Draft Grades
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The good, the bad and the Browns: Teams that defined draft weekend
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The good, the bad and the Browns: Teams that defined draft weekend
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The good, the bad and the Browns: Teams that defined draft weekend
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Well....that is just one idiot turd's arsehole opinion.
Mayfield....WAS..in fact the best QB in college football this year....from all objective measure.
And I guess I would have to see the site...but Ward also grades out, talentwise, as well as Chubb, does he not?
Let's just make this prediction: Ward will perform better at HIS position than Chubb will perform at his.
So...there is your Hot Take:
Ward will perform better at CB than Chubb will at DE.
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First, grading drafts is by and large just another exercise in confirmation bias. The more players you like that a team took, the higher the grade. That said....
- I keep looking at LAC's draft... they really confirmed my biases.
- GB grabbed a lot of value in a lot of players... quality and quantity in one draft.
- Not many players, but NYG sure grabbed quality.
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Well.....why don't we give Grades to the Draft classes that deserve to be graded at this point: Those 3 to 5 years ago:
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Danny Shelton 12 NT 2017 0 0 3 16 46 1.5 Washington 2015 1 Cameron Erving 19 C 2017 0 0 1 10 42 0 0 0 Florida St. 2015 2 Nate Orchard 51 DE 2017 0 0 1 9 34 1 5.0 Utah 2015 3 Duke Johnson 77 RB 2017 0 0 0 15 48 0 1 0 0 0 259 1085 5 188 1741 5 Miami (FL) 2015 3 Xavier Cooper 96 DT 2017 0 0 0 4 40 3.0 Washington St. 2015 4 Ibraheim Campbell 115 SS 2017 0 0 0 5 38 Northwestern 2015 4 Vince Mayle 123 WR 2017 0 0 0 0 23 2 2 1 0 0 0 Washington St. 2015 6 Charles Gaines 189 CB 2015 0 0 0 1 6 Louisville 2015 6 Malcolm Johnson 195 TE 2016 0 0 0 0 19 1 2 0 9 59 0 Mississippi St. 2015 6 Randall Telfer 198 TE 2017 0 0 1 0 30 5 40 0 USC 2015 7 Hayes Pullard 219 ILB 2017 0 0 0 8 37 1 USC 2015 7 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu 241 CB 0 0 0 Oregon Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2014 1 Justin Gilbert 8 DB 2016 0 0 0 4 35 1 Oklahoma St. 2014 1 Johnny Manziel 22 QB 2015 0 0 0 5 15 147 258 1675 7 7 46 259 1 Texas A&M 2014 2 Joel Bitonio 35 G 2017 0 0 3 17 47 Nevada 2014 3 Christian Kirksey 71 LB 2017 0 0 3 21 64 11.5 Iowa 2014 3 Terrance West 94 RB 2017 0 0 1 12 43 465 1816 11 51 344 2 Towson 2014 4 Pierre Desir 127 DB 2017 0 0 0 5 33 1 Lindenwood Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Barkevious Mingo 6 LB 2017 0 0 1 16 78 1 9.0 LSU 2013 3 Leon McFadden 68 DB 2016 0 0 0 2 34 San Diego St. 2013 6 Jamoris Slaughter 175 DB 0 0 0 Notre Dame 2013 7 Armonty Bryant 217 DE 2016 0 0 0 4 36 11.5 East Central (OK) 2013 7 Garrett Gilkey 227 T 2014 0 0 0 2 22 Chadron St. Give a grade to each of these years.
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2013....an F. No one...including Mingo contributed at all to the Browns...not really
2014...a B minus I think. Two solid performers still with Browns, Kirksey/Bito. (despite the shite at the top of that draft)
2015. A C at best. Three players still here....Orchard/Telfer. Duke Johnson saves it from a D.
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2013....an F. No one...including Mingo contributed at all to the Browns...not really
2014...a B minus I think. Two solid performers still with Browns, Kirksey/Bito. (despite the shite at the top of that draft)
2015. A C at best. Three players still here....Orchard/Telfer. Duke Johnson saves it from a D.
2013....an F. No one...including Mingo contributed at all to the Browns...not really
2014...a B minus I think. Two solid performers still with Browns, Kirksey/Bito. (despite the shite at the top of that draft)
2015. A C at best. Three players still here....Orchard/Telfer. Duke Johnson saves it from a D.
I think Orchard is history. And so does 247.
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2013....an F. No one...including Mingo contributed at all to the Browns...not really
2014...a B minus I think. Two solid performers still with Browns, Kirksey/Bito. (despite the shite at the top of that draft)
2015. A C at best. Three players still here....Orchard/Telfer. Duke Johnson saves it from a D.
2013....an F. No one...including Mingo contributed at all to the Browns...not really
2014...a B minus I think. Two solid performers still with Browns, Kirksey/Bito. (despite the shite at the top of that draft)
2015. A C at best. Three players still here....Orchard/Telfer. Duke Johnson saves it from a D.
I agree with 2013, probably would give 2015 a D+, but I can't go along with the B- on '14.
I just can't give a draft where your TWO 1st rounders are absolute abortions a B-, even if Bitonio and Kirsey have been good starters.
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2013....an F. No one...including Mingo contributed at all to the Browns...not really
2014...a B minus I think. Two solid performers still with Browns, Kirksey/Bito. (despite the shite at the top of that draft)
2015. A C at best. Three players still here....Orchard/Telfer. Duke Johnson saves it from a D.
I agree with 2013, probably would give 2015 a D+, but I can't go along with the B- on '14.
I just can't give a draft where your TWO 1st rounders are absolute abortions a B-, even if Bitonio and Kirsey have been good starters.
I agree with 2013, probably would give 2015 a D+, but I can't go along with the B- on '14.
I just can't give a draft where your TWO 1st rounders are absolute abortions a B-, even if Bitonio and Kirsey have been good starters.
BROWNS 2010 era drafts can be summed up by the words "do over".
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The majority of these people handing out grades are not employed by an NFL team for a reason ....they suck .... let them play 3 years then grade them ....
That's no fun.
Assigning grades is a game in itself. Grading drafts is merely an opinion based on how much the analyst believes the players selected will contribute to the team ...THEN after 3 years we can determine if the analyst was right or wrong.
We fans are not employed by NFL teams either, but a letter grade could easily be attached to our opinion of how our beloved team did.
That's no fun.
Assigning grades is a game in itself. Grading drafts is merely an opinion based on how much the analyst believes the players selected will contribute to the team ...THEN after 3 years we can determine if the analyst was right or wrong.
We fans are not employed by NFL teams either, but a letter grade could easily be attached to our opinion of how our beloved team did.
Easy to give out immediate grades- the more accurate one are the "let's redo the X draft from three years ago". 20\20 hindsight. Every review draft would now have Tom Brady as the #1 overall, not sixth round.
It's the primary reason the Browns have stunk for over a decade. The talent we've passed on that was still on the board, and us taking a bust is mind boggling.
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That's no fun.
Assigning grades is a game in itself. Grading drafts is merely an opinion based on how much the analyst believes the players selected will contribute to the team ...THEN after 3 years we can determine if the analyst was right or wrong.
We fans are not employed by NFL teams either, but a letter grade could easily be attached to our opinion of how our beloved team did.
Easy to give out immediate grades- the more accurate one are the "let's redo the X draft from three years ago". 20\20 hindsight. Every review draft would now have Tom Brady as the #1 overall, not sixth round.
It's the primary reason the Browns have stunk for over a decade. The talent we've passed on that was still on the board, and us taking a bust is mind boggling.
It's the primary reason the Browns have stunk for over a decade. The talent we've passed on that was still on the board, and us taking a bust is mind boggling.
That's why I always shake my head when, inevitably, someone blurts out: "Well I'll just trust the guys paid to draft players who have way more football knowledge than some guy on a message board..."
I mean, the sentiment is 100% correct. But the Browns, since '99, have shown that some random guy with a draft guide bought for $8 at the local bookshop CAN do a better job.
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2013....an F. No one...including Mingo contributed at all to the Browns...not really
2014...a B minus I think. Two solid performers still with Browns, Kirksey/Bito. (despite the shite at the top of that draft)
2015. A C at best. Three players still here....Orchard/Telfer. Duke Johnson saves it from a D.
I think Orchard is history. And so does 247.
I think Orchard is history. And so does 247.
Probably...but still...he is only like one of 5 guys taken from all these drafts still on the roster.
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I think Orchard is history. And so does 247.
Probably...but still...he is only like one of 5 guys taken from all these drafts still on the roster.
Probably...but still...he is only like one of 5 guys taken from all these drafts still on the roster.
But every time he substituted for Garrett the opposing teams ran right over his side for massive yardage. He just does not play the run well at all when it comes right at him.
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Probably...but still...he is only like one of 5 guys taken from all these drafts still on the roster.
But every time he substituted for Garrett the opposing teams ran right over his side for massive yardage. He just does not play the run well at all when it comes right at him.
But every time he substituted for Garrett the opposing teams ran right over his side for massive yardage. He just does not play the run well at all when it comes right at him.
Well, on the depth chart, Orchard is listed as the third string SLB.....behind Collins and James Burgess. If he can't beat out James Burgess for a backup LB spot....then absolutely...his days are numbered.
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When Barkley is tearing up the NFL and Jackson crashing and burning these yahoos will no where to be found.
Says a "wannabe"...
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They are accurate as your Rosen pick.
True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
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They are accurate as your Rosen pick.
True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
I don't recall tour actually predicting Rosen oh, I just think that would have been his pic. Maybe I'm wrong. Without the benefit of meeting any of the players I might have selected rows and had I been the GM but as it stands I'm very happy with Baker Mayfield.
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They are accurate as your Rosen pick.
True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
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Frankly I think as long as he remains healthy Rosen will prove out to be the first one who breaks out as an NFL QB. He has the advantage of having to learn 3 different systems already and is a bright guy. Mayfield in the long run may be the better since he is highly motivated and has as good an accuracy as Rosen. But wear and tear of smaller QBs is always a concern, especially if some coach runs him on purpose. Won't be doing him any favors. Darnold has the most long term potential because he just has a Big Ben type body size and is in an ideal spot to be mentored into the position. Jackson can barely communicate but is one hell of an athlete. Josh Allen has a lot of accuracy work to do. But I like his attitude.
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True, but I'm not the one claiming omniscience...
I don't recall tour actually predicting Rosen oh, I just think that would have been his pic. Maybe I'm wrong. Without the benefit of meeting any of the players I might have selected rows and had I been the GM but as it stands I'm very happy with Baker Mayfield.
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I don't recall tour actually predicting Rosen oh, I just think that would have been his pic. Maybe I'm wrong. Without the benefit of meeting any of the players I might have selected rows and had I been the GM but as it stands I'm very happy with Baker Mayfield.
I think, or believe, Rosen is and will be the best QB in this draft... but the operative word is think.
Boo confuses opinion with omniscience...
Frankly I think as long as he remains healthy Rosen will prove out to be the first one who breaks out as an NFL QB. He has the advantage of having to learn 3 different systems already and is a bright guy.
For me it's his translation of "football IQ" to the playing field. He already has shown me that he can consistently apply his knowledge while the others have at most only displayed flashes... or no sign at all.
In the end this translation is the highest hurdle... the highest barrier to the NFL's QB-Club's entry. And the depth of understanding is what separates the successful NFL QB from the journeyman.
Rosen comes into the league as one of two QBs I've already seen clear the hurdle. Plus he's the one I project to develop the deepest understanding.
Will I be right? No idea, but if I did not like my odds, then I'd back a different horse.
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Well.....why don't we give Grades to the Draft classes that deserve to be graded at this point: Those 3 to 5 years ago:
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Danny Shelton 12 NT 2017 0 0 3 16 46 1.5 Washington 2015 1 Cameron Erving 19 C 2017 0 0 1 10 42 0 0 0 Florida St. 2015 2 Nate Orchard 51 DE 2017 0 0 1 9 34 1 5.0 Utah 2015 3 Duke Johnson 77 RB 2017 0 0 0 15 48 0 1 0 0 0 259 1085 5 188 1741 5 Miami (FL) 2015 3 Xavier Cooper 96 DT 2017 0 0 0 4 40 3.0 Washington St. 2015 4 Ibraheim Campbell 115 SS 2017 0 0 0 5 38 Northwestern 2015 4 Vince Mayle 123 WR 2017 0 0 0 0 23 2 2 1 0 0 0 Washington St. 2015 6 Charles Gaines 189 CB 2015 0 0 0 1 6 Louisville 2015 6 Malcolm Johnson 195 TE 2016 0 0 0 0 19 1 2 0 9 59 0 Mississippi St. 2015 6 Randall Telfer 198 TE 2017 0 0 1 0 30 5 40 0 USC 2015 7 Hayes Pullard 219 ILB 2017 0 0 0 8 37 1 USC 2015 7 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu 241 CB 0 0 0 Oregon Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2014 1 Justin Gilbert 8 DB 2016 0 0 0 4 35 1 Oklahoma St. 2014 1 Johnny Manziel 22 QB 2015 0 0 0 5 15 147 258 1675 7 7 46 259 1 Texas A&M 2014 2 Joel Bitonio 35 G 2017 0 0 3 17 47 Nevada 2014 3 Christian Kirksey 71 LB 2017 0 0 3 21 64 11.5 Iowa 2014 3 Terrance West 94 RB 2017 0 0 1 12 43 465 1816 11 51 344 2 Towson 2014 4 Pierre Desir 127 DB 2017 0 0 0 5 33 1 Lindenwood Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Barkevious Mingo 6 LB 2017 0 0 1 16 78 1 9.0 LSU 2013 3 Leon McFadden 68 DB 2016 0 0 0 2 34 San Diego St. 2013 6 Jamoris Slaughter 175 DB 0 0 0 Notre Dame 2013 7 Armonty Bryant 217 DE 2016 0 0 0 4 36 11.5 East Central (OK) 2013 7 Garrett Gilkey 227 T 2014 0 0 0 2 22 Chadron St. Give a grade to each of these years.
Well.....why don't we give Grades to the Draft classes that deserve to be graded at this point: Those 3 to 5 years ago:
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Danny Shelton 12 NT 2017 0 0 3 16 46 1.5 Washington 2015 1 Cameron Erving 19 C 2017 0 0 1 10 42 0 0 0 Florida St. 2015 2 Nate Orchard 51 DE 2017 0 0 1 9 34 1 5.0 Utah 2015 3 Duke Johnson 77 RB 2017 0 0 0 15 48 0 1 0 0 0 259 1085 5 188 1741 5 Miami (FL) 2015 3 Xavier Cooper 96 DT 2017 0 0 0 4 40 3.0 Washington St. 2015 4 Ibraheim Campbell 115 SS 2017 0 0 0 5 38 Northwestern 2015 4 Vince Mayle 123 WR 2017 0 0 0 0 23 2 2 1 0 0 0 Washington St. 2015 6 Charles Gaines 189 CB 2015 0 0 0 1 6 Louisville 2015 6 Malcolm Johnson 195 TE 2016 0 0 0 0 19 1 2 0 9 59 0 Mississippi St. 2015 6 Randall Telfer 198 TE 2017 0 0 1 0 30 5 40 0 USC 2015 7 Hayes Pullard 219 ILB 2017 0 0 0 8 37 1 USC 2015 7 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu 241 CB 0 0 0 Oregon Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2014 1 Justin Gilbert 8 DB 2016 0 0 0 4 35 1 Oklahoma St. 2014 1 Johnny Manziel 22 QB 2015 0 0 0 5 15 147 258 1675 7 7 46 259 1 Texas A&M 2014 2 Joel Bitonio 35 G 2017 0 0 3 17 47 Nevada 2014 3 Christian Kirksey 71 LB 2017 0 0 3 21 64 11.5 Iowa 2014 3 Terrance West 94 RB 2017 0 0 1 12 43 465 1816 11 51 344 2 Towson 2014 4 Pierre Desir 127 DB 2017 0 0 0 5 33 1 Lindenwood Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Barkevious Mingo 6 LB 2017 0 0 1 16 78 1 9.0 LSU 2013 3 Leon McFadden 68 DB 2016 0 0 0 2 34 San Diego St. 2013 6 Jamoris Slaughter 175 DB 0 0 0 Notre Dame 2013 7 Armonty Bryant 217 DE 2016 0 0 0 4 36 11.5 East Central (OK) 2013 7 Garrett Gilkey 227 T 2014 0 0 0 2 22 Chadron St. Give a grade to each of these years.
Oddly enough we seem to do better with middle round picks. I seem to recall having this observation before with older drafts. Perhaps we should trade all first round picks for 2nd and 3rd rounders?
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