Mayfield is no Brees

Flugel

@dutch-oven said:

"We"?

The Steelers didn't draft a QB.

Thatta boy!!!! They might have drafted another kid trying to impersonate one yesterday but we shall see.

tiamat63

@calfoxwc said:

Having said that, I was sittin there with my Wife, and I was saying "JOSH ALLEN" just as the pick was named.. but the TV said "Baker Mayfield" at the exact same time....and we were laughing. Mayfield might be a bit shorter than we'd like...

but he certainly has "IT".

You said the exact same thing about Johnny. I know... I remember quoting that post.

"IT" is a complete abstract that nobody has any idea what it means or how to quantify it... because "IT" doesn't exist.

hoorta

@baconhound said:

I’ll take it one step further. I don’t think Darnold, Allen, Rosen or Mayfield have shown on the field last year that they deserve to be the number 1 pick. They all have glaring flaws. The Cleveland Browns selected a QB to appease fans and because Sashi & Co, along with NFL pundits, sold this year as the year of the QB I’m 2016.

At this point Tyrod Taylor is the best QB on this roster and may very well be so in week 8. The problem is this team is going to stink again so everyone will be clamoring for Mayfield when we are 2-6.

I would’ve drafted Barkley #1 and whomever was left out of the 4 at 4.

Now they’ve got their QB and even the rosiest of sunshine pumpers will have to be negative when he stinks up the joint.

I'm willing to give Baker some time, instead of writing him off before he ever plays a down. Those "glaring flaws" you mention come out today because the top QB prospects get over analyzed and over critiqued to death by the fans, and NFL teams take it one step further. They asked Dorsey, how deep did you investigate Baker? Answer: We knew what he was ordering off the food truck. No prospect is perfect- Not even the guys around here who think Saquon can damn near walk on water. The Barkley pumpers will be singing a different tune should he get his knee blown out when it's at a crazy angle doing his Zumba Dance to avoid getting hit. SB's yac are pretty pedestrian.

@dutch-oven said:

Four years ago, I can guarantee on this board you can find the same posts about one Johnny Manziel.

Well, most guys are at least resigned to he's our guy now, let's try and be positive until proven otherwise- and that should take more than a game or two, but there's a lot of impatience in this fan base for instant results. That's the low hanging fruit Barkley offered. I've posted around a dozen times RBs even HOF ones, aren't the players who take teams to the Super Bowl on a regular basis- quarterbacks do.

Don't put everyone in the same boat. You can go back and look at my posts. Hated the "It's a sin if we draft Quinn", Geriatric We-Done, Johnny Party Boy, Screamed F**k a few times when Kizer got called last year. Last time I've been wrong was Couch.

I was seriously on the Wentz wagon. FWIW, I happen to like the Mayfield pick. Time will tell if I'm right.

Ghoolie

@dutch-oven said:

I'm just trying to imagine him at the Browns stadium in November with gusting winds and temperatures under 40 being successful. He's the anti-AFC North prototypical QB.

And yes, I know, Brian Sipe did it a million years ago.

Look at you. You are not the stereotypical woman but you make it work. You like the penis, and you HAVE a penis. Most would say yuck, but you have people like Cysco Clit who like that you always have vaseline with you.

Look, man, don't be slapping the football out of Mayfield's hands before he even has a chance to throw it. You don't see me coming in here and slapping the penis out of your hand, do you?

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:

Look at you. You are not the stereotypical woman but you make it work. You like the penis, and you HAVE a penis. Most would say yuck, but you have people like Cysco Clit who like that you always have vaseline with you.

Look, man, don't be slapping the football out of Mayfield's hands before he even has a chance to throw it. You don't see me coming in here and slapping the penis out of your hand, do you?

Listen to ghoulies advice embrace the penisListen to ghoulies advice embrace the penis

Dutch Oven

@ghoolie said:

Look at you. You are not the stereotypical woman but you make it work. You like the penis, and you HAVE a penis. Most would say yuck, but you have people like Cysco Clit who like that you always have vaseline with you.

Look, man, don't be slapping the football out of Mayfield's hands before he even has a chance to throw it. You don't see me coming in here and slapping the penis out of your hand, do you?

The silver lining of all your family members passing away in the last year is that they are no longer burdened with you anymore.

That must be comforting.

bamwa

@baconhound said:

The problem is this team is going to stink again so everyone will be clamoring for Mayfield when we are 2-6.

Actually we will be clamoring for Hue to GTFO.

jcam222

@tacosman said:

When did he became that sort of prospect? (I know the actual answer)....my point is what really changed from the middle of his 34th and final season in college and the draft?

He didn't get taller. His arm didn't get stronger. He didn't put together a ton of window or anticipation throws that stood out any more than those he made throughout his college career.

I'm a huge college football fan and I've seen him play a million games going back to 2015(hell I even remember him from texas tech) and I just never saw #1 draft pick. With darnold and rosen I definately saw that at times.

The thing about mayfield is that he isn't a great athlete. He's not a young russell wilson in terms of elusiveness or escapability. And yes he is very close as a physical specimen to drew brees, but that can never be the standard to which others are measured. Brees was a rare guy whose ball pace actually increased a significant amount from his first year in the nfl to when he broke out...are we counting on that with mayfield?

My concern about mayfield isn't even primarily the height....it's just his arm in general doesn't do it for me as a #1 pick. I don't see him driving balls like a #1 pick should be exxpected to.

I just always viewed a guy like Mayfield as a second round type talent at his best......#1 pick? With rosen and darnold on the board? Sheeesh.....

Who had the 2nd highest velocity at the combine? Let me clue you in that it was neither Darnold or Rosen. Allen clocked in at 62 mph. Baker Mayfield 60 mph.

Tacosman

I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.

Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.

Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.

Tacosman

Ill also say this on Mayfield--- I won't hold him to the standard of a #1 overall pick.

I don't think thats his talent level. So I'm going to expect something less.

nickers

@tacosman said:

I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.

Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.

Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.

Then what do you call Brees?.. Slow and Small?

The Gipper

@tacosman said:

Ill also say this on Mayfield--- I won't hold him to the standard of a #1 overall pick.

I don't think thats his talent level. So I'm going to expect something less.

No one in this draft not a single person was number one overall caliber and I include Berkeley and that so and chips so we have to do what we have to doNo one in this draft not a single person was number one overall caliber and I include Berkeley and that so and chips so we have to do what we have to do

DieHardBrownsFan

@tacosman said:

Ill also say this on Mayfield--- I won't hold him to the standard of a #1 overall pick.

I don't think thats his talent level. So I'm going to expect something less.

Blah blah blah this. Blah blah blah that.....

Tacosman

@nickers said:

Then what do you call Brees?.. Slow and Small?

yes who is also the most accurate down the field thrower in terms of windows and anticipation in nfl history....who improved his arm strength *after* his first couple of years in the league.

yes its true drew brees is a 6 foot not super athletic qb who didnt have a rocket arm qb....who has had a great career. Good luck to mayfield in ecoming that

jcam222

@tacosman said:

I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.

Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.

Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.

This could qualify for the stupidest post of the year. Forget the Mayfield parts you are continually wrong on. Still have't heard you explain his "weak" arm with 60mph velocity.

Lets just focus on the dumbest statement, "character issues had little to do with Manziels downsfall" WTF are you smoking?

stillmotion

@tacosman said:

I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.

Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.

Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.

You're just being a hater man. He's a Cleveland Brown now, show some love.

syd

@mike-h said:

True. We have their numbers for those throws from the combine (drill is intermediate out routes), was my thinking. I wanted to see what they had behind a ball they’re trying to drive down the field, with timing. And the result was pretty much the same. Like I said, I don’t doubt LamJax can physically throw a ball faster, but I don’t think he can do it as functionally.

also lamjax comes off as dumb as a rock have you ever hear him speak ? it's like he has his own language

The Gipper

@dutch-oven said:

I'm so far into your head I should pay rent.

You'll probably toss and turn tonight thinking about me. (Not that you thinking about men while in bed is a new thing, of course, but there's nothing wrong with that.)

Are you saying that diehard is a rent boy. I didn't know that about him. But I'm not really that surprised.

hoorta

@tacosman said:

I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.

Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.

Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.

Another fallacy. Baker was a tenth of a second slower in the 40 (insignificant) than Allen at the Combine, and is as fast or faster than Darnold, Rosen, or Rudolph. We have no idea how fast that WR impersonating a QB Jackson is.

It's already been pointed out, but it bears repeating, Manziel's preference to swigging a 1.75 liter of Don Julio straight at 7 in the morning, instead of studying the playbook was a major character issue.

hoorta

OK, I hate to put on my Mod hat, but I'm going to have to. There's two of you that aren't posting about football in this thread, but are just going back and forth with personal attacks. I'm deleting them, and If I see any more of the same crap they're gone- so knock it off.