Denzel Ward
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Ward is going to be a quality starter, but not taking Chubb there is just a head scratcher.
Not really...not if you don't have a clue or did not think it through. At the time I too said basically: WTF....but then I realized what this team really needed most. Where our biggest weakness was....so then I thought that taking Ward totally made absolute sense.
Not really...not if you don't have a clue or did not think it through. At the time I too said basically: WTF....but then I realized what this team really needed most. Where our biggest weakness was....so then I thought that taking Ward totally made absolute sense.
It made sense only if Ogbah is fully recovered which appears to be the case in light of what Dorsey said about Ogbah. Makes me happy and for sure makes Garrett happy.
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I think Joe Walsh said that he was attending Kent State at the time and when that happened is when he decided to make music.
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I think Joe Walsh said that he was attending Kent State at the time and when that happened is when he decided to make music.
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• Sodium pentathol, and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, came up in the wake of the Denzel Ward pick. Truth serum. My question to Dorsey on Friday morning: “If we gave Gregg Williams sodium pentathol right now, who would he have said he wanted with the fourth pick—Denzel Ward or Bradley Chubb?” Dorsey pulled out his cell phone and rang Williams. I asked him the question. Williams: “Ward. The reason is our need for a press cover cornerback. Denzel probably plays that position as well as anyone I’ve seen in college football in some time. We probably play the most press of any team in the league. There’s another reason. I’ve got a video of 28 snaps of Myles Garrett pass-rushes last year where he gets within two steps or less of the quarterback when the ball comes out. Basically, we aren’t covering long enough to let him get to the quarterback. Myles and others—especially [defensive end] Emmanuel Ogbah—will get more chances because of Denzel.” Ogbah, Williams said, was a major reason why the Browns went Ward over Chubb. “Ogbah’s a rising star in this league,” Williams said. “He’s got a chance to be Chubb.” High praise.
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Dorsey knew for quite a while that he wanted Mayfield...and Williams knew he wanted Ward. (I guess you've gotta cover the receivers at least a LITTLE BIT in order to get a sack)
Go Browns!
Would love to have the chance to pick coach Williams' brain one day. I have a great deal of respect for the man and the defenses he crafts.
Having said that, as much as I love my Buckeyes - Denzel's own team mate just a year prior (Marshon) was a far better press corner. And there are larger receivers Ward has struggled with at times the last couple years, hence my first knock on him being that he needs to improve his strength. So saying Ward is the best press CB he has seen in a while is... Not sure how to phrase that. Just hoping Coach has watched as many DB's as he's leading on though.
So saying Ward is the best press CB he has seen in a while is... Not sure how to phrase that. Just hoping Coach has watched as many DB's as he's leading on though.
I doubt he's "seen" a lot more than what the scouts have brought to his teams over the past several years... especially since he's risen to DC.
I don't get the whole Denzel Ward is short, thing. He's 5'11". Is that short for a CB? Since when were CB's supposed to be shooting forwards? (basketball term)
In the new NFL? Kinda... range is like 5'9 to 6'3. All other things equal you'd love "longer"... but in general other things don't stay equal with increasing hight.
Height is but one attribute in playing length tho... arm length and vertical leap are factor as well.
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Ward is going to be a quality starter, but not taking Chubb there is just a head scratcher.
Not really...not if you don't have a clue or did not think it through. At the time I too said basically: WTF....but then I realized what this team really needed most. Where our biggest weakness was....so then I thought that taking Ward totally made absolute sense.
Not really...not if you don't have a clue or did not think it through. At the time I too said basically: WTF....but then I realized what this team really needed most. Where our biggest weakness was....so then I thought that taking Ward totally made absolute sense.
lol... and so begins the turn to "I knew it all along"...
I really want to see the posts where Gip "thought this thru".
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Revis is 5'11. He just has good arm length, footwork and is strong as hell.
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I think Joe Walsh said that he was attending Kent State at the time and when that happened is when he decided to make music.
I think Joe Walsh said that he was attending Kent State at the time and when that happened is when he decided to make music.
One day, a group of college-age kids were sitting on the floor in a corner of the lobby of the Kent Plaza Theater. My dad was the assistant manager at the time, and his boss told him to "go over to that long-haired guy and tell him and his friends that they can't loiter in the lobby". My dad informed his boss who the long-haired guy was, to no avail, so he had to go over and sheepishly tell Joe Walsh that he couldn't hang out there anymore.
Growing up one town over, I would find out that one of my HS teachers should have been in the National Guard unit that was at Kent State that day, but he was having knee surgery. A middle school teacher of mine was best friend's with one of the boys who was killed.
Crazy times.
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I think Joe Walsh said that he was attending Kent State at the time and when that happened is when he decided to make music.
One day, a group of college-age kids were sitting on the floor in a corner of the lobby of the Kent Plaza Theater. My dad was the assistant manager at the time, and his boss told him to "go over to that long-haired guy and tell him and his friends that they can't loiter in the lobby". My dad informed his boss who the long-haired guy was, to no avail, so he had to go over and sheepishly tell Joe Walsh that he couldn't hang out there anymore.
Growing up one town over, I would find out that one of my HS teachers should have been in the National Guard unit that was at Kent State that day, but he was having knee surgery. A middle school teacher of mine was best friend's with one of the boys who was killed.
Crazy times.
Crazy times.
Stupid times. And a stupid president.
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I remember the Kent St contingent going to that rally in Washington the year after - so many were arrested -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_May_Day_protests
but the leaders of the Kent anti-war protesters weren't - they didn't go to the rally - they kept the bus/food money and had a big wild party instead. I learned of that after sitting down across from a young lady who was crying over the deceit and hypocrisy. Her brother was over there....But I've told that story before.
Back to football.
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Well out of it came on of my favorite protest songs. What a terrible tragedy for Ohio and for our nation.
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Have pictures of the burned down ROTC building - from Saturday night before....pics of the National Guard...
never liked that one at all. btw, the protesters brought in bags of rocks to throw at the National Guard.
They frantically cleaned them up later, by flashlights even, after dark. Just a "secret" FYI. They were not potatoes.
"ahem" back to football.
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I always thought the Browns were a DB away.
Tour may want to update his signature to read "DB is one of the hardest positions for a rookie to learn, he'll get better"
Same dung we heard about Gilbert
I always thought the Browns were a DB away.
Tour may want to update his signature to read "DB is one of the hardest positions for a rookie to learn, he'll get better"
Same dung we heard about Gilbert
Hardly a valid criticism. Because One highly-touted DB is lazy and doesn't work out they all must be. Are you saying Gilbert failed because the position is too hard to learn?
WSS
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Not really...not if you don't have a clue or did not think it through. At the time I too said basically: WTF....but then I realized what this team really needed most. Where our biggest weakness was....so then I thought that taking Ward totally made absolute sense.
lol... and so begins the turn to "I knew it all along"...
I really want to see the posts where Gip "thought this thru".
lol... and so begins the turn to "I knew it all along"...
I really want to see the posts where Gip "thought this thru".
Serious? Obuse a bit? You won't see posts where I express my thought processes....only my conclusions. Besides...did you not read what I said?
I said that I had questioned the choice of Ward over Chubb initially...but then after thinking it through....I concluded that if their talents were equal, that it was in the Browns interests to choose the CB...because it is a position of far greater need for us.
Did you miss that whole expression....or were you too self involved in your desire to be critical that it passed you over?
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I think Joe Walsh said that he was attending Kent State at the time and when that happened is when he decided to make music.
One day, a group of college-age kids were sitting on the floor in a corner of the lobby of the Kent Plaza Theater. My dad was the assistant manager at the time, and his boss told him to "go over to that long-haired guy and tell him and his friends that they can't loiter in the lobby". My dad informed his boss who the long-haired guy was, to no avail, so he had to go over and sheepishly tell Joe Walsh that he couldn't hang out there anymore.
Growing up one town over, I would find out that one of my HS teachers should have been in the National Guard unit that was at Kent State that day, but he was having knee surgery. A middle school teacher of mine was best friend's with one of the boys who was killed.
Crazy times.
One day, a group of college-age kids were sitting on the floor in a corner of the lobby of the Kent Plaza Theater. My dad was the assistant manager at the time, and his boss told him to "go over to that long-haired guy and tell him and his friends that they can't loiter in the lobby". My dad informed his boss who the long-haired guy was, to no avail, so he had to go over and sheepishly tell Joe Walsh that he couldn't hang out there anymore.
Growing up one town over, I would find out that one of my HS teachers should have been in the National Guard unit that was at Kent State that day, but he was having knee surgery. A middle school teacher of mine was best friend's with one of the boys who was killed.
Crazy times.
One guy that I worked with once was there that day...a student. Another guy I worked with was there....as part of the National Guard. (but not a part of the squad that did the firing). And my next door neighbor now was also there on the day. He was like right around the corner of Taylor Hall when it happened. One of the guys that was shot (not killed) lives about a block and a half from where I sit now.
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lol... and so begins the turn to "I knew it all along"...
I really want to see the posts where Gip "thought this thru".
Serious? Obuse a bit? You won't see posts where I express my thought processes....only my conclusions. Besides...did you not read what I said?
I said that I had questioned the choice of Ward over Chubb initially...but then after thinking it through....I concluded that if their talents were equal, that it was in the Browns interests to choose the CB...because it is a position of far greater need for us.
Did you miss that whole expression....or were you too self involved in your desire to be critical that it passed you over?
Serious? Obuse a bit? You won't see posts where I express my thought processes....only my conclusions. Besides...did you not read what I said?
I said that I had questioned the choice of Ward over Chubb initially...but then after thinking it through....I concluded that if their talents were equal, that it was in the Browns interests to choose the CB...because it is a position of far greater need for us.
Did you miss that whole expression....or were you too self involved in your desire to be critical that it passed you over?
You call a poster "clueless" and I am the critical one. lol
You barely mentioned Ward thru the entire draft build up (I know... I checked) and then want to claim "insight"... without ever having taken a stand or showing your work.
You are the biggest fraud on this forum.
And going back on ignore... which is a big time saver for me.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Serious? Obuse a bit? You won't see posts where I express my thought processes....only my conclusions. Besides...did you not read what I said?
I said that I had questioned the choice of Ward over Chubb initially...but then after thinking it through....I concluded that if their talents were equal, that it was in the Browns interests to choose the CB...because it is a position of far greater need for us.
Did you miss that whole expression....or were you too self involved in your desire to be critical that it passed you over?
You call a poster "clueless" and I am the critical one. lol
You barely mentioned Ward thru the entire draft build up (I know... I checked) and then want to claim "insight"... without ever having taken a stand or showing your work.
You are the biggest fraud on this forum.
And going back on ignore... which is a big time saver for me.
You call a poster "clueless" and I am the critical one. lol
Defending Steeler fans now? I called him clueless because he was. And I am calling you on your impatience and eager desire to criticize...without thought.
You barely mentioned Ward thru the entire draft build up (I know... I checked) and then want to claim "insight"... without ever having taken a stand or showing your work.
Well....NO SHITe Sherlock I never mentioned Ward in the draft buildup.....almost NO ONE had any thought for him, now did they? And I did NOT claim to have any insight. Where the fuyuck do you see that I said that? I said that AFTER the Browns took Ward that I realized what sense it made.
And what is this STAND that I am supposed to have taken? The ONLY "stand" I recall making was about Mason Rudolph...and how I thought that he could turn up to be the best QB on the board. I made a stand there.....I proposed a bet with you.....that he would be taken in Round one. YOU are the one that failed and refused to take a stand by taking me up on that bet. So. who is the one not taking a stand? You Chickened out. Chicken
And what is this "Work" that I am supposed to have shown....that one comes from way out in left field. I didn't realize we were doing Math.
You are the biggest fraud on this forum.
Really? I admit when I am wrong. I got it wrong about Rudolph. I never claimed to take any stance about Ward. I said afterward that it then made sense after it was done and I gave it some thought. Something you never seem to do with your posts lately (because of your over eagerness to be critical I suspect).
And going back on ignore... which is a big time saver for me.
And there you go.....back on your menstrual cycle. Another diklikkinchikin move. You may as well do nothing in your defense...since you have no defense. Maybe you can't see what I say...but everyone else can see you bleed.
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Now this is interesting. According to Highsmith are doing away with the centerfield safety position which we had because our corners sucked.
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Now this is interesting. According to Highsmith are doing away with the centerfield safety position which we had because our corners sucked.
Now this is interesting. According to Highsmith are doing away with the centerfield safety position which we had because our corners sucked.
So baring Wilson breaking out, we can shade our FS to the side of our remaining CB that sucks?
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Now this is interesting. According to Highsmith are doing away with the centerfield safety position which we had because our corners sucked.
So baring Wilson breaking out, we can shade our FS to the side of our remaining CB that sucks?
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Now this is interesting. According to Highsmith are doing away with the centerfield safety position which we had because our corners sucked.
Now this is interesting. According to Highsmith are doing away with the centerfield safety position which we had because our corners sucked.
I've said that in the past - the corners were toast downfield - the Browns had to have Peppers back there to try to limit
the quick scores on long passes. This is GREAT to hear.
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