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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @the-gipper said:

    Well....see that seems that is all you got out of your profession.   I am self employed, never got paychecks....except for the small ones from my part time magistrates job.

    I have had to nurture a practice to get paid, thus I have done all that civic duty shite... You know like serving as Board President for like 5 different entities. Serving on City Council, Zoning Boards...etc. etc.   You know, stuff where leadership was required to get things done....even if it meant being the sole "decider". 

    Every keystroke continues to prove you have no idea what consensus decision making is about.

    @tour2ma said:

    Every keystroke continues to prove you have no idea what consensus decision making is about.

    I know Tour. We're discussed it before. The concept of true consensus decision making is something that's far, far beyond the ability of normal humans being able to grasp. It takes a minimum of a Law degree from Harvard or a PhD from MIT to be able to fully understand it. There has to be a time where there's no consensus, and somebody has to make a decision. If you browbeat the dissenters into your POV, that's not consensus. Or it's three votes for Garrett, 2 for Trubisky- it's Garrett. 

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @tour2ma said:

    Every keystroke continues to prove you have no idea what consensus decision making is about.

    I know Tour. We're discussed it before. The concept of true consensus decision making is something that's far, far beyond the ability of normal humans being able to grasp. It takes a minimum of a Law degree from Harvard or a PhD from MIT to be able to fully understand it. There has to be a time where there's no consensus, and somebody has to make a decision. If you browbeat the dissenters into your POV, that's not consensus. Or it's three votes for Garrett, 2 for Trubisky- it's Garrett. 

    @hoorta said:

    There has to be a time where there's no consensus, and somebody has to make a decision.

    Sorry, h., but that's just not the case.

    Failing to reach consensus is a decision... one of two possible decisions. That is what it is hard for some folks to understand.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Anyone else find it ironic that the "football guy" just took statistically and analytically the best qb in college fb at #1 DESPITE all the other analysis saying take the other guys? 

    Tour2maT Mike HM The GipperT 3 Replies
  • B Bigalow80

    Anyone else find it ironic that the "football guy" just took statistically and analytically the best qb in college fb at #1 DESPITE all the other analysis saying take the other guys? 

    @bigalow80 said:

    Anyone else find it ironic that the "football guy" just took statistically and analytically the best qb in college fb at #1 DESPITE all the other analysis saying take the other guys? 

    Me...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • B Bigalow80

    Anyone else find it ironic that the "football guy" just took statistically and analytically the best qb in college fb at #1 DESPITE all the other analysis saying take the other guys? 

    @bigalow80 said:

    Anyone else find it ironic that the "football guy" just took statistically and analytically the best qb in college fb at #1 DESPITE all the other analysis saying take the other guys? 

    Mayfield is a hybrid. I tweeted this earlier... he's right at the intersection of football guy street and data darling avenue.

  • Mike HM Mike H

    @bigalow80 said:

    Anyone else find it ironic that the "football guy" just took statistically and analytically the best qb in college fb at #1 DESPITE all the other analysis saying take the other guys? 

    Mayfield is a hybrid. I tweeted this earlier... he's right at the intersection of football guy street and data darling avenue.

    @mike-h said:

    Mayfield is a hybrid. I tweeted this earlier... he's right at the intersection of football guy street and data darling avenue.

    Stat monster with a football guy attytude...

    Just have a feeling that he's been as good as he's ever gonna be and I'm not confident that the 'tude translates.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @mike-h said:

    Mayfield is a hybrid. I tweeted this earlier... he's right at the intersection of football guy street and data darling avenue.

    Stat monster with a football guy attytude...

    Just have a feeling that he's been as good as he's ever gonna be and I'm not confident that the 'tude translates.

    @tour2ma said:

    Stat monster with a football guy attytude...

    Just have a feeling that he's been as good as he's ever gonna be and I'm not confident that the 'tude translates.

    If the tude doesn't translate, and he's truly capped out, then he'll come down to earth pretty damn quickly. Let's hope neither are true.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • B Bigalow80

    Anyone else find it ironic that the "football guy" just took statistically and analytically the best qb in college fb at #1 DESPITE all the other analysis saying take the other guys? 

    @bigalow80 said:

    Anyone else find it ironic that the "football guy" just took statistically and analytically the best qb in college fb at #1 DESPITE all the other analysis saying take the other guys? 

    I am not sure ironic is the right word.   Perhaps logical is a better word.

  • Mike HM Mike H

    @tour2ma said:

    Stat monster with a football guy attytude...

    Just have a feeling that he's been as good as he's ever gonna be and I'm not confident that the 'tude translates.

    If the tude doesn't translate, and he's truly capped out, then he'll come down to earth pretty damn quickly. Let's hope neither are true.

    @mike-h said:

    If the tude doesn't translate, and he's truly capped out, then he'll come down to earth pretty damn quickly. Let's hope neither are true.

    I see the "tude" as being a bit  Namath like....or Favre-ish".    But it will be his talent, not his 'tude that matters.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mike-h said:

    If the tude doesn't translate, and he's truly capped out, then he'll come down to earth pretty damn quickly. Let's hope neither are true.

    I see the "tude" as being a bit  Namath like....or Favre-ish".    But it will be his talent, not his 'tude that matters.

    @the-gipper said:

    But it will be his talent, not his 'tude that matters.

    Possibly, but Baker feels like one of those guys where the two are closely linked.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @the-gipper said:

    But it will be his talent, not his 'tude that matters.

    Possibly, but Baker feels like one of those guys where the two are closely linked.

    @tour2ma said:

    Possibly, but Baker feels like one of those guys where the two are closely linked.

    Yea, but without the latter, the former won't matter.  All the swag on earth won't make you play better if you don't have the capability.  The swag can maybe ramp up the talent a bit....but that base talent must be there.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • One little "stat" I heard this morning concerned whether his height might be a problem or not. He actually had the lowest rate of "blocked" passes of all the QBs in the draft. Interesting huh?

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @tour2ma said:

    Possibly, but Baker feels like one of those guys where the two are closely linked.

    Yea, but without the latter, the former won't matter.  All the swag on earth won't make you play better if you don't have the capability.  The swag can maybe ramp up the talent a bit....but that base talent must be there.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea, but without the latter, the former won't matter.

    And vice versa... whcih was my point.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea, but without the latter, the former won't matter.

    And vice versa... whcih was my point.

    @tour2ma said:

    And vice versa... whcih was my point.

    Well....I don't know.  Can a QB be good without any swag?  While, yes, I think every QB has to have a lot of Chutzpah......it seems that some may appear to be somnolent, though they likely are not. 

    Look at a few of the ones that have played for the Browns the last umpteen years.

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