Denzel Ward
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I can't believe people don't see the value in this pic
Me "neither".
Most of us expected a fs like Minkah - but the Browns secondary has been arguably the worst in the NFL. Hue?/sassy sachi didn't see it. Dorsey sure did. TODD HALEY sure the hell did. How many times was it that the defense held an offense for three downs, and the offense laughed and just threw the ball for another first down?
That is why both starting cb's will be gone, I suppose. Taylor was a weak link, and although I thought McCourty played well, he was traded.
I was surprised at cb, since the cb depth in the draft was nice. But I LOVE the pick.
1. He's an outstanding shutdown corner. The Browns have desperately needed another Hanford Dixon. They got him. Hanford was 5' 11". EDIT: Ward may be a sixteenth of an inch shorter - but NFL.com has him at 5' 11".
2. Ward has 31 1/4 inch arms. That is a bit over the average I think. 4.32 forty, vertical jump 39", and broad jump 136 ", folks - that is over eleven feet.
3. Ward is outstanding in the smarts dept, instinctive bigtime, and plays the run fearlessly.
4. Nfl.com has his grade at 6.31. That's very high. Immediate starter, imho - a future pro bowl corner.
5. Outstanding character - Donte Jackson and Ward both took part in a youth clinic - loves the game...
That's my take - the Browns just got their "Hanford Dixon". I won't be surprised if they draft another cb.
Me "neither".
Most of us expected a fs like Minkah - but the Browns secondary has been arguably the worst in the NFL. Hue?/sassy sachi didn't see it. Dorsey sure did. TODD HALEY sure the hell did. How many times was it that the defense held an offense for three downs, and the offense laughed and just threw the ball for another first down?
That is why both starting cb's will be gone, I suppose. Taylor was a weak link, and although I thought McCourty played well, he was traded.
I was surprised at cb, since the cb depth in the draft was nice. But I LOVE the pick.
1. He's an outstanding shutdown corner. The Browns have desperately needed another Hanford Dixon. They got him. Hanford was 5' 11". EDIT: Ward may be a sixteenth of an inch shorter - but NFL.com has him at 5' 11".
2. Ward has 31 1/4 inch arms. That is a bit over the average I think. 4.32 forty, vertical jump 39", and broad jump 136 ", folks - that is over eleven feet.
3. Ward is outstanding in the smarts dept, instinctive bigtime, and plays the run fearlessly.
4. Nfl.com has his grade at 6.31. That's very high. Immediate starter, imho - a future pro bowl corner.
5. Outstanding character - Donte Jackson and Ward both took part in a youth clinic - loves the game...
That's my take - the Browns just got their "Hanford Dixon". I won't be surprised if they draft another cb.
Right on. I also would not bet that the Browns may even nab another CB....maybe even in round 2. It seems to be a position of some depth in this draft.
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I think if the Browns add Landry in the top of the 2nd, this pick makes even more sense. You get the top rated corner and IMOP, the second best pass rusher in the draft.
I think if the Browns add Landry in the top of the 2nd, this pick makes even more sense. You get the top rated corner and IMOP, the second best pass rusher in the draft.
Bill Polian says Landry is a one trick pony....and not even the best at that one trick.
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Plus Joe Haden is 5 foot 11 inches and 190 lb.
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Plus Joe Haden is 5 foot 11 inches and 190 lb.
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Joe's 40 time: 4.57s
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Plus Joe Haden is 5 foot 11 inches and 190 lb.
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Joe's 40 time: 4.57s
Joe's 40 time: 4.57s
And what? Ward was 4.32? That is pretty fast.
Does he return punts?
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Except every piece of evidence we have says it's not
My friend is a scout for an NFL team: Mo is off his team’s board. At least one team is still concerned
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Yep, a f'n joke.
dude aint a joke he can play,,,,,,But no way in hell do you draft him over Chubb
dude aint a joke he can play,,,,,,But no way in hell do you draft him over Chubb
Syd, you're a smart dude so hear me out. What did Chubb accomplish that Ogbah is so incapable of? Chubb had 10 sacks in 2016 and 10 sacks in 2017 at the college level while Ogbah had 10 sacks in 2014 and 12.5 sacks in 2015 in his soph and junior seasons. Ogbah was the #1 rated DE in the NFL against the run by PFF prior to getting injured while he also led this team in sacks.
We drafted Ogbah at #32 overall in 2016 before drafting Garrett at #1 overall in 2017. That isn't exactly the neglect to the edge rush our fan base is getting all nipple twisted about. What we haven't done is DRAFT anyone good enough to cover guys like Antonio Brown, AJ Green and Michael Crabtree.
Did you watch our opener last year? We bottled up their running game while we didn't have a player that could cover/prevent Antonio Brown from going over 180 yards receiving. Quicker edge rush wasn't going to keep the ball out of his hands. A better corner could challenged him far more then the never we've been witnessing. Opposing QBs had the highest or 2nd highest completion % against our secondary so Ward is a GREAT plan to help us combat this.
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dude aint a joke he can play,,,,,,But no way in hell do you draft him over Chubb
Syd, you're a smart dude so hear me out. What did Chubb accomplish that Ogbah is so incapable of? Chubb had 10 sacks in 2016 and 10 sacks in 2017 at the college level while Ogbah had 10 sacks in 2014 and 12.5 sacks in 2015 in his soph and junior seasons. Ogbah was the #1 rated DE in the NFL against the run by PFF prior to getting injured while he also led this team in sacks.
We drafted Ogbah at #32 overall in 2016 before drafting Garrett at #1 overall in 2017. That isn't exactly the neglect to the edge rush our fan base is getting all nipple twisted about. What we haven't done is DRAFT anyone good enough to cover guys like Antonio Brown, AJ Green and Michael Crabtree.
Did you watch our opener last year? We bottled up their running game while we didn't have a player that could cover/prevent Antonio Brown from going over 180 yards receiving. Quicker edge rush wasn't going to keep the ball out of his hands. A better corner could challenged him far more then the never we've been witnessing. Opposing QBs had the highest or 2nd highest completion % against our secondary so Ward is a GREAT plan to help us combat this.
Syd, you're a smart dude so hear me out. What did Chubb accomplish that Ogbah is so incapable of? Chubb had 10 sacks in 2016 and 10 sacks in 2017 at the college level while Ogbah had 10 sacks in 2014 and 12.5 sacks in 2015 in his soph and junior seasons. Ogbah was the #1 rated DE in the NFL against the run by PFF prior to getting injured while he also led this team in sacks.
We drafted Ogbah at #32 overall in 2016 before drafting Garrett at #1 overall in 2017. That isn't exactly the neglect to the edge rush our fan base is getting all nipple twisted about. What we haven't done is DRAFT anyone good enough to cover guys like Antonio Brown, AJ Green and Michael Crabtree.
Did you watch our opener last year? We bottled up their running game while we didn't have a player that could cover/prevent Antonio Brown from going over 180 yards receiving. Quicker edge rush wasn't going to keep the ball out of his hands. A better corner could challenged him far more then the never we've been witnessing. Opposing QBs had the highest or 2nd highest completion % against our secondary so Ward is a GREAT plan to help us combat this.
i allways have liked Ogbah and he really made a difference last year until he was hurt ,can he stay healthy ? also i thought a rotation of garrett ogbah and chubb could be pretty amazing But that being said I do believe Ward will be a pro bowler I was just shocked to hear his name called when Bpa (chubb) was there
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Except every piece of evidence we have says it's not
My friend is a scout for an NFL team: Mo is off his team’s board. At least one team is still concerned
My friend is a scout for an NFL team: Mo is off his team’s board. At least one team is still concerned
It may move him down to a round teams are willing to roll the dice on him Mike.
Stanford's Harrison Phillips is a bigger dude at 6'3" 300 lbs that actually had comparable-favorable stats for whatever they're worth. Aside from that he's got the wrestling background that taught/reinforced winning with leverage.
He had 102 tackles in 14 games with 16.5 TFL and 7 sacks
In comparison, Hurst is 6'1" 285 lbs
61 tackles in 13 games 14.5 TFL 5 sacks
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Plus Joe Haden is 5 foot 11 inches and 190 lb.
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WSS
Plus Joe Haden is 5 foot 11 inches and 190 lb.
?
WSS
And before he got his contract re-newed, AJ Green will be the first guy to tell you that once upon a time in Cleveland no corner frustrated him more than Haden. And to be honest, he used to be a damn good tackler in spite of that size especially in the open field. I like the highlight of Ward lighting up that TE.
After Haden got his dream contract here - he could never stay healthy which invited skeptics and mistrust from fans that once appreciated the earlier Joe.
As for Ward, that was a pretty awesome highlight of him lighting up that TE. I'm kind of stunned at the negative response he's getting especially considering how often some of our fans have complained about us avoiding promising prospects from The Ohio State.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
My friend is a scout for an NFL team: Mo is off his team’s board. At least one team is still concerned
It may move him down to a round teams are willing to roll the dice on him Mike.
Stanford's Harrison Phillips is a bigger dude at 6'3" 300 lbs that actually had comparable-favorable stats for whatever they're worth. Aside from that he's got the wrestling background that taught/reinforced winning with leverage.
He had 102 tackles in 14 games with 16.5 TFL and 7 sacks
In comparison, Hurst is 6'1" 285 lbs
61 tackles in 13 games 14.5 TFL 5 sacks
It may move him down to a round teams are willing to roll the dice on him Mike.
Stanford's Harrison Phillips is a bigger dude at 6'3" 300 lbs that actually had comparable-favorable stats for whatever they're worth. Aside from that he's got the wrestling background that taught/reinforced winning with leverage.
He had 102 tackles in 14 games with 16.5 TFL and 7 sacks
In comparison, Hurst is 6'1" 285 lbs
61 tackles in 13 games 14.5 TFL 5 sacks
Interested to see which guy had more pressures. Hurst at a glance seems to be more disruptive.
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Syd, you're a smart dude so hear me out. What did Chubb accomplish that Ogbah is so incapable of? Chubb had 10 sacks in 2016 and 10 sacks in 2017 at the college level while Ogbah had 10 sacks in 2014 and 12.5 sacks in 2015 in his soph and junior seasons. Ogbah was the #1 rated DE in the NFL against the run by PFF prior to getting injured while he also led this team in sacks.
We drafted Ogbah at #32 overall in 2016 before drafting Garrett at #1 overall in 2017. That isn't exactly the neglect to the edge rush our fan base is getting all nipple twisted about. What we haven't done is DRAFT anyone good enough to cover guys like Antonio Brown, AJ Green and Michael Crabtree.
Did you watch our opener last year? We bottled up their running game while we didn't have a player that could cover/prevent Antonio Brown from going over 180 yards receiving. Quicker edge rush wasn't going to keep the ball out of his hands. A better corner could challenged him far more then the never we've been witnessing. Opposing QBs had the highest or 2nd highest completion % against our secondary so Ward is a GREAT plan to help us combat this.
i allways have liked Ogbah and he really made a difference last year until he was hurt ,can he stay healthy ? also i thought a rotation of garrett ogbah and chubb could be pretty amazing But that being said I do believe Ward will be a pro bowler I was just shocked to hear his name called when Bpa (chubb) was there
i allways have liked Ogbah and he really made a difference last year until he was hurt ,can he stay healthy ? also i thought a rotation of garrett ogbah and chubb could be pretty amazing But that being said I do believe Ward will be a pro bowler I was just shocked to hear his name called when Bpa (chubb) was there
Chubb looks more like a beneficiary of a disappointing supply of edge rushers for the demand more than he looks like the next Reggie White.
In a passing era, a secondary without any corners that can cover makes about as much sense as handing a smart phone to a dumb user. Why bother right? Well, we haven't bothered until we selected Ward.
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It may move him down to a round teams are willing to roll the dice on him Mike.
Stanford's Harrison Phillips is a bigger dude at 6'3" 300 lbs that actually had comparable-favorable stats for whatever they're worth. Aside from that he's got the wrestling background that taught/reinforced winning with leverage.
He had 102 tackles in 14 games with 16.5 TFL and 7 sacks
In comparison, Hurst is 6'1" 285 lbs
61 tackles in 13 games 14.5 TFL 5 sacks
Interested to see which guy had more pressures. Hurst at a glance seems to be more disruptive.
Interested to see which guy had more pressures. Hurst at a glance seems to be more disruptive.
I am too. Yeah, Hurst is really quick and looks like a handful. Mike brings up legit concerns and I'm guessing whoever takes him uses him in the rotation wisely.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
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If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
Are we reading the same thread Bac? People are complaining about drafting him in lieu of Chubb. I actually tried to remind them we finally drafted a Buckeye after people have been complaining about the Browns previous tendencies of avoiding Buckeyes at all costs.
I don't want him BECAUSE he's a Buckeye - although looking at the recent reputation of reliable young DBs they are putting onto NFL teams should have me reconsidering that. The guy has good film plus a proud Combine workout to back it.
Outside of QB, Corner was easily our biggest need in the draft especially considering the WRs in our division. Time to start competing where we should like our 1-31 record reminds us.
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While I would’ve gone with Chubb, it’s a win-win in my book and I’m not gonna complain about bringing in a guy like Ward.
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If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
Are we reading the same thread Bac? People are complaining about drafting him in lieu of Chubb. I actually tried to remind them we finally drafted a Buckeye after people have been complaining about the Browns previous tendencies of avoiding Buckeyes at all costs.
I don't want him BECAUSE he's a Buckeye - although looking at the recent reputation of reliable young DBs they are putting onto NFL teams should have me reconsidering that. The guy has good film plus a proud Combine workout to back it.
Outside of QB, Corner was easily our biggest need in the draft especially considering the WRs in our division. Time to start competing where we should like our 1-31 record reminds us.
Are we reading the same thread Bac? People are complaining about drafting him in lieu of Chubb. I actually tried to remind them we finally drafted a Buckeye after people have been complaining about the Browns previous tendencies of avoiding Buckeyes at all costs.
I don't want him BECAUSE he's a Buckeye - although looking at the recent reputation of reliable young DBs they are putting onto NFL teams should have me reconsidering that. The guy has good film plus a proud Combine workout to back it.
Outside of QB, Corner was easily our biggest need in the draft especially considering the WRs in our division. Time to start competing where we should like our 1-31 record reminds us.
There are many in here defending the pick. I think many of the sunshine pumpers called Joe Haden a shutdown corner, how many games did we win with him and how long was his shelf life?
The rules in the NFL are designed to allow the passing game to flourish and when you can’t pressure the QB it really doesn’t matter how good the DBs are. And if I’m not mistaken Baker threw for 330 against OSU’s defense.
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Are we reading the same thread Bac? People are complaining about drafting him in lieu of Chubb. I actually tried to remind them we finally drafted a Buckeye after people have been complaining about the Browns previous tendencies of avoiding Buckeyes at all costs.
I don't want him BECAUSE he's a Buckeye - although looking at the recent reputation of reliable young DBs they are putting onto NFL teams should have me reconsidering that. The guy has good film plus a proud Combine workout to back it.
Outside of QB, Corner was easily our biggest need in the draft especially considering the WRs in our division. Time to start competing where we should like our 1-31 record reminds us.
There are many in here defending the pick. I think many of the sunshine pumpers called Joe Haden a shutdown corner, how many games did we win with him and how long was his shelf life?
The rules in the NFL are designed to allow the passing game to flourish and when you can’t pressure the QB it really doesn’t matter how good the DBs are. And if I’m not mistaken Baker threw for 330 against OSU’s defense.
There are many in here defending the pick. I think many of the sunshine pumpers called Joe Haden a shutdown corner, how many games did we win with him and how long was his shelf life?
The rules in the NFL are designed to allow the passing game to flourish and when you can’t pressure the QB it really doesn’t matter how good the DBs are. And if I’m not mistaken Baker threw for 330 against OSU’s defense.
Never understood this argument.
If we had Aaron Donald and won all of maybe one more game with him in the same time frame, you could still say the same thing and be all BUT HOW MANY GAMES HE WIN US BRUH!?!? Losing doesn't preclude us from having a quality player at any given position. It's a team game and we addressed a position of need with a top rated player. A bit higher than I'd like, but addressed none-the-less.
Let's not make this harder than it has to be.
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If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
I don’t live in Ohio and graduated from Marshall University. I don’t have any reason to pull for a Buckeye. I really liked the Ward pick.
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Plus Joe Haden is 5 foot 11 inches and 190 lb.
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WSS
And before he got his contract re-newed, AJ Green will be the first guy to tell you that once upon a time in Cleveland no corner frustrated him more than Haden. And to be honest, he used to be a damn good tackler in spite of that size especially in the open field. I like the highlight of Ward lighting up that TE.
After Haden got his dream contract here - he could never stay healthy which invited skeptics and mistrust from fans that once appreciated the earlier Joe.
As for Ward, that was a pretty awesome highlight of him lighting up that TE. I'm kind of stunned at the negative response he's getting especially considering how often some of our fans have complained about us avoiding promising prospects from The Ohio State.
And before he got his contract re-newed, AJ Green will be the first guy to tell you that once upon a time in Cleveland no corner frustrated him more than Haden. And to be honest, he used to be a damn good tackler in spite of that size especially in the open field. I like the highlight of Ward lighting up that TE.
After Haden got his dream contract here - he could never stay healthy which invited skeptics and mistrust from fans that once appreciated the earlier Joe.
As for Ward, that was a pretty awesome highlight of him lighting up that TE. I'm kind of stunned at the negative response he's getting especially considering how often some of our fans have complained about us avoiding promising prospects from The Ohio State.
The negativity is because the Browns took a guy at #4 that they thought should have maybe gone at #7.....and passed on a guy that some thought could be gone at #2.........even though the guy we took played at a much bigger need than the guy we passed on.
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While I would’ve gone with Chubb, it’s a win-win in my book and I’m not gonna complain about bringing in a guy like Ward.
While I would’ve gone with Chubb, it’s a win-win in my book and I’m not gonna complain about bringing in a guy like Ward.
Totally agree.
I would have preferred Chubb, possibly Fitzpatrick, but I'm fine with Ward - even if I think he's a bit of a reach at #4. (He's a tad on the smallish side if I were to nitpick)
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