It's confirmed ... Sashi Sucked
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It says Sashi's FO was 2d worst prepared...but it never said who was worst.
Also...it cited the botched McCarron trade. But, of course, to me......that action showed that Sashi was fully prepared to take the heat from sabotaging that deal... which sabotage was a stroke of genius, imo. So, I take this with a grain of salt.
One man's fuyuck up is another's stroke of genius.
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I still can’t figure out what Sashi actually did that any drunk dumbass couldn’t have done?
Sign nobody. Check!
Cut any veteran that had a high salary. Check!
Apparently you are not drunk enough as you sure as hell are dumb enough if you think both your checks are true.
Zombo said:
He had a bold plan, a good plan ... but he didn't get the QB and that is why he is gone.
Two years of drafting high with multiple picks got him a qb room that Dorsey traded for a safety and a box of Cracker Jacks.
Meanwhile Jimmy is watching Wentz and Watson, both drafted with our picks, tearing up the league. That will get you fired everytime.
Always amuses when folks want three years to evaluate picks, but pronounce greatness on some after less than two years. That aside...
Jimmy signed off on the plan as well. He got impatient, again. He reneged. It's all on Jimmah now.
Apparently you are not drunk enough as you sure as hell are dumb enough if you think both your checks are true.
Always amuses when folks want three years to evaluate picks, but pronounce greatness on some after less than two years. That aside...
Jimmy signed off on the plan as well. He got impatient, again. He reneged. It's all on Jimmah now.
So is it your opinion that we would be better off today with a draft coming up in a few days with Sashi and Depodesta and their handful of nameless faceless underlings than we are today with Dorsey and his people?
Why would that be if it's true?
WSS
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Sushi is gone.. It's time to move on to the next chapter.. I don't think the Browns are as dire as Ghoulie paints them.. But I'm not ready to proclaim playoffs.. if we go 0-16 or 1-15 again.. Then Jimmy has to seriously consider selling the franchise to capable hands... Obviously Hue would get the hook... You just can't keep losing and expect to be here.. But so far.. Only in Cleveland... I think the Browns are a 4-12 team right now until they show otherwise...
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Those "fans" are cork soakers.
WSS
They are also NOT real fans. REAL Fans would not embarass, belittle, & make fun of their "alleged" team. That isn't support.
Just one old guy's opinion.
Mike
They are also NOT real fans. REAL Fans would not embarass, belittle, & make fun of their "alleged" team. That isn't support.
Just one old guy's opinion.
Mike
I agree. Real fans pay for expensive tickets, parking, beer and food, and let the team belittle and make fun of themselves. I mean, after all, they get paid, we don't.
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In SEWAGE YOU TRUSTED................... IN HOLMGREN YOU TRUSTED.....................WINNING IS OUR POLICY...........................IN SASHI WE TRUST.................IN DORSEY WE TRUST.....
I trust that at some point, you jackoffs are going to see what's going on here. Try this one.......................
"WE'RE A BUNCH OF FAHKING IDIOTS"
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
In SEWAGE YOU TRUSTED................... IN HOLMGREN YOU TRUSTED.....................WINNING IS OUR POLICY...........................IN SASHI WE TRUST.................IN DORSEY WE TRUST.....
I trust that at some point, you jackoffs are going to see what's going on here. Try this one.......................
"WE'RE A BUNCH OF FAHKING IDIOTS"
"WE'RE A BUNCH OF FAHKING IDIOTS"
...so we should just root for the Cleveland Rams, I mean LA Rams now...again..
We have a new GM and OC. They haven't done much wrong yet (besides accept the job). Let's give 'em a chance to screw up first.
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Apparently you are not drunk enough as you sure as hell are dumb enough if you think both your checks are true.
Always amuses when folks want three years to evaluate picks, but pronounce greatness on some after less than two years. That aside...
Jimmy signed off on the plan as well. He got impatient, again. He reneged. It's all on Jimmah now.
So is it your opinion that we would be better off today with a draft coming up in a few days with Sashi and Depodesta and their handful of nameless faceless underlings than we are today with Dorsey and his people?
Why would that be if it's true?
WSS
So is it your opinion that we would be better off today with a draft coming up in a few days with Sashi and Depodesta and their handful of nameless faceless underlings than we are today with Dorsey and his people?
Why would that be if it's true?
Ask me again in a week, Steve... and again in a year. Right now, based upon the dealing to date, I think it's a push.
But I will say why I think Sashi & DePo & Co. could be better... because their consensus process was meant to be risk adverse.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So is it your opinion that we would be better off today with a draft coming up in a few days with Sashi and Depodesta and their handful of nameless faceless underlings than we are today with Dorsey and his people?
Why would that be if it's true?
Ask me again in a week, Steve... and again in a year. Right now, based upon the dealing to date, I think it's a push.
But I will say why I think Sashi & DePo & Co. could be better... because their consensus process was meant to be risk adverse.
Ask me again in a week, Steve... and again in a year. Right now, based upon the dealing to date, I think it's a push.
But I will say why I think Sashi & DePo & Co. could be better... because their consensus process was meant to be risk adverse.
Sashi did a lot of positive things for the Browns. The way he approached everything was all about building value and flexibility, but he isn't an evaluator and wasn't able to satisfy organizational goals of doing so while also keeping the team competitive. Haslam's idiotic involvement and empowering Jackson didn't help. There was a natural divide b/t "football minds" and more objective viewers who have to think on a macro level--Hue Jackson and most coaches are micro guys. Jackson may have undermined Sashi as well, but I can't prove that.
That said, this "agent study" was subjectively based on a general perception that likely involved some sour grapes from agents who were unable to scalp the Browns and make their guys rich. I'm sure Rosenhaus was a strong voice in the study [his response itself and influence on his peers].
Sashi did a decent job but probably should have never been in the position he was given. He could have succeeded and added important value as a member, not a leader, of a front office team, though.
Dorsey and the guys he has brought in should do a good job executing the plan Sashi developed, and the team should win more games than it has in the last couple seasons. I like the idea of building slowly, and being bad for one season is palatable, but 1-31 is unacceptable. Jackson should also be gone, but that's a convo for another day.
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Zombo said:
He had a bold plan, a good plan ... but he didn't get the QB and that is why he is gone.
Two years of drafting high with multiple picks got him a qb room that Dorsey traded for a safety and a box of Cracker Jacks.
Meanwhile Jimmy is watching Wentz and Watson, both drafted with our picks, tearing up the league. That will get you fired everytime.
He did do a great job of setting us with picks and cap aplenty, and here's to Dorsey taking the ball and spiking it in the end zone.
Doesn't matter to me who gets the glory .. Just win.
Zombo
Actually if the number 1 and number 4 pic as well as all the others were the goal he did exactly what he should have done.
I would have kept Josh McCown and not drafted Deshawn Kizer, preferring another kid to possibly groom, but without the destruction of the team we might have one for games and probably knocked us out of the running for the Blue Chip players. Choose your poison I guess. Now the goal is to not blow the opportunity we suffered for.
PS Carson Wentz is only Carson Wentz because he was on a team good enough to win a Superbowl with a journeyman. And Watson would have been laying in a room at the University Hospital instead of SMU.
WSS
PS Carson Wentz is only Carson Wentz because he was on a team good enough to win a Superbowl with a journeyman. And Watson would have been laying in a room at the University Hospital instead of SMU.
WSS
Westside, I couldn't have said this any better. Wentz went to one of the best teams in the NFL and he wasn't even there for the SB. And Goff at the Rams is also better than the Browns. This team will be turned around and all the nay sayers will either shut their mouths, or wake up and truly support the team.
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Sashi sucked butt. Shmuck him.
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So is it your opinion that we would be better off today with a draft coming up in a few days with Sashi and Depodesta and their handful of nameless faceless underlings than we are today with Dorsey and his people?
Why would that be if it's true?
Ask me again in a week, Steve... and again in a year. Right now, based upon the dealing to date, I think it's a push.
But I will say why I think Sashi & DePo & Co. could be better... because their consensus process was meant to be risk adverse.
Ask me again in a week, Steve... and again in a year. Right now, based upon the dealing to date, I think it's a push.
But I will say why I think Sashi & DePo & Co. could be better... because their consensus process was meant to be risk adverse.
Fair enough. I'm going to assume that there's more weight on the parcel of picks they accumulated than the free agents they signed or players they drafted or cut because we won't know for a year. At least?
Do you think the team was meant to go 0 and 16 last season or was that just bad luck? Meaning they expected to suck maybe 2 and 14 but were caught off guard as to how bad it actually was?
WSS
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Ask me again in a week, Steve... and again in a year. Right now, based upon the dealing to date, I think it's a push.
But I will say why I think Sashi & DePo & Co. could be better... because their consensus process was meant to be risk adverse.
Fair enough. I'm going to assume that there's more weight on the parcel of picks they accumulated than the free agents they signed or players they drafted or cut because we won't know for a year. At least?
Do you think the team was meant to go 0 and 16 last season or was that just bad luck? Meaning they expected to suck maybe 2 and 14 but were caught off guard as to how bad it actually was?
WSS
Fair enough. I'm going to assume that there's more weight on the parcel of picks they accumulated than the free agents they signed or players they drafted or cut because we won't know for a year. At least?
Do you think the team was meant to go 0 and 16 last season or was that just bad luck? Meaning they expected to suck maybe 2 and 14 but were caught off guard as to how bad it actually was?
WSS
You didn't ask me but I don't think anyone anticipated Kizer being as bad as he was... anyone inside the Browns' org at least. Joe T getting hurt wasn't really planned for either, since it had literally never happened before. Lots of variables, but I do think the team knew it was going to be terrible and team lockerroom leadership didn't do much to inspire the troops.
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Ask me again in a week, Steve... and again in a year. Right now, based upon the dealing to date, I think it's a push.
But I will say why I think Sashi & DePo & Co. could be better... because their consensus process was meant to be risk adverse.
Fair enough. I'm going to assume that there's more weight on the parcel of picks they accumulated than the free agents they signed or players they drafted or cut because we won't know for a year. At least?
Do you think the team was meant to go 0 and 16 last season or was that just bad luck? Meaning they expected to suck maybe 2 and 14 but were caught off guard as to how bad it actually was?
WSS
Fair enough. I'm going to assume that there's more weight on the parcel of picks they accumulated than the free agents they signed or players they drafted or cut because we won't know for a year. At least?
WSS
Right there is correct. It's a near slam-dunk a QB will be drafted and sit. Basically, the fan base is being asked to be patient yet again because the so-called franchise QB won't play. It buys time for Hue and his staff.
Unless they appear unprepared, uninspired. For the most part, the 0-16 season the Browns played hard, except vs Cincy at home.
Not our team, but let's see how McCarron plays in Buffalo. If the Bills exceed the 9-7 record Tyrod posted, then sashi was wrong about McCarron. I thank Sashi for not making that trade, it was way too much.
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Fair enough. I'm going to assume that there's more weight on the parcel of picks they accumulated than the free agents they signed or players they drafted or cut because we won't know for a year. At least?
Do you think the team was meant to go 0 and 16 last season or was that just bad luck? Meaning they expected to suck maybe 2 and 14 but were caught off guard as to how bad it actually was?
WSS
You didn't ask me but I don't think anyone anticipated Kizer being as bad as he was... anyone inside the Browns' org at least. Joe T getting hurt wasn't really planned for either, since it had literally never happened before. Lots of variables, but I do think the team knew it was going to be terrible and team lockerroom leadership didn't do much to inspire the troops.
You didn't ask me but I don't think anyone anticipated Kizer being as bad as he was... anyone inside the Browns' org at least. Joe T getting hurt wasn't really planned for either, since it had literally never happened before. Lots of variables, but I do think the team knew it was going to be terrible and team lockerroom leadership didn't do much to inspire the troops.
I sure did Mike... Anyone who bothered to watch his games at ND could have seen it a mile away... Stinkus Maximus...
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In SEWAGE YOU TRUSTED................... IN HOLMGREN YOU TRUSTED.....................WINNING IS OUR POLICY...........................IN SASHI WE TRUST.................IN DORSEY WE TRUST.....
I trust that at some point, you jackoffs are going to see what's going on here. Try this one.......................
"WE'RE A BUNCH OF FAHKING IDIOTS"
In SEWAGE YOU TRUSTED................... IN HOLMGREN YOU TRUSTED.....................WINNING IS OUR POLICY...........................IN SASHI WE TRUST.................IN DORSEY WE TRUST.....
I trust that at some point, you jackoffs are going to see what's going on here. Try this one.......................
"WE'RE A BUNCH OF FAHKING IDIOTS"
We didn't necessarily trust them. We just had no freaking choice but to try to do so because those are the guys in charge and we had not one goddamn thing to say about it.
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You didn't ask me but I don't think anyone anticipated Kizer being as bad as he was... anyone inside the Browns' org at least. Joe T getting hurt wasn't really planned for either, since it had literally never happened before. Lots of variables, but I do think the team knew it was going to be terrible and team lockerroom leadership didn't do much to inspire the troops.
I sure did Mike... Anyone who bothered to watch his games at ND could have seen it a mile away... Stinkus Maximus...
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Weird, a bunch of agents called a GM who was knowingly tanking, getting rid of overpaid veterans, purposely sabotaging terrible trades by a head coach, and accurately assessing what his free agents values were, didn't like Sashi Brown...NO WAY?! Sashi told the world what he was going to gut the roster, gain as many draft picks as possible and in 3 years make a big push for veterans, but Jimmy fast fingers couldn't handle the heat and canned him after 2 years. Dorsey is going to get all of the credit for this turn around but Sashi never had a chance. I like the Dorsey hire and believe Dorsey is the right man running this team but I was hoping there could have been a mutual partnership and Sashi was not let go. Sashi deserves more credit than he gets.
Weird, a bunch of agents called a GM who was knowingly tanking, getting rid of overpaid veterans, purposely sabotaging terrible trades by a head coach, and accurately assessing what his free agents values were, didn't like Sashi Brown...NO WAY?! Sashi told the world what he was going to gut the roster, gain as many draft picks as possible and in 3 years make a big push for veterans, but Jimmy fast fingers couldn't handle the heat and canned him after 2 years. Dorsey is going to get all of the credit for this turn around but Sashi never had a chance. I like the Dorsey hire and believe Dorsey is the right man running this team but I was hoping there could have been a mutual partnership and Sashi was not let go. Sashi deserves more credit than he gets.
This is a smart post
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Ask me again in a week, Steve... and again in a year. Right now, based upon the dealing to date, I think it's a push.
But I will say why I think Sashi & DePo & Co. could be better... because their consensus process was meant to be risk adverse.
Sashi did a lot of positive things for the Browns. The way he approached everything was all about building value and flexibility, but he isn't an evaluator and wasn't able to satisfy organizational goals of doing so while also keeping the team competitive. Haslam's idiotic involvement and empowering Jackson didn't help. There was a natural divide b/t "football minds" and more objective viewers who have to think on a macro level--Hue Jackson and most coaches are micro guys. Jackson may have undermined Sashi as well, but I can't prove that.
That said, this "agent study" was subjectively based on a general perception that likely involved some sour grapes from agents who were unable to scalp the Browns and make their guys rich. I'm sure Rosenhaus was a strong voice in the study [his response itself and influence on his peers].
Sashi did a decent job but probably should have never been in the position he was given. He could have succeeded and added important value as a member, not a leader, of a front office team, though.
Dorsey and the guys he has brought in should do a good job executing the plan Sashi developed, and the team should win more games than it has in the last couple seasons. I like the idea of building slowly, and being bad for one season is palatable, but 1-31 is unacceptable. Jackson should also be gone, but that's a convo for another day.
Sashi did a lot of positive things for the Browns. The way he approached everything was all about building value and flexibility, but he isn't an evaluator and wasn't able to satisfy organizational goals of doing so while also keeping the team competitive. Haslam's idiotic involvement and empowering Jackson didn't help. There was a natural divide b/t "football minds" and more objective viewers who have to think on a macro level--Hue Jackson and most coaches are micro guys. Jackson may have undermined Sashi as well, but I can't prove that.
I wrote about the process ad nauseum here and Sashi's unique role among GMs. It was a bold experiment in developing an FO in parallel with "the team". Developing an FO that was not dependent upon any one "guy". An experiment that Jimmah simply lacked the fortitude to see thru to the end. Sashi, in the GM role, was the key. I suspect Jackson was in Jimmah's ear looking out for #1, but it was when "consultant" Dorsey got in Jimmah's other ear that Sashi's end was inevitable.
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Fair enough. I'm going to assume that there's more weight on the parcel of picks they accumulated than the free agents they signed or players they drafted or cut because we won't know for a year. At least?
Do you think the team was meant to go 0 and 16 last season or was that just bad luck? Meaning they expected to suck maybe 2 and 14 but were caught off guard as to how bad it actually was?
WSS
You didn't ask me but I don't think anyone anticipated Kizer being as bad as he was... anyone inside the Browns' org at least. Joe T getting hurt wasn't really planned for either, since it had literally never happened before. Lots of variables, but I do think the team knew it was going to be terrible and team lockerroom leadership didn't do much to inspire the troops.
You didn't ask me but I don't think anyone anticipated Kizer being as bad as he was... anyone inside the Browns' org at least. Joe T getting hurt wasn't really planned for either, since it had literally never happened before. Lots of variables, but I do think the team knew it was going to be terrible and team lockerroom leadership didn't do much to inspire the troops.
Your take is always interesting Mike. I didn't want him in the first place but I can't imagine how any rookie would be successful thrown into the fire with the worst team in the league.
As far as the draft I'm less impressed by Myles Garrett than I think I should be. Benefit of the doubt that could change. I kind of like David Njoku who seems like a value pick and the book is still out on peppers. Kizer even though he was mishandled looks like a strike out. If the idea was to sabotage him and the team to rise in the draft order then I guess cutting Josh McCown was a good idea. Not, however, if at least be competitive last year was a goal.
WSS
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Sashi did a lot of positive things for the Browns. The way he approached everything was all about building value and flexibility, but he isn't an evaluator and wasn't able to satisfy organizational goals of doing so while also keeping the team competitive. Haslam's idiotic involvement and empowering Jackson didn't help. There was a natural divide b/t "football minds" and more objective viewers who have to think on a macro level--Hue Jackson and most coaches are micro guys. Jackson may have undermined Sashi as well, but I can't prove that.
I wrote about the process ad nauseum here and Sashi's unique role among GMs. It was a bold experiment in developing an FO in parallel with "the team". Developing an FO that was not dependent upon any one "guy". An experiment that Jimmah simply lacked the fortitude to see thru to the end. Sashi, in the GM role, was the key. I suspect Jackson was in Jimmah's ear looking out for #1, but it was when "consultant" Dorsey got in Jimmah's other ear that Sashi's end was inevitable.
I wrote about the process ad nauseum here and Sashi's unique role among GMs. It was a bold experiment in developing an FO in parallel with "the team". Developing an FO that was not dependent upon any one "guy". An experiment that Jimmah simply lacked the fortitude to see thru to the end. Sashi, in the GM role, was the key. I suspect Jackson was in Jimmah's ear looking out for #1, but it was when "consultant" Dorsey got in Jimmah's other ear that Sashi's end was inevitable.
Never underestimate the power of the intentional/unintentional screwup of the McCarron deal. That would be a major part of Hue in one ear for sure.
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