Mayfield is no Brees
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When did he became that sort of prospect? (I know the actual answer)....my point is what really changed from the middle of his 34th and final season in college and the draft?
He didn't get taller. His arm didn't get stronger. He didn't put together a ton of window or anticipation throws that stood out any more than those he made throughout his college career.
I'm a huge college football fan and I've seen him play a million games going back to 2015(hell I even remember him from texas tech) and I just never saw #1 draft pick. With darnold and rosen I definately saw that at times.
The thing about mayfield is that he isn't a great athlete. He's not a young russell wilson in terms of elusiveness or escapability. And yes he is very close as a physical specimen to drew brees, but that can never be the standard to which others are measured. Brees was a rare guy whose ball pace actually increased a significant amount from his first year in the nfl to when he broke out...are we counting on that with mayfield?
My concern about mayfield isn't even primarily the height....it's just his arm in general doesn't do it for me as a #1 pick. I don't see him driving balls like a #1 pick should be exxpected to.
I just always viewed a guy like Mayfield as a second round type talent at his best......#1 pick? With rosen and darnold on the board? Sheeesh.....
When did he became that sort of prospect? (I know the actual answer)....my point is what really changed from the middle of his 34th and final season in college and the draft?
He didn't get taller. His arm didn't get stronger. He didn't put together a ton of window or anticipation throws that stood out any more than those he made throughout his college career.
I'm a huge college football fan and I've seen him play a million games going back to 2015(hell I even remember him from texas tech) and I just never saw #1 draft pick. With darnold and rosen I definately saw that at times.
The thing about mayfield is that he isn't a great athlete. He's not a young russell wilson in terms of elusiveness or escapability. And yes he is very close as a physical specimen to drew brees, but that can never be the standard to which others are measured. Brees was a rare guy whose ball pace actually increased a significant amount from his first year in the nfl to when he broke out...are we counting on that with mayfield?
My concern about mayfield isn't even primarily the height....it's just his arm in general doesn't do it for me as a #1 pick. I don't see him driving balls like a #1 pick should be exxpected to.
I just always viewed a guy like Mayfield as a second round type talent at his best......#1 pick? With rosen and darnold on the board? Sheeesh.....
Who had the 2nd highest velocity at the combine? Let me clue you in that it was neither Darnold or Rosen. Allen clocked in at 62 mph. Baker Mayfield 60 mph.
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I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
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Ill also say this on Mayfield--- I won't hold him to the standard of a #1 overall pick.
I don't think thats his talent level. So I'm going to expect something less.
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I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
Then what do you call Brees?.. Slow and Small?
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Ill also say this on Mayfield--- I won't hold him to the standard of a #1 overall pick.
I don't think thats his talent level. So I'm going to expect something less.
Ill also say this on Mayfield--- I won't hold him to the standard of a #1 overall pick.
I don't think thats his talent level. So I'm going to expect something less.
No one in this draft not a single person was number one overall caliber and I include Berkeley and that so and chips so we have to do what we have to doNo one in this draft not a single person was number one overall caliber and I include Berkeley and that so and chips so we have to do what we have to do
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Ill also say this on Mayfield--- I won't hold him to the standard of a #1 overall pick.
I don't think thats his talent level. So I'm going to expect something less.
Ill also say this on Mayfield--- I won't hold him to the standard of a #1 overall pick.
I don't think thats his talent level. So I'm going to expect something less.
Blah blah blah this. Blah blah blah that.....
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I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
Then what do you call Brees?.. Slow and Small?
Then what do you call Brees?.. Slow and Small?
yes who is also the most accurate down the field thrower in terms of windows and anticipation in nfl history....who improved his arm strength *after* his first couple of years in the league.
yes its true drew brees is a 6 foot not super athletic qb who didnt have a rocket arm qb....who has had a great career. Good luck to mayfield in ecoming that
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I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
This could qualify for the stupidest post of the year. Forget the Mayfield parts you are continually wrong on. Still have't heard you explain his "weak" arm with 60mph velocity.
Lets just focus on the dumbest statement, "character issues had little to do with Manziels downsfall" WTF are you smoking?
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I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
You're just being a hater man. He's a Cleveland Brown now, show some love.
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40-yd+? Not really the throw you want to use for "velocity" is it? Too many combinations of velocity and arc...
Seems to me the 10 to 15-yd out would be the better choice.
True. We have their numbers for those throws from the combine (drill is intermediate out routes), was my thinking. I wanted to see what they had behind a ball they’re trying to drive down the field, with timing. And the result was pretty much the same. Like I said, I don’t doubt LamJax can physically throw a ball faster, but I don’t think he can do it as functionally.
True. We have their numbers for those throws from the combine (drill is intermediate out routes), was my thinking. I wanted to see what they had behind a ball they’re trying to drive down the field, with timing. And the result was pretty much the same. Like I said, I don’t doubt LamJax can physically throw a ball faster, but I don’t think he can do it as functionally.
also lamjax comes off as dumb as a rock have you ever hear him speak ? it's like he has his own language
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@dutch-oven said:
I'm so far into your head I should pay rent.
You'll probably toss and turn tonight thinking about me. (Not that you thinking about men while in bed is a new thing, of course, but there's nothing wrong with that.)
Are you saying that diehard is a rent boy. I didn't know that about him. But I'm not really that surprised.
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I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
I don't get the mayfield is athletic talk. He's not. He's not even the athlete Manziel was. When you watch baker against nfl DE's and LB's, you'll see how slow he is in game speed.
Slow and small is generally not a great combination in the nfl, even at qb.
Im not concerned at all about the so called character issues. And character issues had little to do with manziel's downfall....manziel just wasnt good enough.
Another fallacy.
Baker was a tenth of a second slower in the 40 (insignificant) than Allen at the Combine, and is as fast or faster than Darnold, Rosen, or Rudolph. We have no idea how fast that WR impersonating a QB Jackson is.
It's already been pointed out, but it bears repeating, Manziel's preference to swigging a 1.75 liter of Don Julio straight at 7 in the morning, instead of studying the playbook was a major character issue.
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OK, I hate to put on my Mod hat, but I'm going to have to. There's two of you that aren't posting about football in this thread, but are just going back and forth with personal attacks. I'm deleting them, and If I see any more of the same crap they're gone- so knock it off.
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Look at you. You are not the stereotypical woman but you make it work. You like the penis, and you HAVE a penis. Most would say yuck, but you have people like Cysco Clit who like that you always have vaseline with you.
Look, man, don't be slapping the football out of Mayfield's hands before he even has a chance to throw it. You don't see me coming in here and slapping the penis out of your hand, do you?
The silver lining of all your family members passing away in the last year is that they are no longer burdened with you anymore.
That must be comforting.
The silver lining of all your family members passing away in the last year is that they are no longer burdened with you anymore.
That must be comforting.
A clear sign of one man's intellectual superiority in a debate is his ability to cause the other person to spring a leak and stoop to behavior not acceptable to any onlookers. That I have taunted and tormented you to the point that you would bring my Deceased Mother into a conversation is a testament that I have bitchslapped you into a stupor of which you are looking for a miracle, a hidden weapon to get you back on an even playing field. In this post, you have prostrated yourself before me, like a helpless wretch.
That something as childish as an NFL football team could be an integral part of your identity is indicative of someone needing psychological help.
Finally, there is one great difference between a man like me, and a coward like you. You would never say to my face what you would say here. How do I know this? VERY VERY SIMPLE.........THere at least 20 people on this board who have met me, who have been to my home, or interacted with me on some personal level. Unlike YOU............. my name is known to all who want it. I have shared pictures of myself, my wife, family members, dogs, and other things. I have shared my music and sent gifs to various folks to show appreciation for heir friendship and fellowship. There is nothing hidden about me. I would say to your face what I say here.
Now, men, real men, grown men, don't get offended by being called a caulk sucker, pussy, homo, or whatever else Sergeant Carter/ Sergeant Hatman tongue-in-cheek venom I hurl their way. The ONLY ONES offended, are those who the nonsense actually hits home with. In you, it seems, I have struck a nerve with you.
Now, if you are such a tough guy, do as I have, share your identity, pictures of yourself, your family, your life's work, your phone number. OR.................Hide behind Dutch Oven.
But lookie here, pussy boy, you can't have it both ways. Hide, and be known as my slut. You are insignificant. Now, go, run away.
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OK, I hate to put on my Mod hat, but I'm going to have to. There's two of you that aren't posting about football in this thread, but are just going back and forth with personal attacks. I'm deleting them, and If I see any more of the same crap they're gone- so knock it off.
OK, I hate to put on my Mod hat, but I'm going to have to. There's two of you that aren't posting about football in this thread, but are just going back and forth with personal attacks. I'm deleting them, and If I see any more of the same crap they're gone- so knock it off.
Fair enough with me.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
OK, I hate to put on my Mod hat, but I'm going to have to. There's two of you that aren't posting about football in this thread, but are just going back and forth with personal attacks. I'm deleting them, and If I see any more of the same crap they're gone- so knock it off.
OK, I hate to put on my Mod hat, but I'm going to have to. There's two of you that aren't posting about football in this thread, but are just going back and forth with personal attacks. I'm deleting them, and If I see any more of the same crap they're gone- so knock it off.
The point I made earlier is that where was it ever stated that Dorsey was looking to duplicate Brees? I never heard Dorsey mention Brees. Did you? Is it something I missed? Dorsey drafted Mayfield because he believes the kid can play and lead.
If height and arm strength were indicators of success, Paxton Lynch would be a SB champ by now. Mayfield was not my pick, but then again, I didn't have a pick, neither did anyone else.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
OK, I hate to put on my Mod hat, but I'm going to have to. There's two of you that aren't posting about football in this thread, but are just going back and forth with personal attacks. I'm deleting them, and If I see any more of the same crap they're gone- so knock it off.
The point I made earlier is that where was it ever stated that Dorsey was looking to duplicate Brees? I never heard Dorsey mention Brees. Did you? Is it something I missed? Dorsey drafted Mayfield because he believes the kid can play and lead.
If height and arm strength were indicators of success, Paxton Lynch would be a SB champ by now. Mayfield was not my pick, but then again, I didn't have a pick, neither did anyone else.
The point I made earlier is that where was it ever stated that Dorsey was looking to duplicate Brees? I never heard Dorsey mention Brees. Did you? Is it something I missed? Dorsey drafted Mayfield because he believes the kid can play and lead.
If height and arm strength were indicators of success, Paxton Lynch would be a SB champ by now. Mayfield was not my pick, but then again, I didn't have a pick, neither did anyone else.
For someone who is giving up the NFL for the XFL, you seem strangely invested in the Browns still.
It's like you are so desperate for attention that you'd go so far as beg the owner of this board to let you back on it...
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OK, I hate to put on my Mod hat, but I'm going to have to. There's two of you that aren't posting about football in this thread, but are just going back and forth with personal attacks. I'm deleting them, and If I see any more of the same crap they're gone- so knock it off.
Fair enough with me.
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OK, I hate to put on my Mod hat, but I'm going to have to. There's two of you that aren't posting about football in this thread, but are just going back and forth with personal attacks. I'm deleting them, and If I see any more of the same crap they're gone- so knock it off.
The point I made earlier is that where was it ever stated that Dorsey was looking to duplicate Brees? I never heard Dorsey mention Brees. Did you? Is it something I missed? Dorsey drafted Mayfield because he believes the kid can play and lead.
If height and arm strength were indicators of success, Paxton Lynch would be a SB champ by now. Mayfield was not my pick, but then again, I didn't have a pick, neither did anyone else.
The point I made earlier is that where was it ever stated that Dorsey was looking to duplicate Brees? I never heard Dorsey mention Brees. Did you? Is it something I missed? Dorsey drafted Mayfield because he believes the kid can play and lead.
If height and arm strength were indicators of success, Paxton Lynch would be a SB champ by now. Mayfield was not my pick, but then again, I didn't have a pick, neither did anyone else.
Dorsey never said that- but then again, he didn't have to. The comparison is obvious, at least from a physical standpoint. Hmm, now that I looked, Baker's college stats are even better than Drew's, but that was a different era of football. Offensive Big 10 player of the Year, and held the passing yards record until JT Barrett broke it this past year.... I hope that's what we just drafted Tom. If we get a HOFer and a Super Bowl out of it, we've done well.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/drew-brees-1.html
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The point I made earlier is that where was it ever stated that Dorsey was looking to duplicate Brees? I never heard Dorsey mention Brees. Did you? Is it something I missed? Dorsey drafted Mayfield because he believes the kid can play and lead.
If height and arm strength were indicators of success, Paxton Lynch would be a SB champ by now. Mayfield was not my pick, but then again, I didn't have a pick, neither did anyone else.
Dorsey never said that- but then again, he didn't have to. The comparison is obvious, at least from a physical standpoint. Hmm, now that I looked, Baker's college stats are even better than Drew's, but that was a different era of football. Offensive Big 10 player of the Year, and held the passing yards record until JT Barrett broke it this past year.... I hope that's what we just drafted Tom. If we get a HOFer and a Super Bowl out of it, we've done well.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/drew-brees-1.html
Dorsey never said that- but then again, he didn't have to. The comparison is obvious, at least from a physical standpoint. Hmm, now that I looked, Baker's college stats are even better than Drew's, but that was a different era of football. Offensive Big 10 player of the Year, and held the passing yards record until JT Barrett broke it this past year.... I hope that's what we just drafted Tom. If we get a HOFer and a Super Bowl out of it, we've done well.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/drew-brees-1.html
Larry, again, this is the time of year where I just give the guys a chance, I can call Garrett a Zumba, and be pissed at his Cowboys antics, but that's just me. The guy needs to amaze us. As you recall, I insulted Kizer, but I also called for him to get a real shot, without Hues BS. Same thing here. All the analytic BS needs to go away. THe only thing that matters is how this kid plays and leads the team. Nobody here, nor on the Browns staff knows that. We rolled the dice, just like eveyrone else.
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