Denzel Ward
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Except every piece of evidence we have says it's not
My friend is a scout for an NFL team: Mo is off his team’s board. At least one team is still concerned
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Yep, a f'n joke.
dude aint a joke he can play,,,,,,But no way in hell do you draft him over Chubb
dude aint a joke he can play,,,,,,But no way in hell do you draft him over Chubb
Syd, you're a smart dude so hear me out. What did Chubb accomplish that Ogbah is so incapable of? Chubb had 10 sacks in 2016 and 10 sacks in 2017 at the college level while Ogbah had 10 sacks in 2014 and 12.5 sacks in 2015 in his soph and junior seasons. Ogbah was the #1 rated DE in the NFL against the run by PFF prior to getting injured while he also led this team in sacks.
We drafted Ogbah at #32 overall in 2016 before drafting Garrett at #1 overall in 2017. That isn't exactly the neglect to the edge rush our fan base is getting all nipple twisted about. What we haven't done is DRAFT anyone good enough to cover guys like Antonio Brown, AJ Green and Michael Crabtree.
Did you watch our opener last year? We bottled up their running game while we didn't have a player that could cover/prevent Antonio Brown from going over 180 yards receiving. Quicker edge rush wasn't going to keep the ball out of his hands. A better corner could challenged him far more then the never we've been witnessing. Opposing QBs had the highest or 2nd highest completion % against our secondary so Ward is a GREAT plan to help us combat this.
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dude aint a joke he can play,,,,,,But no way in hell do you draft him over Chubb
Syd, you're a smart dude so hear me out. What did Chubb accomplish that Ogbah is so incapable of? Chubb had 10 sacks in 2016 and 10 sacks in 2017 at the college level while Ogbah had 10 sacks in 2014 and 12.5 sacks in 2015 in his soph and junior seasons. Ogbah was the #1 rated DE in the NFL against the run by PFF prior to getting injured while he also led this team in sacks.
We drafted Ogbah at #32 overall in 2016 before drafting Garrett at #1 overall in 2017. That isn't exactly the neglect to the edge rush our fan base is getting all nipple twisted about. What we haven't done is DRAFT anyone good enough to cover guys like Antonio Brown, AJ Green and Michael Crabtree.
Did you watch our opener last year? We bottled up their running game while we didn't have a player that could cover/prevent Antonio Brown from going over 180 yards receiving. Quicker edge rush wasn't going to keep the ball out of his hands. A better corner could challenged him far more then the never we've been witnessing. Opposing QBs had the highest or 2nd highest completion % against our secondary so Ward is a GREAT plan to help us combat this.
Syd, you're a smart dude so hear me out. What did Chubb accomplish that Ogbah is so incapable of? Chubb had 10 sacks in 2016 and 10 sacks in 2017 at the college level while Ogbah had 10 sacks in 2014 and 12.5 sacks in 2015 in his soph and junior seasons. Ogbah was the #1 rated DE in the NFL against the run by PFF prior to getting injured while he also led this team in sacks.
We drafted Ogbah at #32 overall in 2016 before drafting Garrett at #1 overall in 2017. That isn't exactly the neglect to the edge rush our fan base is getting all nipple twisted about. What we haven't done is DRAFT anyone good enough to cover guys like Antonio Brown, AJ Green and Michael Crabtree.
Did you watch our opener last year? We bottled up their running game while we didn't have a player that could cover/prevent Antonio Brown from going over 180 yards receiving. Quicker edge rush wasn't going to keep the ball out of his hands. A better corner could challenged him far more then the never we've been witnessing. Opposing QBs had the highest or 2nd highest completion % against our secondary so Ward is a GREAT plan to help us combat this.
i allways have liked Ogbah and he really made a difference last year until he was hurt ,can he stay healthy ? also i thought a rotation of garrett ogbah and chubb could be pretty amazing But that being said I do believe Ward will be a pro bowler I was just shocked to hear his name called when Bpa (chubb) was there
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Except every piece of evidence we have says it's not
My friend is a scout for an NFL team: Mo is off his team’s board. At least one team is still concerned
My friend is a scout for an NFL team: Mo is off his team’s board. At least one team is still concerned
It may move him down to a round teams are willing to roll the dice on him Mike.
Stanford's Harrison Phillips is a bigger dude at 6'3" 300 lbs that actually had comparable-favorable stats for whatever they're worth. Aside from that he's got the wrestling background that taught/reinforced winning with leverage.
He had 102 tackles in 14 games with 16.5 TFL and 7 sacks
In comparison, Hurst is 6'1" 285 lbs
61 tackles in 13 games 14.5 TFL 5 sacks
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Plus Joe Haden is 5 foot 11 inches and 190 lb.
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WSS
Plus Joe Haden is 5 foot 11 inches and 190 lb.
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WSS
And before he got his contract re-newed, AJ Green will be the first guy to tell you that once upon a time in Cleveland no corner frustrated him more than Haden. And to be honest, he used to be a damn good tackler in spite of that size especially in the open field. I like the highlight of Ward lighting up that TE.
After Haden got his dream contract here - he could never stay healthy which invited skeptics and mistrust from fans that once appreciated the earlier Joe.
As for Ward, that was a pretty awesome highlight of him lighting up that TE. I'm kind of stunned at the negative response he's getting especially considering how often some of our fans have complained about us avoiding promising prospects from The Ohio State.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
My friend is a scout for an NFL team: Mo is off his team’s board. At least one team is still concerned
It may move him down to a round teams are willing to roll the dice on him Mike.
Stanford's Harrison Phillips is a bigger dude at 6'3" 300 lbs that actually had comparable-favorable stats for whatever they're worth. Aside from that he's got the wrestling background that taught/reinforced winning with leverage.
He had 102 tackles in 14 games with 16.5 TFL and 7 sacks
In comparison, Hurst is 6'1" 285 lbs
61 tackles in 13 games 14.5 TFL 5 sacks
It may move him down to a round teams are willing to roll the dice on him Mike.
Stanford's Harrison Phillips is a bigger dude at 6'3" 300 lbs that actually had comparable-favorable stats for whatever they're worth. Aside from that he's got the wrestling background that taught/reinforced winning with leverage.
He had 102 tackles in 14 games with 16.5 TFL and 7 sacks
In comparison, Hurst is 6'1" 285 lbs
61 tackles in 13 games 14.5 TFL 5 sacks
Interested to see which guy had more pressures. Hurst at a glance seems to be more disruptive.
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Syd, you're a smart dude so hear me out. What did Chubb accomplish that Ogbah is so incapable of? Chubb had 10 sacks in 2016 and 10 sacks in 2017 at the college level while Ogbah had 10 sacks in 2014 and 12.5 sacks in 2015 in his soph and junior seasons. Ogbah was the #1 rated DE in the NFL against the run by PFF prior to getting injured while he also led this team in sacks.
We drafted Ogbah at #32 overall in 2016 before drafting Garrett at #1 overall in 2017. That isn't exactly the neglect to the edge rush our fan base is getting all nipple twisted about. What we haven't done is DRAFT anyone good enough to cover guys like Antonio Brown, AJ Green and Michael Crabtree.
Did you watch our opener last year? We bottled up their running game while we didn't have a player that could cover/prevent Antonio Brown from going over 180 yards receiving. Quicker edge rush wasn't going to keep the ball out of his hands. A better corner could challenged him far more then the never we've been witnessing. Opposing QBs had the highest or 2nd highest completion % against our secondary so Ward is a GREAT plan to help us combat this.
i allways have liked Ogbah and he really made a difference last year until he was hurt ,can he stay healthy ? also i thought a rotation of garrett ogbah and chubb could be pretty amazing But that being said I do believe Ward will be a pro bowler I was just shocked to hear his name called when Bpa (chubb) was there
i allways have liked Ogbah and he really made a difference last year until he was hurt ,can he stay healthy ? also i thought a rotation of garrett ogbah and chubb could be pretty amazing But that being said I do believe Ward will be a pro bowler I was just shocked to hear his name called when Bpa (chubb) was there
Chubb looks more like a beneficiary of a disappointing supply of edge rushers for the demand more than he looks like the next Reggie White.
In a passing era, a secondary without any corners that can cover makes about as much sense as handing a smart phone to a dumb user. Why bother right? Well, we haven't bothered until we selected Ward.
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It may move him down to a round teams are willing to roll the dice on him Mike.
Stanford's Harrison Phillips is a bigger dude at 6'3" 300 lbs that actually had comparable-favorable stats for whatever they're worth. Aside from that he's got the wrestling background that taught/reinforced winning with leverage.
He had 102 tackles in 14 games with 16.5 TFL and 7 sacks
In comparison, Hurst is 6'1" 285 lbs
61 tackles in 13 games 14.5 TFL 5 sacks
Interested to see which guy had more pressures. Hurst at a glance seems to be more disruptive.
Interested to see which guy had more pressures. Hurst at a glance seems to be more disruptive.
I am too. Yeah, Hurst is really quick and looks like a handful. Mike brings up legit concerns and I'm guessing whoever takes him uses him in the rotation wisely.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
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If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
Are we reading the same thread Bac? People are complaining about drafting him in lieu of Chubb. I actually tried to remind them we finally drafted a Buckeye after people have been complaining about the Browns previous tendencies of avoiding Buckeyes at all costs.
I don't want him BECAUSE he's a Buckeye - although looking at the recent reputation of reliable young DBs they are putting onto NFL teams should have me reconsidering that. The guy has good film plus a proud Combine workout to back it.
Outside of QB, Corner was easily our biggest need in the draft especially considering the WRs in our division. Time to start competing where we should like our 1-31 record reminds us.
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While I would’ve gone with Chubb, it’s a win-win in my book and I’m not gonna complain about bringing in a guy like Ward.
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If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
Are we reading the same thread Bac? People are complaining about drafting him in lieu of Chubb. I actually tried to remind them we finally drafted a Buckeye after people have been complaining about the Browns previous tendencies of avoiding Buckeyes at all costs.
I don't want him BECAUSE he's a Buckeye - although looking at the recent reputation of reliable young DBs they are putting onto NFL teams should have me reconsidering that. The guy has good film plus a proud Combine workout to back it.
Outside of QB, Corner was easily our biggest need in the draft especially considering the WRs in our division. Time to start competing where we should like our 1-31 record reminds us.
Are we reading the same thread Bac? People are complaining about drafting him in lieu of Chubb. I actually tried to remind them we finally drafted a Buckeye after people have been complaining about the Browns previous tendencies of avoiding Buckeyes at all costs.
I don't want him BECAUSE he's a Buckeye - although looking at the recent reputation of reliable young DBs they are putting onto NFL teams should have me reconsidering that. The guy has good film plus a proud Combine workout to back it.
Outside of QB, Corner was easily our biggest need in the draft especially considering the WRs in our division. Time to start competing where we should like our 1-31 record reminds us.
There are many in here defending the pick. I think many of the sunshine pumpers called Joe Haden a shutdown corner, how many games did we win with him and how long was his shelf life?
The rules in the NFL are designed to allow the passing game to flourish and when you can’t pressure the QB it really doesn’t matter how good the DBs are. And if I’m not mistaken Baker threw for 330 against OSU’s defense.
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Are we reading the same thread Bac? People are complaining about drafting him in lieu of Chubb. I actually tried to remind them we finally drafted a Buckeye after people have been complaining about the Browns previous tendencies of avoiding Buckeyes at all costs.
I don't want him BECAUSE he's a Buckeye - although looking at the recent reputation of reliable young DBs they are putting onto NFL teams should have me reconsidering that. The guy has good film plus a proud Combine workout to back it.
Outside of QB, Corner was easily our biggest need in the draft especially considering the WRs in our division. Time to start competing where we should like our 1-31 record reminds us.
There are many in here defending the pick. I think many of the sunshine pumpers called Joe Haden a shutdown corner, how many games did we win with him and how long was his shelf life?
The rules in the NFL are designed to allow the passing game to flourish and when you can’t pressure the QB it really doesn’t matter how good the DBs are. And if I’m not mistaken Baker threw for 330 against OSU’s defense.
There are many in here defending the pick. I think many of the sunshine pumpers called Joe Haden a shutdown corner, how many games did we win with him and how long was his shelf life?
The rules in the NFL are designed to allow the passing game to flourish and when you can’t pressure the QB it really doesn’t matter how good the DBs are. And if I’m not mistaken Baker threw for 330 against OSU’s defense.
Never understood this argument.
If we had Aaron Donald and won all of maybe one more game with him in the same time frame, you could still say the same thing and be all BUT HOW MANY GAMES HE WIN US BRUH!?!? Losing doesn't preclude us from having a quality player at any given position. It's a team game and we addressed a position of need with a top rated player. A bit higher than I'd like, but addressed none-the-less.
Let's not make this harder than it has to be.
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If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
If Ward as a Miami Hurricane I’m thinking many would have a different tune
I don’t live in Ohio and graduated from Marshall University. I don’t have any reason to pull for a Buckeye. I really liked the Ward pick.
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Plus Joe Haden is 5 foot 11 inches and 190 lb.
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WSS
And before he got his contract re-newed, AJ Green will be the first guy to tell you that once upon a time in Cleveland no corner frustrated him more than Haden. And to be honest, he used to be a damn good tackler in spite of that size especially in the open field. I like the highlight of Ward lighting up that TE.
After Haden got his dream contract here - he could never stay healthy which invited skeptics and mistrust from fans that once appreciated the earlier Joe.
As for Ward, that was a pretty awesome highlight of him lighting up that TE. I'm kind of stunned at the negative response he's getting especially considering how often some of our fans have complained about us avoiding promising prospects from The Ohio State.
And before he got his contract re-newed, AJ Green will be the first guy to tell you that once upon a time in Cleveland no corner frustrated him more than Haden. And to be honest, he used to be a damn good tackler in spite of that size especially in the open field. I like the highlight of Ward lighting up that TE.
After Haden got his dream contract here - he could never stay healthy which invited skeptics and mistrust from fans that once appreciated the earlier Joe.
As for Ward, that was a pretty awesome highlight of him lighting up that TE. I'm kind of stunned at the negative response he's getting especially considering how often some of our fans have complained about us avoiding promising prospects from The Ohio State.
The negativity is because the Browns took a guy at #4 that they thought should have maybe gone at #7.....and passed on a guy that some thought could be gone at #2.........even though the guy we took played at a much bigger need than the guy we passed on.
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While I would’ve gone with Chubb, it’s a win-win in my book and I’m not gonna complain about bringing in a guy like Ward.
While I would’ve gone with Chubb, it’s a win-win in my book and I’m not gonna complain about bringing in a guy like Ward.
Totally agree.
I would have preferred Chubb, possibly Fitzpatrick, but I'm fine with Ward - even if I think he's a bit of a reach at #4. (He's a tad on the smallish side if I were to nitpick)
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Read an interesting comment earlier that players don’t put on weight during the season so he could be around 175 lbs in October/November. That’s a bit of a worry for me.
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Read an interesting comment earlier that players don’t put on weight during the season so he could be around 175 lbs in October/November. That’s a bit of a worry for me.
Read an interesting comment earlier that players don’t put on weight during the season so he could be around 175 lbs in October/November. That’s a bit of a worry for me.
Can't really put on weight in-season. It's asking a lot. That's what the off-season is for.
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While I would’ve gone with Chubb, it’s a win-win in my book and I’m not gonna complain about bringing in a guy like Ward.
Totally agree.
I would have preferred Chubb, possibly Fitzpatrick, but I'm fine with Ward - even if I think he's a bit of a reach at #4. (He's a tad on the smallish side if I were to nitpick)
Totally agree.
I would have preferred Chubb, possibly Fitzpatrick, but I'm fine with Ward - even if I think he's a bit of a reach at #4. (He's a tad on the smallish side if I were to nitpick)
If he plays like #4 overall I'll be elated!
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There are many in here defending the pick. I think many of the sunshine pumpers called Joe Haden a shutdown corner, how many games did we win with him and how long was his shelf life?
The rules in the NFL are designed to allow the passing game to flourish and when you can’t pressure the QB it really doesn’t matter how good the DBs are. And if I’m not mistaken Baker threw for 330 against OSU’s defense.
Never understood this argument.
If we had Aaron Donald and won all of maybe one more game with him in the same time frame, you could still say the same thing and be all BUT HOW MANY GAMES HE WIN US BRUH!?!? Losing doesn't preclude us from having a quality player at any given position. It's a team game and we addressed a position of need with a top rated player. A bit higher than I'd like, but addressed none-the-less.
Let's not make this harder than it has to be.
Never understood this argument.
If we had Aaron Donald and won all of maybe one more game with him in the same time frame, you could still say the same thing and be all BUT HOW MANY GAMES HE WIN US BRUH!?!? Losing doesn't preclude us from having a quality player at any given position. It's a team game and we addressed a position of need with a top rated player. A bit higher than I'd like, but addressed none-the-less.
Let's not make this harder than it has to be.
You miss my point or maybe I was unclear. At any rate positions in football can be ranked by importance. That importance fluctuates depending on what type of game is being played. For the most part through the history of the NFL the QB is the most important but other positions eb and flow. DB is has become less and less a position of great affect since the rules have changed into a pass friendly league and WR have become more physically imposing. When the Browns had an All-Pro DB in Haden it didn’t mean much in terms of stopping the other team. I would argue that Donald, or any other dominant defensive end, would make more of a difference in disrupting the other teams game plan than a “shut down” corner. I’d also add those “shut down” corners don’t seem to last very long these days and teams aren’t willing to pay to keep them so I’d rate the importance of adding a possible shutdown corner as not as high as a possible dominant DE
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