How Can/Will The Browns Blow It? Or Not?
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1- Jared Goff - looks like a keeper. Rams are a promising team for 2018.
2 -Jam Winston - Bust. Terrible QB draft. Mariota is fair.
3- Andy Luck - Always injured
4- Cam Newton - Better than average. Made it to a Super Bowl and choked.
5- Sam Bradford - Always injured.
6- Matt Stafford - Better than average.
7- Jamarcus Russel - Bust
8- Alex Smith - Better than average
9- E Manning - Enough said.
10- Carson Palmer - Better than average.
11- David Carr - Bust from day 1.
12- Mike Vick - Bust. Tarkentons dont make it in todays NFL, but some teams think that they do.
13- Tim Couch - Enough said.
14- P Manning - HOF Enough said.
15- Drew Bledsoe - Better than average.
16- Jeff George - Bust.
17- Troy Aikman - HOF Enough said.
18- Vinny Testaverde - Better than average.
19- Bernie Kosar -
20- Steve Young - HOF
21- John Elway - HOF
Available in the 2018 draft I take 1 of these 7 - Elway, Young, Kosar, Aikman, P Manning, E Manning and Jared Goff.
GM grounds for firing on draft day if 1 of these 6 - Couch, George, Carr, Vick, Russel and Winston.
Post season QBs these 5 - Testaverde, Palmer, Luck, Newton and Smith.
Overrated these 3- Bledsoe, Stafford and Bradford. Luck too.
Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.
But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.
I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break. Both Carr and Couch were the first pick of teams that up to that point were just paper teams. And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries. And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.
Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.
But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.
I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break. Both Carr and Couch were the first pick of teams that up to that point were just paper teams. And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries. And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.
Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.
Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.
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ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
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ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
One of these drafts luck will change for the better.
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This should be the best Draft the Browns have had since they took Jim Brown. It is also the easiest draft to proceed properly.
1) There are three big, promising QBs available.There is no consensus as to which is best. Any, or all 3 of them may turn out to be great QBs. As lonf as the Browns get one of them, they will have satisfied the responsibility of taking a shot at a top QB prospect.
2) Barkley is the best player in the draft.
Barkley with #1. One of the top QBs left at #4.
ANy other move will be AGAIN, a draft that come back to make the Browns look stupid.
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Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.
But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.
I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break. Both Carr and Couch were the first pick of teams that up to that point were just paper teams. And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries. And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.
Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.
Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.
Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.
Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.
Well...it WAS Couch who "lead" the team that year. Holcomb started a couple of games due to Couch's injuries, plus the playoff game. Torn Rotator Cuff AND torn Labrum caused Couch's demise.
Passing
No. Player Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Team Total 26.3 16 9-7-0 338 552 61.2 3665 27 4.9 22 4.0 78 6.6 5.8 10.8 229.1 80.5 35 253 5.81 5.05 6.0 4 5 Opp Total 16 299 513 58.3 3441 20 3.9 17 3.3 6.7 6.00 11.5 215.1 77.8 28 172 6.0 5.4 5.2 2 Tim Couch 25 QB 14 14 8-6-0 273 443 61.6 2842 18 4.1 18 4.1 78 6.4 5.4 10.4 203.0 76.8 30 213 5.56 4.61 6.3 3 4 10 Kelly Holcomb 29 qb 4 2 1-1-0 64 106 60.4 790 8 7.5 4 3.8 44 7.5 7.3 12.3 197.5 92.9 5 40 6.76 6.58 4.5 1 1 85 Kevin Johnson 26 WR 16 15 1 2 50.0 33 1 50.0 0 0.0 33 16.5 26.5 33.0 2.1 135.4 0 0 16.50 26.50 0.0 88 Frisman Jackson 23 7 0 0 1 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 39.6 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.0 -
ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
Well.....that is in fact their track record. Of course, it is also hindsight.
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This should be the best Draft the Browns have had since they took Jim Brown. It is also the easiest draft to proceed properly.
1) There are three big, promising QBs available.There is no consensus as to which is best. Any, or all 3 of them may turn out to be great QBs. As lonf as the Browns get one of them, they will have satisfied the responsibility of taking a shot at a top QB prospect.
2) Barkley is the best player in the draft.
Barkley with #1. One of the top QBs left at #4.
ANy other move will be AGAIN, a draft that come back to make the Browns look stupid.
This should be the best Draft the Browns have had since they took Jim Brown. It is also the easiest draft to proceed properly.
1) There are three big, promising QBs available.There is no consensus as to which is best. Any, or all 3 of them may turn out to be great QBs. As lonf as the Browns get one of them, they will have satisfied the responsibility of taking a shot at a top QB prospect.
2) Barkley is the best player in the draft.
Barkley with #1. One of the top QBs left at #4.
ANy other move will be AGAIN, a draft that come back to make the Browns look stupid.
Barkley's best moves are with pom poms in his hands. He will be nothing more than a cheerleader. He will continue the long tradition of First round Penn State RB busts: Kijana Carter, Curtis Enis, Blair Thomas.
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Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD College/Univ 1 2011 6 177 Evan Royster RB 23 WAS 2011 2013 0 0 0 4 32 2 81 416 2 25 180 0 Penn St. College Stats 2 2007 3 90 Tony Hunt RB 21 PHI 2007 2008 0 0 0 0 14 2 14 25 2 6 42 0 Penn St. College Stats 3 2004 7 241 Sean McHugh FB 22 TEN 2004 2008 0 0 1 2 40 17 23 301 0 Penn St. College Stats 4 2003 1 27 Larry Johnson RB 23 KAN 2003 2011 1 2 4 51 85 55 1427 6223 55 154 1373 6 Penn St. College Stats 5 2002 4 107 Omar Easy FB 24 KAN 2002 2005 0 0 0 0 53 0 4 1 0 6 42 1 Penn St. College Stats 6 1998 1 5 Curtis Enis RB 22 CHI 1998 2000 0 0 1 10 36 18 456 1497 4 59 428 2 Penn St. College Stats 7 1996 3 92 Jon Witman RB 24 PIT 1996 2001 0 0 3 3 85 43 37 129 0 39 263 0 Penn St. College Stats 8 1996 4 115 Brian Milne RB 23 IND 1996 2000 0 0 2 3 63 38 36 126 4 57 324 1 Penn St. College Stats 9 1996 6 198 Stephen Pitts RB SFO 0 0 0 Penn St. College Stats 10 1996 7 218 Mike Archie RB 23 HOU 1996 1998 0 0 0 0 23 0 6 24 1 5 25 0 Penn St. College Stats 11 1995 1 1 Ki-Jana Carter RB 21 CIN 1996 2004 0 0 0 12 59 14 319 1144 20 66 469 1 Penn St. College Stats 12 1993 6 144 Richie Anderson FB 21 NYJ 1993 2004 0 1 5 29 161 82 318 1274 4 400 3149 14 Penn St. College Stats 13 1992 8 205 Sam Gash FB 23 NWE 1992 2003 0 2 5 13 177 78 121 327 2 169 1347 13 Penn St. College Stats 14 1991 6 158 Leroy Thompson RB 22 PIT 1991 1996 0 0 0 18 80 9 404 1390 6 153 1193 5 Penn St. College Stats 15 1991 8 214 Gary Brown RB 22 HOU 1991 1999 0 0 3 27 99 47 1032 4300 21 84 631 3 Penn St. College Stats 16 1990 1 2 Blair Thomas RB 22 NYJ 1990 1995 0 0 3 20 64 36 533 2236 7 71 513 2 Penn St. College Stats 17 1987 1 14 D.J. Dozier RB 21 MIN 1987 1991 0 0 0 8 43 11 172 691 7 33 301 2 Penn St. College Stats 18 1987 3 80 Tim Manoa RB 22 CLE 1987 1991 0 0 1 9 53 24 236 938 6 40 308 2 Penn St. College Stats 19 1987 3 81 Steve Smith RB 23 RAI 1987 1995 0 0 6 20 128 91 429 1627 9 131 1250 13 Penn St. College Stats 20 1985 12 328 Tony Mumford RB 22 NWE 1985 1985 0 0 0 0 2 0 Penn St. College Stats 21 1984 3 70 Jon Williams RB 23 NWE 1984 1984 0 0 0 0 9 0 Penn St. College Stats 22 1983 1 3 Curt Warner RB 22 SEA 1983 1990 0 3 6 60 100 94 1698 6844 56 193 1467 7 Penn St. College Stats 23 1982 5 126 Mike Meade RB 22 GNB 1982 1985 0 0 0 3 49 8 72 261 1 21 126 2 Penn St. College Stats 24 1981 1 28 Booker Moore RB 22 BUF 1982 1985 0 0 2 6 51 32 115 420 1 75 423 1 Penn St. College Stats 25 1980 2 46 Matt Suhey RB 22 CHI 1980 1989 0 0 7 34 148 100 828 2946 20 260 2113 5 Penn St. College Stats 26 1980 6 154 Mike Guman RB 22 RAM 1980 1988 0 0 4 24 106 52 342 1286 11 150 1433 4 Penn St. College Stats 27 1979 6 145 Bob Torrey RB 22 NYG 1979 1980 0 0 0 1 14 0 13 61 1 2 3 0 Penn St. College Stats 28 1978 6 155 Steve Geise RB CIN 0 0 0 Penn St. College Stats 29 1975 4 102 Tom Donchez RB 23 BUF 1975 1975 0 0 0 0 14 0 Penn St. College Stats 30 1974 1 11 John Cappelletti RB 22 RAM 1974 1983 0 0 5 34 105 63 824 2951 24 135 1233 4 Penn St. College Stats Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD College/Univ College_link 31 1974 5 106 Gary Hayman RB 22 BUF 1974 1975 0 0 0 0 15 0 17 61 0 Penn St. College Stats 32 1972 1 13 Franco Harris HOF RB 22 PIT 1972 1984 1 9 12 102 173 162 2949 12120 91 307 2287 9 Penn St. College Stats 33 1972 2 48 Lydell Mitchell RB 23 BAL 1972 1980 0 3 6 90 111 84 1675 6534 30 376 3203 17 Penn St. College Stats 34 1970 3 58 Charlie Pittman RB 22 STL 1970 1971 0 0 0 0 18 0 4 7 0 Penn St. College Stats 35 1967 16 415 Mike Irwin HB BUF 0 0 0 Penn St. College Stats 36 1966 8 116 Don Kunit HB DAL 0 0 0 Penn St. College Stats Not much since the early 70s....though, I guess Larry Johnson is pretty good. Didn't even realize he was a Penn Stater.
I guess Curt Warner (not Kurt Warner)....from 1983 was pretty good.
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Dumb logic. THere is absolutely no statistical, emotional, moral, physical data from this schidt chart that indicates anything about how well Barkley will perform. His genetics, drive, intelligence and physical abilities are not affected in any way by what school he chose to attend.
The reason the Browns blow is because of the exact mental masturbation you just performed. Browns culture is literally an example of just how stupid human beings can be. Instead of looking at the man, you wasted time in your life assembling a fukcing chart that has no meaning for the upcoming draft. This is why my picks and predictions are always more accurate than people like you.
Again, there are three QBs who all offer a high degree of promise. HOWEVER............. can you tell me which one is best? You can't. And neither can anyone else. The top three are even odds. You are just as likely to strike paydirt picking first, as you are taking the last one left. So, only to a dickhead would it make sense to use #1 #1 on a pick that does not give you a draft advantage.
QB at #1 #1? Yeas, for idiots like you and Browns management.
The proper draft strategy. The ONLY draft strategy for Cleveland is BARLEY #1 (Clear cut best player in the draft)......... and a QB out of the top three that is left.
FURTHERMORE........................ Taking Barkley #1 GUARANTEES we get one of the top 3 QBs. Taking a QB at #1 guarantees that at #4..........we really won't have a clear cut BEST to use the pick on.
The reason the Cleveland Browns are 1- 31...and I have told you morons this all along, is because they PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in drafting the premium play making prospects.
Whether or not Barkley pans out isn't even the issue. The issue is, ALL the experts pretty much see him as the best football player in this draft. Why a team would have a chance to take the best player in the draft and not take it? Only a fukcing idiotic, imbecile of a human being could understand. But then again...........THAT is Browns culture................. LOSER CLUTIRE.
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Dumb logic. THere is absolutely no statistical, emotional, moral, physical data from this schidt chart that indicates anything about how well Barkley will perform. His genetics, drive, intelligence and physical abilities are not affected in any way by what school he chose to attend.
The reason the Browns blow is because of the exact mental masturbation you just performed. Browns culture is literally an example of just how stupid human beings can be. Instead of looking at the man, you wasted time in your life assembling a fukcing chart that has no meaning for the upcoming draft. This is why my picks and predictions are always more accurate than people like you.
Again, there are three QBs who all offer a high degree of promise. HOWEVER............. can you tell me which one is best? You can't. And neither can anyone else. The top three are even odds. You are just as likely to strike paydirt picking first, as you are taking the last one left. So, only to a dickhead would it make sense to use #1 #1 on a pick that does not give you a draft advantage.
QB at #1 #1? Yeas, for idiots like you and Browns management.
The proper draft strategy. The ONLY draft strategy for Cleveland is BARLEY #1 (Clear cut best player in the draft)......... and a QB out of the top three that is left.
FURTHERMORE........................ Taking Barkley #1 GUARANTEES we get one of the top 3 QBs. Taking a QB at #1 guarantees that at #4..........we really won't have a clear cut BEST to use the pick on.
The reason the Cleveland Browns are 1- 31...and I have told you morons this all along, is because they PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in drafting the premium play making prospects.
Whether or not Barkley pans out isn't even the issue. The issue is, ALL the experts pretty much see him as the best football player in this draft. Why a team would have a chance to take the best player in the draft and not take it? Only a fukcing idiotic, imbecile of a human being could understand. But then again...........THAT is Browns culture................. LOSER CLUTIRE.
Dumb logic. THere is absolutely no statistical, emotional, moral, physical data from this schidt chart that indicates anything about how well Barkley will perform. His genetics, drive, intelligence and physical abilities are not affected in any way by what school he chose to attend.
No shite Sherlock....you are just now getting around to figuring out this is a lot of bullshite? Congratulations...your intellect is now at 3rd grade level.
The reason the Browns blow is because of the exact mental masturbation you just performed.
No, it isn't you pompous wanker....I have nothing to do with how the Browns make their decisions. Nor do you...nor any other fan. To suggest otherwise is cretinous.
Browns culture is literally an example of just how stupid human beings can be. Instead of looking at the man, you wasted time in your life assembling a fukcing chart that has no meaning for the upcoming draft.
Again...no, it isn't. Jane you ignorant slut. Browns culture has nothing to do with but a few human beings on this earth...the owners and the GMs and the coaches. I simply spent time doing something that was entertaining to me and provocative to others. Congratulations, not only have you attained third grade intellect....you have just been named Boob of the year for falling for this. I didn't even have to add sinkers to the line to catch you.
This is why my picks and predictions are always more accurate than people like you.
No, they are not, you just lie about what predictions you have made. Most of your predictions have been of the Paxton Lynch variety...off by miles.
Again, there are three QBs who all offer a high degree of promise. HOWEVER............. can you tell me which one is best? You can't. And neither can anyone else. The top three are even odds. You are just as likely to strike paydirt picking first, as you are taking the last one left. So, only to a dickhead would it make sense to use #1 #1 on a pick that does not give you a draft advantage.
Welll....it looks like perhaps you have graduated to a 4th grade intellect. You got at least one thing something close to right in your tantrum. These QBs ARE hard to distinguish....and one you get at 4 could very well be just as good or better as one you get at #1.
QB at #1 #1? Yeas, for idiots like you and Browns management.
The more you type....the more it is evident that you only concentrate on your own navel lint. Did you see the thread that ME, Myself, and I started called The Prudent Solution? Go back and read what I said before you begin regurgitating your own jizm. I said to think about not taking a QB until the late 1st/early 2d round.
The proper draft strategy. The ONLY draft strategy for Cleveland is BARLEY #1 (Clear cut best player in the draft)......... and a QB out of the top three that is left.
FURTHERMORE........................ Taking Barkley #1 GUARANTEES we get one of the top 3 QBs. Taking a QB at #1 guarantees that at #4..........we really won't have a clear cut BEST to use the pick on.
Actually....the better strategy would be to take Chubb #1....and to leave the merengue dancer out on the dance floor. He just won't be that good.
The reason the Cleveland Browns are 1- 31...and I have told you morons this all along, is because they PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in drafting the premium play making prospects.
Yea, sure they refuse on purpose. You really are a Gump, aren't you. Where did we find you....on a park bench in Savannah?
Whether or not Barkley pans out isn't even the issue. The issue is, ALL the experts pretty much see him as the best football player in this draft. Why a team would have a chance to take the best player in the draft and not take it? Only a fukcing idiotic, imbecile of a human being could understand. But then again...........THAT is Browns culture................. LOSER CLUTIRE.
Of course whether or not Barkley pans out is the issue. The failure of Richardson, or Coleman, or Quinn/Manziel/Weeden etc. etc to pan out sure as hell has been "THE ISSUE". The failures of the offensive skill players they have chosen over the years is what has resulted in this losing culture (aside from having loser fans like you) Barkley would just be another one of those in the long line. I agree that the Browns should NOT fail to take the best player in this draft....only problem for you is that The Squaw ain't the best player.
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Dumb logic. THere is absolutely no statistical, emotional, moral, physical data from this schidt chart that indicates anything about how well Barkley will perform. His genetics, drive, intelligence and physical abilities are not affected in any way by what school he chose to attend.
No shite Sherlock....you are just now getting around to figuring out this is a lot of bullshite? Congratulations...your intellect is now at 3rd grade level.
The reason the Browns blow is because of the exact mental masturbation you just performed.
No, it isn't you pompous wanker....I have nothing to do with how the Browns make their decisions. Nor do you...nor any other fan. To suggest otherwise is cretinous.
Browns culture is literally an example of just how stupid human beings can be. Instead of looking at the man, you wasted time in your life assembling a fukcing chart that has no meaning for the upcoming draft.
Again...no, it isn't. Jane you ignorant slut. Browns culture has nothing to do with but a few human beings on this earth...the owners and the GMs and the coaches. I simply spent time doing something that was entertaining to me and provocative to others. Congratulations, not only have you attained third grade intellect....you have just been named Boob of the year for falling for this. I didn't even have to add sinkers to the line to catch you.
This is why my picks and predictions are always more accurate than people like you.
No, they are not, you just lie about what predictions you have made. Most of your predictions have been of the Paxton Lynch variety...off by miles.
Again, there are three QBs who all offer a high degree of promise. HOWEVER............. can you tell me which one is best? You can't. And neither can anyone else. The top three are even odds. You are just as likely to strike paydirt picking first, as you are taking the last one left. So, only to a dickhead would it make sense to use #1 #1 on a pick that does not give you a draft advantage.
Welll....it looks like perhaps you have graduated to a 4th grade intellect. You got at least one thing something close to right in your tantrum. These QBs ARE hard to distinguish....and one you get at 4 could very well be just as good or better as one you get at #1.
QB at #1 #1? Yeas, for idiots like you and Browns management.
The more you type....the more it is evident that you only concentrate on your own navel lint. Did you see the thread that ME, Myself, and I started called The Prudent Solution? Go back and read what I said before you begin regurgitating your own jizm. I said to think about not taking a QB until the late 1st/early 2d round.
The proper draft strategy. The ONLY draft strategy for Cleveland is BARLEY #1 (Clear cut best player in the draft)......... and a QB out of the top three that is left.
FURTHERMORE........................ Taking Barkley #1 GUARANTEES we get one of the top 3 QBs. Taking a QB at #1 guarantees that at #4..........we really won't have a clear cut BEST to use the pick on.
Actually....the better strategy would be to take Chubb #1....and to leave the merengue dancer out on the dance floor. He just won't be that good.
The reason the Cleveland Browns are 1- 31...and I have told you morons this all along, is because they PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in drafting the premium play making prospects.
Yea, sure they refuse on purpose. You really are a Gump, aren't you. Where did we find you....on a park bench in Savannah?
Whether or not Barkley pans out isn't even the issue. The issue is, ALL the experts pretty much see him as the best football player in this draft. Why a team would have a chance to take the best player in the draft and not take it? Only a fukcing idiotic, imbecile of a human being could understand. But then again...........THAT is Browns culture................. LOSER CLUTIRE.
Of course whether or not Barkley pans out is the issue. The failure of Richardson, or Coleman, or Quinn/Manziel/Weeden etc. etc to pan out sure as hell has been "THE ISSUE". The failures of the offensive skill players they have chosen over the years is what has resulted in this losing culture (aside from having loser fans like you) Barkley would just be another one of those in the long line. I agree that the Browns should NOT fail to take the best player in this draft....only problem for you is that The Squaw ain't the best player.
Gip, please, turn your O2 tank back on.
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Sorry I haven't posted in awhile guys, but I have noticed a few things here, some good and some bad. I'll just go over some highlights.
Ghoolie made a point, and whether you want to look at it as good/bad is your call. Barkley coming from Penn State doesn't matter for his production, BUT there are schools who are known for quality positions, not all to do with the player, but the COACHING. Penn State is known as LB U, and Wisconsin turns out great OL. Then there are schools who just turn out great players, such as Alabama, Ohio State, USC, etc.
There are 4 guys who are looked at as top QB prospects, I have no clue who will be the best, but I think the safest pick is Darnold, and biggest boom or bust is Allen.
You guys have to give Ghoolie credit, he has now said 3 QBs, meaning he is either easing up a bit or covering his bases. I don't mind Ghoolie, and he wont admit it, but he has mentioned in past 3 different QB as top, Jackson, Baker, Rosen.
But I HAVE to get after you Ghoolie for your last statement. Saying it doesn't matter how Barkley pans out as he is consensus top player so they aren't making a mistake. Last year, Garrett was even higher consensus top player and that was wrong? Whether you like Garrett or Barkley is a moot point for your argument, for THAT argument, you CANT have it both ways.
Hope everyone enjoys the draft tomorrow. God Bless
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Tour- all time W-L, 90-123-1. Turrible, just turrible. Sure, he played on some bad teams, but I'd still take Archie Manning over Vinny.
Kosar 53 - 54 -1 Also Turrible.
Fran Tarkenton 246 - 239 HOF
Brian Sipe 57 - 55
Bradshaw 107 - 51 14 - 5 in playoffs. Greatest QB of all time.
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Gip, please, turn your O2 tank back on.
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