POLL: When will Baker start?
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Ditto, h... and 2-4 after 6 with pressure building to start "the kid".
I have a hard time seeing a path to this eventuality, jcam. TT will get the ones vs the ones in Preseason, BM the 2s v 2s. So even if Baker posts the better stats, there will be that level of competition thing.
Interesting... but still leaves a third of the snaps.
That was allowed in large part due to Bell being very effective running out of the gun... something Crow was not good at. So bringing that frequency to us depends in large part on how proficient Hyde and Chubb are flanking the gun.
Did not see a lot of Hyde in SF, but what I saw seemed to feature him in either the "I" or singleback.
Chubb? More alongside the gun, but TBH I've a hard time separating his snaps from Michel's, who I think did most of his work from the gun.
But you also have to take into consideration on who was calling the plays last year and how it affected are skill players
But you also have to take into consideration on who was calling the plays last year and how it affected are skill players
HUe will STILL be calling the plays, The OC only does what the HC gives him a map to do. OC = Coffee Fetcher. Hue Jackson has Dee's approval, so he rules and runs this team.
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Look, the simple truth here is that you don't go from 0-16 to a playoff team. We've improved dramatically, but realistically by week 10-12 we'll but sitting at +/- 3 wins and out of the playoff hunt. Unless Taylor brings a whole new gear to his game, he'll prove to be exactly what the Browns need to this point in the season. Start the rook at this point and see what happens. Taylor is a pretty legitimate starter in this league and we actually for the first time in a decade have a plan in place to not throw a QB into the fire. That doesn't mean the guy you drafted #1 should ride the plan for 3 years, but let's get some stability in place first.
Look, the simple truth here is that you don't go from 0-16 to a playoff team. We've improved dramatically, but realistically by week 10-12 we'll but sitting at +/- 3 wins and out of the playoff hunt. Unless Taylor brings a whole new gear to his game, he'll prove to be exactly what the Browns need to this point in the season. Start the rook at this point and see what happens. Taylor is a pretty legitimate starter in this league and we actually for the first time in a decade have a plan in place to not throw a QB into the fire. That doesn't mean the guy you drafted #1 should ride the plan for 3 years, but let's get some stability in place first.
Horseschidt. We haven't done Jack schidt. Every year you blowholes say the same thing in the off season...." We've improved dramatically". We haven't played a fukcking game, SOrry Sparky, we HAVE NOT IMPROVED. All we have done is added new faces. That has no guarantee of schidt.
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But you also have to take into consideration on who was calling the plays last year and how it affected are skill players
HUe will STILL be calling the plays, The OC only does what the HC gives him a map to do. OC = Coffee Fetcher. Hue Jackson has Dee's approval, so he rules and runs this team.
HUe will STILL be calling the plays, The OC only does what the HC gives him a map to do. OC = Coffee Fetcher. Hue Jackson has Dee's approval, so he rules and runs this team.
then were doomed i tell ya doomed But it makes me wonder why haley would take the job if he was not given play calling duties and from what i have read that is the case
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Look, the simple truth here is that you don't go from 0-16 to a playoff team. We've improved dramatically, but realistically by week 10-12 we'll but sitting at +/- 3 wins and out of the playoff hunt. Unless Taylor brings a whole new gear to his game, he'll prove to be exactly what the Browns need to this point in the season. Start the rook at this point and see what happens. Taylor is a pretty legitimate starter in this league and we actually for the first time in a decade have a plan in place to not throw a QB into the fire. That doesn't mean the guy you drafted #1 should ride the plan for 3 years, but let's get some stability in place first.
Horseschidt. We haven't done Jack schidt. Every year you blowholes say the same thing in the off season...." We've improved dramatically". We haven't played a fukcking game, SOrry Sparky, we HAVE NOT IMPROVED. All we have done is added new faces. That has no guarantee of schidt.
Horseschidt. We haven't done Jack schidt. Every year you blowholes say the same thing in the off season...." We've improved dramatically". We haven't played a fukcking game, SOrry Sparky, we HAVE NOT IMPROVED. All we have done is added new faces. That has no guarantee of schidt.
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The Baker Mayfield Era will start sooner than later. I don't know if you can sit a guy like this. If he's all we hope for and more the team will demand to play for Baker. He's their leader now- likely they won't declare Mayfield the starter because it'd be stupid. They want Mayfield to beat Taylor for it. They did the same thing last year with Kizer... magically rising in the ranks each preseason game and declared he won it. The situation may be the same but the QBs are very different, therefor the results will be different as well. Dorsey may be "in charge" now but Hue's gonna do what Hue's gonna do.
I think Mayfield does start the opener in Cleveland- the mania will be tangible- and if he is able to beat the Steelers and win our first home opener this decade, a legend will be born.
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I just think the front office wants to try things different, not rush a qb like they have. I love your points on Baker and Taylor both being zero and zero with the playera and coaches we have. The only difference right now is the time Taylor has put in. Baker is our future and if he shows he is ready then maybe the last 4 or 5 games. If we are gonna be shitty, its not gonna be because of Tyrod.
Again, the time served being noted, the decisions of the coaches come down to whether the team is winning and soothing the fans. If we are at 0 - 7, I think decisions get made that aren't necessarily football smart, but instead marketing smart.
Again, the time served being noted, the decisions of the coaches come down to whether the team is winning and soothing the fans. If we are at 0 - 7, I think decisions get made that aren't necessarily football smart, but instead marketing smart.
Agreed. Greg will be head coach if we are 0 and 7.
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The operative term used by Gooley what's the word camp. Nothing that Mayfield does in camp will be enough to show up tie rod Taylor. Only with Mayfield does in real NFL regular season games matters. If they think that he has developed enough then he may start to see the field somewhere around mid season. That should be earliest and it is only what he does in the regular season that matters
The problem is- the horrendous impatience of the majority of Browns fans. Let's get real- we're staring an 0-2 start to the season, and how many more losses will it take for the fans to start screaming for Baker the Savior to take over?
The problem is- the horrendous impatience of the majority of Browns fans. Let's get real- we're staring an 0-2 start to the season, and how many more losses will it take for the fans to start screaming for Baker the Savior to take over?
They're beating Pittsburgh in the opener. Book it.
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But you also have to take into consideration on who was calling the plays last year and how it affected are skill players
HUe will STILL be calling the plays, The OC only does what the HC gives him a map to do. OC = Coffee Fetcher. Hue Jackson has Dee's approval, so he rules and runs this team.
HUe will STILL be calling the plays, The OC only does what the HC gives him a map to do. OC = Coffee Fetcher. Hue Jackson has Dee's approval, so he rules and runs this team.
I do not believe this will be the case at all. Haley is THE man for calling plays and designing the offense. I'm sure Hue and he will work on the game plan but play to play in game is Haley.
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The Baker Mayfield Era will start sooner than later. I don't know if you can sit a guy like this. If he's all we hope for and more the team will demand to play for Baker. He's their leader now- likely they won't declare Mayfield the starter because it'd be stupid. They want Mayfield to beat Taylor for it. They did the same thing last year with Kizer... magically rising in the ranks each preseason game and declared he won it. The situation may be the same but the QBs are very different, therefor the results will be different as well. Dorsey may be "in charge" now but Hue's gonna do what Hue's gonna do.
I think Mayfield does start the opener in Cleveland- the mania will be tangible- and if he is able to beat the Steelers and win our first home opener this decade, a legend will be born.
The Baker Mayfield Era will start sooner than later. I don't know if you can sit a guy like this. If he's all we hope for and more the team will demand to play for Baker. He's their leader now- likely they won't declare Mayfield the starter because it'd be stupid. They want Mayfield to beat Taylor for it. They did the same thing last year with Kizer... magically rising in the ranks each preseason game and declared he won it. The situation may be the same but the QBs are very different, therefor the results will be different as well. Dorsey may be "in charge" now but Hue's gonna do what Hue's gonna do.
I think Mayfield does start the opener in Cleveland- the mania will be tangible- and if he is able to beat the Steelers and win our first home opener this decade, a legend will be born.
I'd like to think Mayfield sits until AT LEAST the bye week, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if he starts Week 1.
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Then, a few lines (and taunts) later...
Yepp. That was consistent.
It's offseason, the days after Draft gifts. You cannot ask a 1-35 team fans not to wonder when will they see their new toys in action.
Look dimple finger............. learn to comprehend. I am assuming you did not do well in English classes?
When I said "nobody can predict" when Baker will start, I meant it, and I did not contradict myself. The point I was making is that there are a ton of variables that will affect this. THe point I was making is that even Hue and Dorsey don't know when Baker will start. The point I was making was that no matter what the staff decides............ IF the Browns go 0 - 7, there might very well be so much pressure from the fans, and embarrassment on Haslam that Baker could get called up. I never said he WILL. Along the same lines, management can say they are sitting him most of the season, but should Tie Rod get hurt....................the plan to start Baker changes. Likewise, if the kid show up Black Tarkenton in camp and preseason, management may scrap the plans to sit Baker and fire him right up.
This is not something that anyone can predict.
Look dimple finger............. learn to comprehend. I am assuming you did not do well in English classes?
LOL! I'd say his English is far better than many on here and not bad at all for a guy who has lived in Pamplona, Spain all his life learning English as a second language.
EDIT: And living that close to France I'm betting he knows a bit about French too. Maybe even some Italian as well. Am I giving you too much credit there Nero?
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As I said,
If Mayfield outperforms Tie Rod................. which he will, then the Browns have a problem sitting the kid.
Also.......... TieRod is Black Tarkenton. Run first QBs get hurt, and in Cleveland? I promise you, if Taylor does start, he will get fukcked up before too long. Mayfield is NOT going to be on the bench for the majority of the season. You would have to be a fool to think that.
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This is the same line of thought I initiated the Mayfield Mayehm thread. Redundant.
As I replied to Orion, you can create your little scenarios about how we should proceed... blah, blah. blah.. let tie rod do this....then let Mayfield do this......
Sorry, but you just cannot predict when Baker will start. There are a ton of variables involved and nobody here knows when the right time will be. Not even the coaches nor Dorsey know that. All this bullschidt about starting him when he is ready is absolute Browns, self-deprecating, annual stupidity.
If Mayfield shows up Tie Rod in camp and preseason, that means he is better. Period. It doesn't matter what his experience level is........... if he beats Tie Rod then CLEARLY, Tie Rod's "experience" doesn't amount to a hill of schidt. How much NFL experience did Sipe have when he rescued the Browns? How much " mentoring" did Brady have? Is the ideal situation to let Tie Rod help build the team, maybe win 7 or 8 games and then hand it off to Mayfield? Yeah.....for you pussies.
It doesn't matter if you think Mayfield is ready or not. If the Browns are 0 - 7, Haslam will face testicular amputation. NOBODY is going to put up for another year like that. We go 0 - a bunch, Mayfiled is going to be baptized by fire. That's just how it works. Nobody in their right mind sits their better QB. YOu can slobber all you want about the pro set, and blah blah blah, but football is the game even a mental moron (Kosar) can master. It is 99% athleticism and natural instinct. If Mayfield is the schidt................. nobody in their right mind is going to play Tie Rod Tarlenton.
Sorry, but you just cannot predict when Baker will start. There are a ton of variables involved and nobody here knows when the right time will be. Not even the coaches nor Dorsey know that
True Dat.
And PoG showed us a video of all the #1 pick QB's in recent history...and how many started week one. I think the difference here is that we knew we were taking a QB #1 overall. AND we traded for an experienced QB to start for us so that our #1 pick QB would NOT play. We have an actual plan.
As you say Ghoolie (won't call you Ghoul if you play nice), Then life happens and all bets are off. Yup, if Baker learns the playbook better than TieRod...if he practices better than TieRod...if he plays better than TieRod. But that's an awful lot of if's for a rookie QB. Kizer started last year, but like I said last year, the bar for him was low. We had inexperienced bums that he had to beat out. The bar is higher this year for Baker.
Yes, we have a trigger fingered owner who will want Baker playing if we're losing. And we have Hue who will, again this year, do anything he can to save his job...including playing Mayfield when he may not be ready.
TieRod has learned an NFL playbook before. TieRod has experienced the speed of the NFL. He's taken snaps under center, called out protections, identified blitzers, called audibles, etc. Baker needs to learn a lot of that.
I hope we win some games so that Baker can come in and take over when he has control of what he's been taught. (I can hope, right?)
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Then, a few lines (and taunts) later...
Yepp. That was consistent.
It's offseason, the days after Draft gifts. You cannot ask a 1-35 team fans not to wonder when will they see their new toys in action.
Look dimple finger............. learn to comprehend. I am assuming you did not do well in English classes?
When I said "nobody can predict" when Baker will start, I meant it, and I did not contradict myself. The point I was making is that there are a ton of variables that will affect this. THe point I was making is that even Hue and Dorsey don't know when Baker will start. The point I was making was that no matter what the staff decides............ IF the Browns go 0 - 7, there might very well be so much pressure from the fans, and embarrassment on Haslam that Baker could get called up. I never said he WILL. Along the same lines, management can say they are sitting him most of the season, but should Tie Rod get hurt....................the plan to start Baker changes. Likewise, if the kid show up Black Tarkenton in camp and preseason, management may scrap the plans to sit Baker and fire him right up.
This is not something that anyone can predict.
Look dimple finger............. learn to comprehend. I am assuming you did not do well in English classes?
When I said "nobody can predict" when Baker will start, I meant it, and I did not contradict myself. The point I was making is that there are a ton of variables that will affect this. THe point I was making is that even Hue and Dorsey don't know when Baker will start. The point I was making was that no matter what the staff decides............ IF the Browns go 0 - 7, there might very well be so much pressure from the fans, and embarrassment on Haslam that Baker could get called up. I never said he WILL. Along the same lines, management can say they are sitting him most of the season, but should Tie Rod get hurt....................the plan to start Baker changes. Likewise, if the kid show up Black Tarkenton in camp and preseason, management may scrap the plans to sit Baker and fire him right up.
This is not something that anyone can predict.
I was trying to pull your leg there, lol. I understood what you meant, but I was trying to imply the bit that I didn't quote, the "Browns fans annual deprecating themselves". Because your thinking isn't that far off of some who you call are self deprecating themselves, so there's no need to say that, in my point of view.
Of course nobody can predict what will happen, we can only make scenarios in our minds, you and the ones you accuse make them, all the time. And that's what this Board is all about.
I'm assuming you did not well in English classes?
At least in my case it was my third language classes behind Spanish and Basque!
LOL! I'd say his English is far better than many on here and not bad at all for a guy who has lived in Pamplona, Spain all his life learning English as a second language.
EDIT: And living that close to France I'm betting he knows a bit about French too. Maybe even some Italian as well. Am I giving you too much credit there Nero?
I've only lived in an English speaking country for two months when I went to work as a waiter in London back when I was 20.
Currently I'd say that the order is Spanish, English, Basque (sadly because I don't use it and I'm losing practise). Then I speak a little bit of French and German. I'm planning to learn both.
I have never learnt Italian, I just know a few words like everyone else, but it is said that for Spaniards it takes just 1-2 years to speak Italian quite fluently and vice versa. So I don't take it out of my wish list.
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Sorry, but you just cannot predict when Baker will start. There are a ton of variables involved and nobody here knows when the right time will be. Not even the coaches nor Dorsey know that
True Dat.
And PoG showed us a video of all the #1 pick QB's in recent history...and how many started week one. I think the difference here is that we knew we were taking a QB #1 overall. AND we traded for an experienced QB to start for us so that our #1 pick QB would NOT play. We have an actual plan.
As you say Ghoolie (won't call you Ghoul if you play nice), Then life happens and all bets are off. Yup, if Baker learns the playbook better than TieRod...if he practices better than TieRod...if he plays better than TieRod. But that's an awful lot of if's for a rookie QB. Kizer started last year, but like I said last year, the bar for him was low. We had inexperienced bums that he had to beat out. The bar is higher this year for Baker.
Yes, we have a trigger fingered owner who will want Baker playing if we're losing. And we have Hue who will, again this year, do anything he can to save his job...including playing Mayfield when he may not be ready.
TieRod has learned an NFL playbook before. TieRod has experienced the speed of the NFL. He's taken snaps under center, called out protections, identified blitzers, called audibles, etc. Baker needs to learn a lot of that.
I hope we win some games so that Baker can come in and take over when he has control of what he's been taught. (I can hope, right?)
True Dat.
And PoG showed us a video of all the #1 pick QB's in recent history...and how many started week one. I think the difference here is that we knew we were taking a QB #1 overall. AND we traded for an experienced QB to start for us so that our #1 pick QB would NOT play. We have an actual plan.
As you say Ghoolie (won't call you Ghoul if you play nice), Then life happens and all bets are off. Yup, if Baker learns the playbook better than TieRod...if he practices better than TieRod...if he plays better than TieRod. But that's an awful lot of if's for a rookie QB. Kizer started last year, but like I said last year, the bar for him was low. We had inexperienced bums that he had to beat out. The bar is higher this year for Baker.
Yes, we have a trigger fingered owner who will want Baker playing if we're losing. And we have Hue who will, again this year, do anything he can to save his job...including playing Mayfield when he may not be ready.
TieRod has learned an NFL playbook before. TieRod has experienced the speed of the NFL. He's taken snaps under center, called out protections, identified blitzers, called audibles, etc. Baker needs to learn a lot of that.
I hope we win some games so that Baker can come in and take over when he has control of what he's been taught. (I can hope, right?)
I don't have a disagreement with any of this. I do believe that there is a tendency, maybe even wishful thinking every year that finally the Browns have a common sense plan in place for rearing the new QB. I have never believed this to be the case, and hence a lot of guys argue with me, and of course get the fire of Ghoolie. On the surface, it looks good. Seasoned Vet to give the new kid a stay of execution, give the Browns a chance to groom the guy for a year.... learn the nuances, learn the schemes, etc etc etc.
Do you think that's what management is hoping for? A good solid year from Tie Rod and then Baker eases into the scene?
I really don't believe that at all. I believe TieRod is nothing more than an insurance policy, a buffer if you will. Follow with me.
1) If Tie Rod plays well, we winn 6, 7,8 or more games, management wins. They look good, Baker isn't thrown to the wolves.
2) Tie Rod blows, Haslam forces his hand and play Baker. Baker amazes, Jimmy looks great. Baker blows, Jimmy blames it on Tie Rod no holding his end down.
I don't think anyone in management sees any path where Baker does not, at some point in 2018 assume ownership of the team. He has to. You can't have the #1 pick on the bench all year, then Tie Rod going 10 -6, so now, why even bring Baker in, the case could be made. There is a high probability that Tie rod Tarkenton is going to get hurt. I really believe this. I believe he was brought in as a fluffer.
We shall see.
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Look dimple finger............. learn to comprehend. I am assuming you did not do well in English classes?
When I said "nobody can predict" when Baker will start, I meant it, and I did not contradict myself. The point I was making is that there are a ton of variables that will affect this. THe point I was making is that even Hue and Dorsey don't know when Baker will start. The point I was making was that no matter what the staff decides............ IF the Browns go 0 - 7, there might very well be so much pressure from the fans, and embarrassment on Haslam that Baker could get called up. I never said he WILL. Along the same lines, management can say they are sitting him most of the season, but should Tie Rod get hurt....................the plan to start Baker changes. Likewise, if the kid show up Black Tarkenton in camp and preseason, management may scrap the plans to sit Baker and fire him right up.
This is not something that anyone can predict.
I was trying to pull your leg there, lol. I understood what you meant, but I was trying to imply the bit that I didn't quote, the "Browns fans annual deprecating themselves". Because your thinking isn't that far off of some who you call are self deprecating themselves, so there's no need to say that, in my point of view.
Of course nobody can predict what will happen, we can only make scenarios in our minds, you and the ones you accuse make them, all the time. And that's what this Board is all about.
I'm assuming you did not well in English classes?
At least in my case it was my third language classes behind Spanish and Basque!
LOL! I'd say his English is far better than many on here and not bad at all for a guy who has lived in Pamplona, Spain all his life learning English as a second language.
EDIT: And living that close to France I'm betting he knows a bit about French too. Maybe even some Italian as well. Am I giving you too much credit there Nero?
I've only lived in an English speaking country for two months when I went to work as a waiter in London back when I was 20.
Currently I'd say that the order is Spanish, English, Basque (sadly because I don't use it and I'm losing practise). Then I speak a little bit of French and German. I'm planning to learn both.
I have never learnt Italian, I just know a few words like everyone else, but it is said that for Spaniards it takes just 1-2 years to speak Italian quite fluently and vice versa. So I don't take it out of my wish list.
Currently I'd say that the order is Spanish, English, Basque (sadly because I don't use it and I'm losing practise). Then I speak a little bit of French and German. I'm planning to learn both.
I have never learnt Italian, I just know a few words like everyone else, but it is said that for Spaniards it takes just 1-2 years to speak Italian quite fluently and vice versa. So I don't take it out of my wish list.
If you went to Italy and stayed immersed in it for about two months, you'd be fluent because of Spanish being your first language. I used the BBC elementary Italian program on line for about two months before we took a 2 week visit and even though my Spanish stays very rusty from non-use, by the end of that two weeks I could understand the gist of what was being said and was able to reply in at least an elementary sense. When I go to a Spanish speaking country it takes me a few days to get back enough fluency to stay up decently as long as I do not fear being wrong or ask for the proper way to say things. I would like to go do an immersion course like in Madrid or Argentina some day where you go to school all day and live with a local family when not in school. I think it's the only way I can get back what I had over 50 years ago in Venezuela. Had a funny conversation with a waitress in a Madrid where we were speaking back in forth quite well. Turned out that she was from Caracas where I learned the majority of my Spanish. Dialects help! LOL!
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... I hate it when that happens.
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domcooch's thread got merged and now I've got Phoolie all over my shoes...
... I hate it when that happens.
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domcooch's thread got merged and now I've got Phoolie all over my shoes...
... I hate it when that happens.
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