ing at #19..We got a 5th rounder from KC trading Erving..Is trading Coleman worth biting that kind of bullet? Sign me up maybe if could get any kind 3rd? where do we fold are tents & keep Coleman? (topic alert..Josh Allen what do you think?)
A 3rd for Coleman? What a wonderful dream THAT is! I have very little faith that he will ever be a keeper.
Mike
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Speaking of thought experiments, I’ve been floating this one around the office. Apologies if it’s been discussed, I’ve been gone.
This is a year where there’s really no consensus #1 but four or five potential first round guys with either great resumes or abnormal physical tools. What is holding each prospect back from being the consensus #1?
What I get is:
For Rosen, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for his personality and concussion concerns.
For Darnold, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for an elongated windup and a less-than-stellar final year.
For Allen, he’d be the consensus #1 if his career completion percentage was 5% better.
For Mayfield, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were three inches taller.
For Jackson, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were heavier and slightly more accurate.
It wasn't that long ego (pre-hindsight 20/20) there was a HUGE "Fail for Cardale" contingent when he was only 3 starts old leading the Buckeyes to a National Championship. Outside of the enormous difference in competition faced, he had a lot of similarities to Josh Allen in the ideal arm strength but accuracy issues. Cardale wrist flicked some of the most beautiful deep passes I've seen without the need for ideal feet/mechanics at least within that short span.
For those with their hearts set on the bionic arm with no need to worry about accuracy kind of QB - we can prolly get Cardale in the very near future at the NFL price equivalent of an Aldi's box of Cheerios if this is all we want again. He's also used to backing up Tyrod Taylor. In the whole scheme of things - is it really any more outrageous than people refusing to bigger picture why Josh Allen has never exceeded mediocrity in high school (as depicted in Major DI scholarship offers) and in college? Now Allen is being pushed all the way up to upper first round consideration/temptation where bad NFL teams are allegedly offering him way easier success? Make sense? It shouldn't. And if he's a project somebody has to wait a year or 2 before there's any comfort starting him - is he really any different than Cardale? Based on what I've seen, coaching up accuracy from someone that has never been accurate is about as easy as seeing a tiger change its stripes.
Like him or laugh at him, the biggest thing I ever saw Mel Kiper get right was "beware the last minute risers that surface especially when the football stops being played."
Like him or laugh at him, the biggest thing I ever saw Mel Kiper get right was "beware the last minute risers that surface especially when the football stops being played."
Which makes it kinda of weird that he's chosen to back Allen...
Zombo said:
That's why I like Darnold. Which of those concerns is the easiest to fix at the pro level?
- No one is getting taller.
- Darnold needs some tinkering, some ball security improvement ... Ok ... Meet Hue Jackson, Todd Haley, Mike Zampese, Drew Stanton ... watch Tyrod Taylor, one of the best ball control QBs in the league for a season.
- Darnold is a gunslinger with a gunslinger mentality ... NFL coaches' job to refine that without losing what you like about him in the first place. He's got a lot of Favre in him. Cool.
Some tinkering and ball security improvement?
Which is easier?
- For Tyrod to show an understudy who is fundamentally sound, taller and more accurate than he is to play as a "short" QB in the NFL... or...
- Fix a "Darnold"?
And don't get me started on Farve...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Like him or laugh at him, the biggest thing I ever saw Mel Kiper get right was "beware the last minute risers that surface especially when the football stops being played."
And ironically enough we need to pay attention that it is Kiper who has pushed Allen to the top. What an f'n joke!
And Mayfield did everything humanly possible to get OK a NC except tackle Sony Michel, who gave them the knockout blows.
And ironically enough we need to pay attention that it is Kiper who has pushed Allen to the top. What an f'n joke!
I could have saved a few pixels had I turned the page...
Tour had a pretty good idea with using #4 Denzel Ward at corner. The last time someone had a similar idea in New Orleans they lasso'd themselves a Defensive Rookie of the Year.
Only "pretty good"?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Like him or laugh at him, the biggest thing I ever saw Mel Kiper get right was "beware the last minute risers that surface especially when the football stops being played."
Which makes it kinda of weird that he's chosen to back Allen...
Zombo said:
That's why I like Darnold. Which of those concerns is the easiest to fix at the pro level?
- No one is getting taller.
- Darnold needs some tinkering, some ball security improvement ... Ok ... Meet Hue Jackson, Todd Haley, Mike Zampese, Drew Stanton ... watch Tyrod Taylor, one of the best ball control QBs in the league for a season.
- Darnold is a gunslinger with a gunslinger mentality ... NFL coaches' job to refine that without losing what you like about him in the first place. He's got a lot of Favre in him. Cool.
Some tinkering and ball security improvement?
Which is easier?
- For Tyrod to show an understudy who is fundamentally sound, taller and more accurate than he is to play as a "short" QB in the NFL... or...
- Fix a "Darnold"?
And don't get me started on Farve...
Which makes it kinda of weird that he's chosen to back Allen...
Like I told Aggies, not if we factor in Mel Kiper is a huge Ratbird fan which makes anything he says about our biggest needs/BPA worthy of the deaf ears his conflict of interest deserves. Of course he wants us taking Josh Allen away from their temptations in Baltimore; especially after they already bit on Kyle Boller's 80 yard throw from 1 knee caliber arm strength despite his lack of accuracy.
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Speaking of thought experiments, I’ve been floating this one around the office. Apologies if it’s been discussed, I’ve been gone.
This is a year where there’s really no consensus #1 but four or five potential first round guys with either great resumes or abnormal physical tools. What is holding each prospect back from being the consensus #1?
What I get is:
For Rosen, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for his personality and concussion concerns.
For Darnold, he’d be the consensus #1 if not for an elongated windup and a less-than-stellar final year.
For Allen, he’d be the consensus #1 if his career completion percentage was 5% better.
For Mayfield, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were three inches taller.
For Jackson, he’d be the consensus #1 if he were heavier and slightly more accurate.
That's why I like Darnold. Which of those concerns is the easiest to fix at the pro level?
No one is getting taller. No one's personality is going away or is getting a clean concussion chart. Accuracy is one of the hardest improvements to make when you jump to the pro level (I think we can all agree at some level on that ... my first foray in this thread, I assume that is the core of all this discussion).
Darnold needs some tinkering, some ball security improvement ... Ok ... Meet Hue Jackson, Todd Haley, Mike Zampese, Drew Stanton ... watch Tyrod Taylor, one of the best ball control QBs in the league for a season.
Darnold is a gunslinger with a gunslinger mentality ... NFL coaches' job to refine that without losing what you like about him in the first place. He's got a lot of Favre in him. Cool.
Personality: He's a dirt dawg ... teammates will love him.
Health: Pretty clean
Accuracy: 65% at Major program
Size: Tall and thick
In my opinion, he is the cleanest prospect, and, also in my opinion, the Browns are going to call his name #1.
We are breathing a lot of smoke right now, but by the day before the draft it will be written on the walls. Best QB on the board.
Zombo
Zombo said:
That's why I like Darnold. Which of those concerns is the easiest to fix at the pro level?
No one is getting taller. No one's personality is going away or is getting a clean concussion chart. Accuracy is one of the hardest improvements to make when you jump to the pro level (I think we can all agree at some level on that ... my first foray in this thread, I assume that is the core of all this discussion).
Darnold needs some tinkering, some ball security improvement ... Ok ... Meet Hue Jackson, Todd Haley, Mike Zampese, Drew Stanton ... watch Tyrod Taylor, one of the best ball control QBs in the league for a season.
Darnold is a gunslinger with a gunslinger mentality ... NFL coaches' job to refine that without losing what you like about him in the first place. He's got a lot of Favre in him. Cool.
Personality: He's a dirt dawg ... teammates will love him.
Health: Pretty clean
Accuracy: 65% at Major program
Size: Tall and thick
In my opinion, he is the cleanest prospect, and, also in my opinion, the Browns are going to call his name #1.
We are breathing a lot of smoke right now, but by the day before the draft it will be written on the walls. Best QB on the board.
Zombo
Fair assessment
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and you might be right but the caution light came on when Dorsey thinks Hue needs talent. Offensive talent clearly. Am more disappointed with Hue's use of Kizer with no other choice behind him. Falls on Sashi too. We'll see who GB tries to slide to PS Kizer or his twin from UCLA Hunley
Gumby, as much as I agree with some of your points - let's be honest about our overall talent. Also, growing pains of inexperience aren't always bad coaching. For example, Ogbah was starting to become the DE we hoped he'd be prior to injury last year. He was the #1 ranked DE against the run by PFF while he was leading us in sacks when he went on IR. That said, when we looked at who had to replace him and Garrett when they were injured - Nassib and Orchard didn't step up nearly as consistently as we needed them to IMO. Another example of improvement in the 2nd year is Joe Schobert partly from growing pains and partly from coaches placing him where he helped us most. I see examples of success where they were possible. But I also see a team that can least afford injuries to starters due to the FO that hasn't had us stacked from top to bottom to the caliber of our AFC North opponents topping us all the time.
Our WR Corps that only included Josh Gordon for 5 games in the last 3 years SUCKED rat dong. Even the T Pryor that was going onto greener grass elsewhere with better QBing and better Offensive Coaching wasn't making them feel good about adding him when he was healthy there. He actually did better here at least to the extent far less were saying don't let the door hit you in the assss on the way out.
Defensively, our secondary was as piss poor as our WR Corps. I think the 31st ranking at intercepting QBs was an accurate depiction. Jamar Taylor was overpaid as soon as Miami deemed him not worthy of keeping around for upside they weren't seeing. We not only brought him in at a FA raise - he got another raise here like our FO was doing us a favor. In a division that starts WRs like Antonio Brown, Michael Crabtree, AJ Green during a passing era - it's going to take more than 2 good edge rushers get these beyostards covered.
While McCourtey played extremely well here up until the ankle injury at least according to PFF and my 2 eyes; his age made him worthy of good bye in TN where they drafted a corner in round 1 to upside/upgrade his spot in their lineup. Gregg Williams had him playing better football than finger LeBeau had him playing. That said, he's on 32 year old legs which don't bounce back from injury right away as we saw and perhaps TN experienced prior to cutting him loose. I DID appreciate him playing through injury even though he wasn't nearly the same performer.
I saw evidence of this team playing well where they were capable of it (ie: against the run). I also saw inexperience and growing pains where I expected to. That said, there's no excuse for the length of time our FOs gave a blind eye to the WR Corps and Secondary in a passing era. It's like we've been asking any QB/victim to play well without giving him the tools to do so. It's like telling a landscaper to go cut lawns without their weed wackers and tractors/mowers while expecting productivity and efficiency. It wasn't just wide eye rookies and inexperienced QBs getting sacked/hit holding onto the ball too long. We saw McCown, RG3&Out, and David Whitehurst doing the same stuff. If we ever do get the healthy/steady edge rush we've been aiming for in the draft - teams are going to challenge our secondary and backers with quicker throws. Tour had a pretty good idea with using #4 Denzel Ward at corner. The last time someone had a similar idea in New Orleans they lasso'd themselves a Defensive Rookie of the Year.
A) let's be honest about our overall talent. B)#4 Denzel Ward at corner. The last time someone had a similar idea in New Orleans they lasso'd themselves a Defensive Rookie of the Year.
A) let's be honest..our previous Talent Evaluators parked at dollar general, hit the dollar tree, than walked into Walmart..For the first time in years with Dorsey, were hearing it's good to have logical disagreements on Player Evaluations..good. Makes Dorsey's job not easy coming from our best talent evaluation team in years..including Haley who holds the play call-sheet.(for now) B.) Saints had the best draft of 31 teams last season..Dorsey has the minds to do it with. But does Dorsey have the single trigger mind to either buy or sell over his own evaluations? We'll hopefully see what we really have in Dorsey ? usually once Haslam puts his foot in his mouth..
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A.) Bullsh!t... three 1st-rounders in one draft ain't Walmart. And that we are hearing about disagreements is not comforting, just means we are leaking more.
B.) I find it curious that you are setting up excuses for a football guy "decider". This is Dorsey's draft... period. He's making every call regardless of how much he personally liked any individual player whose name he turned in. Haslam? Hasn't been a factor in the draft since 2014 that I'm aware of.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And ironically enough we need to pay attention that it is Kiper who has pushed Allen to the top. What an f'n joke!
I could have saved a few pixels had I turned the page...
Tour had a pretty good idea with using #4 Denzel Ward at corner. The last time someone had a similar idea in New Orleans they lasso'd themselves a Defensive Rookie of the Year.
Only "pretty good"?
I could have saved a few pixels had I turned the page...
Only "pretty good"?
#4 Denzel Ward at corner.
The idea is growing on me Tour. Still slightly favoring Chubb at #4. If he's off the board, no problem. Hey, OSU and Cleveland guy- what's not to like? Actually Macedonia- Nordonia HS, same one a couple of my nieces went to. Also the Alma Mater of a guy who stopped by for a cup of coffee on the Browns one year- Jason Trusnic.
LOL, after said niece's wedding having lunch at the local watering hole before her reception- wife asked me why I was taking a picture of Trusnic's Miami jersey framed up on the wall. Told her- you do realize Jason is Sarah's cousin? I didn't have the nerve to ask Jason at the reception for the low-down on the Richie Incognito thing Miami way.
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A.) Bullsh!t... three 1st-rounders in one draft ain't Walmart. And that we are hearing about disagreements is not comforting, just means we are leaking more.
B.) I find it curious that you are setting up excuses for a football guy "decider". This is Dorsey's draft... period. He's making every call regardless of how much he personally liked any individual player whose name he turned in. Haslam? Hasn't been a factor in the draft since 2014 that I'm aware of.
A.) Bullsh!t... three 1st-rounders in one draft ain't Walmart.Your speaking as a Sashi backer.I simply was not a Sashi fan. Of his plan nor of passing of the most key positions on the field to throw more darts to fix it.Sashi's biggest failure was what was found at Walmart.His Talent Evaluators..far different guys than a guy that can build up picks.Clearly Dorsey brought some along for the ride. And that we are hearing about disagreements is not comforting, just means we are leaking more SMOKE. The best talent Evaluators are not coaches. Evaluators fighting Evaluators should win us some good players.Sure some doors are cracked open but someone is going to be right or wrong. The Giants reddick guy? 3 fans act just like him on each internet team in the NFL. As we found out from the other guy that had our Vet QB tagged as Tyrod Taylor?
B.) I find it curious that you are setting up excuses for a football guy "decider". I find it most interesting that Hue Jackson is most peoples excuse.Though the HOF LT may find him as his best head coach This is Dorsey's draft... period. He's making every call regardless of how much he personally liked any individual player whose name he turned in.Seems Dorsey is having a blast with media that feeds fans BS building up to the draft.He certainly took on a challenge for a once fired GM.. Haslam? Hasn't been a factor in the draft since 2014 that I'm aware of.no need to expand on this guy..yes, he pays the bills.But not to Evaluate a players talent..
it's a opinion board^^^. Judge for yourselves..from Dec. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/is-dorsey-right-examining-whether-browns-got-any-real-players-under-sashi-brown/ Tetter,Zeitler,J.Collins sure, nice work Sash.. Sure enough, 12 days from today, we'll be here with opinions if Dorsey was right in day 1..
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Yes... it's an opinion board and I was giving mine.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Josh Allen barely completed over 50% of his passes in high school, below that (49%) at juco level, and continued to be inaccurate at Wyoming.
I truly hope Dorsey and Co. don’t pick this dud.
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Second interview had the same concerns about completion % that many of us have and also said Rosen is the most ready for the NFL right now.
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