Lamar Jackson to the Ravens
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For all I have posted about Black Tarkentons, I really can't believe the topic of this RG4 QB even got responses.
People, people, people.............do I have to start putting red flag caution indicator on some of this crap? My ONLY sober thought on this idiotic topic was really to insinuate that Jackson would be another RG crapola waste of time. Good grief, the only thing this kid is going to toast is the Ravens. Still, I wouldn't have been surprised if Hue took him.
For the record, I think the Browns made a mistake not grooming Kizer and giving him a real opportunity. I hope Jackson does well. The kid will be breathing down Flaccos neck.
Tuneman, can you explain to me how "Jackson doing well" and "toasting the Ravens franchise" jive together? Breathing down the starter Flaccos neck right?
GM Dorsey did not take him because that man can draft.
For the record, I think the Browns made a mistake not grooming Kizer and giving him a real opportunity. I hope Jackson does well. The kid will be breathing down Flaccos neck.
Tuneman, can you explain to me how "Jackson doing well" and "toasting the Ravens franchise" jive together? Breathing down the starter Flaccos neck right?
GM Dorsey did not take him because that man can draft.
I called Kizer a buffoon. Still, I wished him the best. I don't believe he will do well, but, he is a nice kid. He got drafted, people are calling him a dumb butt. He had better poise in the process than I WANNA BE A COWBOY Zumba girl. I think he will flop, but I hope for his sake he does really well. Jives perfectly well.
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I bet Jackson ends up being one of the top 2 QB in this draft over his career.
Mayfeild = Drew Brees
Jackson = Mike Vick
Rosen = Sam Bradford
Darnold = Blaine Gabbert
Allen = Deshone Kizer
I bet Jackson ends up being one of the top 2 QB in this draft over his career.
Mayfeild = Drew Brees
Jackson = Mike Vick
Rosen = Sam Bradford
Darnold = Blaine Gabbert
Allen = Deshone Kizer
finger = Penis
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For all I have posted about Black Tarkentons, I really can't believe the topic of this RG4 QB even got responses.
People, people, people.............do I have to start putting red flag caution indicator on some of this crap? My ONLY sober thought on this idiotic topic was really to insinuate that Jackson would be another RG crapola waste of time. Good grief, the only thing this kid is going to toast is the Ravens. Still, I wouldn't have been surprised if Hue took him.
I am good with Mayfield. SOmewhere back in all this pile, I believe he was the guy I said we should go after. Again, the QB lottery is a guess. We chose one of the top QBs. YOu can't ask for more than that. What happens, happens. We will see.
Why then, are we wasting our breath on him. He is a Ratpuker now. Let him wallow in that garbage.
Why then, are we wasting our breath on him. He is a Ratpuker now. Let him wallow in that garbage.
I have always enjoyed turning this forum into Green Acres. Jackson was like the citizens of Hooterville seceding from the Union. Hell, I generated TONS of responses over the idiotic SUMO topic, Hoorta even did research. How the hell can I NOT enjoy schidt like this?
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Lamar is NOT the Jackson that I would be afraid of....but....if I hear this, I'm worried:
Real burgers are great.
I had one tonight.
Real burgers are great.
I had one tonight.
Have another one in the morning you know the cornerstone.
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Why?
Jackson will be another running QB who wont throw the ball away when the pass play is not there. He try to be Barry Sanders and will get busted up like RG3 and Vick.
He had over 3500 yds passing 2 seasons in a row.
He can throw fine
He had over 3500 yds passing 2 seasons in a row.
He (Jackson) can throw fine...
He's not a Brown, so let it go... Had far more rushing yards than either Michael Vick or RG III in college. Griffin had a far superior completion % in college.
That wunderlich says he's not exactly too bright. Remains to be seen if athleticism trumps intelligence- I'm betting NOT, at least at QB.
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OH yeah?
Over 1500 rushing yards in consecutive seasons. At least 18 rushing TDs in each season. Jackson averaged 20 carries per game x 13 games in 2016. Averaged 18 carries per game x 13 games in 2017. You think he will suddenly stop running? The odds are not in your favor that he will.
56% completion rate in 2016. Same as Josh Allen. Ask all the Allen haters here why this number sucks.
59% completion rate in 2017. Headed to a league where it all gets real.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-jackson-1.html
how many thousands of extra yards per season than Allen just in passing yards alone?
how many thousands of extra yards per season than Allen just in passing yards alone?
Defenses had to respect Jackson was a running threat, no?
How many pros did Jackson play against at Louie? Out of thousands of players about 200 players are drafted from all the NCAA football programs. Everybody is a pro at the NFL level. Strong, fast and smart. Jackson will get crushed in the NFL if he runs and I dont see him surviving taking away his run game.
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Personally I hope Lamar Jackson sucks. Not because I dislike him but because he will be the quarterback for the flying rats.
WSS
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how many thousands of extra yards per season than Allen just in passing yards alone?
Defenses had to respect Jackson was a running threat, no?
How many pros did Jackson play against at Louie? Out of thousands of players about 200 players are drafted from all the NCAA football programs. Everybody is a pro at the NFL level. Strong, fast and smart. Jackson will get crushed in the NFL if he runs and I dont see him surviving taking away his run game.
Defenses had to respect Jackson was a running threat, no?
How many pros did Jackson play against at Louie? Out of thousands of players about 200 players are drafted from all the NCAA football programs. Everybody is a pro at the NFL level. Strong, fast and smart. Jackson will get crushed in the NFL if he runs and I dont see him surviving taking away his run game.
He's still gonna be one of the fastest guys on the entire field in the NFL. He's faster than most WR and CB. I don't think he's missed any games with injuries thus far has he?
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Defenses had to respect Jackson was a running threat, no?
How many pros did Jackson play against at Louie? Out of thousands of players about 200 players are drafted from all the NCAA football programs. Everybody is a pro at the NFL level. Strong, fast and smart. Jackson will get crushed in the NFL if he runs and I dont see him surviving taking away his run game.
He's still gonna be one of the fastest guys on the entire field in the NFL. He's faster than most WR and CB. I don't think he's missed any games with injuries thus far has he?
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Fast guys get tackled all the time in the NFL.
There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.
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Fast guys get tackled all the time in the NFL.
There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.
There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.
Or not. Anyway if he is a world-class runner as you say, he can always pull a Pryor if or when he falls on his butt as a quarterback.
WSS
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Fast guys get tackled all the time in the NFL.
There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.
There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.
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how many thousands of extra yards per season than Allen just in passing yards alone?
Defenses had to respect Jackson was a running threat, no?
How many pros did Jackson play against at Louie? Out of thousands of players about 200 players are drafted from all the NCAA football programs. Everybody is a pro at the NFL level. Strong, fast and smart. Jackson will get crushed in the NFL if he runs and I dont see him surviving taking away his run game.
How many pros did Jackson play against at Louie?
57 plus UDFAs...
Allen? 11 plus UDFAs...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So 180 lb WR are quite common.... But a 215 lb athletic specimen at qb will break in half at first contact.
I don't get the reasoning
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How many pros did Jackson play against at Louie?
57 plus UDFAs...
Allen? 11 plus UDFAs...
57 plus UDFAs...
Allen? 11 plus UDFAs...
Jackson 2017
Miss State - 0
Kentucky - 0
Kent State - 0
Clemson - 1
3rd LB
Boston Coll - 3
2nd DE
3rd DB
6th DB
Purdue - 1
5th LB
NC State - 4
1st DE
3rd DT
3rd DT
4th DT
NC - 2
2nd DB
7th LB
FL State - 3
1st DB
3rd DT
4th DE
Syracuse - 1
7th LB
Wake Forest - 2
2nd DB
6th DE
Virginia - 2
5th LB
5th LB
19 TOTAL DRAFTED
1st x 2
2nd x 3
3rd x 5
4th x 2
5th x 3
6th x 2
7th x 2
In reality about 5 - 10 NFL caliber players assuming the 1st round and 2nd round guys pan out and some of the other guys will be depth.
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So 180 lb WR are quite common.... But a 215 lb athletic specimen at qb will break in half at first contact.
I don't get the reasoning
So 180 lb WR are quite common.... But a 215 lb athletic specimen at qb will break in half at first contact.
I don't get the reasoning
RBs take a beating in the NFL and their careers are short lived. A WR is afforded a little protection within the rules.
My money is on this mobile QB experiment not working. Ghoolie is right, the days of Tarkenton are over. The successful teams stay in the pocket because its a passing league. The Browns appear to be joining the party with Mayfield. Throwing the ball away on 3rd and punting can be the smartest move to make sometimes.
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Jackson faced 57 players who were drafted by the NFL.... plus UDFAs. Does look like 8 of the 57 were Louisville players, so he only faced them in practice.
Drafted Players
Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Int Sk College/Univ 1 2017 2 51 DeMarcus Walker DE 22 DEN 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 10 0 1.0 Florida St. College Stats 2 2017 2 61 Josh Jones S 22 GNB 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 16 7 1 2.0 North Carolina St. College Stats 3 2017 3 91 John Johnson S 21 LAR 2017 2017 0 0 1 5 16 11 1 Boston Col. College Stats 4 2017 3 97 Cordrea Tankersley CB 23 MIA 2017 2017 0 0 1 3 11 11 Clemson College Stats 5 2017 3 102 Nazair Jones DT 22 SEA 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 11 2 1 2.0 North Carolina College Stats 6 2017 4 113 Rayshawn Jenkins S 23 LAC 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 15 0 Miami (FL) College Stats 7 2017 4 142 Carlos Watkins DT 23 HOU 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 12 6 Clemson College Stats 8 2017 5 152 Corn Elder CB 22 CAR 0 0 0 Miami (FL) College Stats 9 2017 5 163 Matt Milano LB 23 BUF 2017 2017 0 0 0 4 16 5 1 Boston Col. College Stats 10 2017 5 168 Marquel Lee LB 21 OAK 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 13 6 Wake Forest College Stats 11 2017 6 186 Chuck Clark DB 22 BAL 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 15 0 Virginia Tech College Stats 12 2017 6 196 Al-Quadin Muhammad DE 22 NOR 2017 2017 0 0 0 0 4 0 Miami (FL) College Stats 13 2017 6 216 Marquez White CB 22 DAL 0 0 0 Florida St. College Stats 14 2017 7 229 Adrian Colbert DB 23 SFO 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 14 6 Miami (FL) College Stats 15 2017 7 230 Josh Harvey-Clemons S 23 WAS 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 10 0 0.5 Louisville College Stats 16 2017 7 234 Ejuan Price DE 24 LAR 2017 2017 0 0 0 0 1 0 Pittsburgh College Stats 17 2017 7 245 Jack Tocho CB 21 MIN 0 0 0 North Carolina St. College Stats 18 2016 1 5 Jalen Ramsey CB 21 JAX 2016 2017 1 1 2 22 32 32 6 Florida St. College Stats 19 2016 1 12 Sheldon Rankins DT 22 NOR 2016 2017 0 0 1 8 25 16 1 6.0 Louisville College Stats 20 2016 1 19 Shaq Lawson DE 22 BUF 2016 2017 0 0 1 5 21 11 6.0 Clemson College Stats 21 2016 1 25 Artie Burns CB 21 PIT 2016 2017 0 0 1 11 32 25 4 Miami (FL) College Stats 22 2016 2 33 Kevin Dodd DE 24 TEN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 18 1 1.0 Clemson College Stats 23 2016 2 54 Mackensie Alexander CB 22 MIN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 27 0 1 Clemson College Stats 24 2016 2 57 T.J. Green FS 21 IND 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 31 11 Clemson College Stats 25 2016 2 63 Adam Gotsis DT 23 DEN 2016 2017 0 0 1 8 32 13 2.0 Georgia Tech College Stats 26 2016 3 84 Kendall Fuller CB 21 WAS 2016 2017 0 0 0 6 29 12 4 Virginia Tech College Stats 27 2016 3 98 Justin Simmons FS 22 DEN 2016 2017 0 0 1 7 26 16 4 2.0 Boston Col. College Stats 28 2016 4 109 B.J. Goodson OLB 23 NYG 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 22 7 Clemson College Stats 29 2016 4 118 Juston Burris CB 23 NYJ 2016 2017 0 0 0 3 30 2 2 North Carolina St. College Stats 30 2016 4 124 Deon Bush S 23 CHI 2016 2017 0 0 0 3 24 6 Miami (FL) College Stats Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Int Sk College/Univ College_link 31 2016 5 166 D.J. Reader NT 22 HOU 2016 2017 0 0 1 10 30 21 2.0 Clemson College Stats 32 2016 6 178 D.J. White CB 22 KAN 2016 2017 0 0 0 1 13 0 1 Georgia Tech College Stats 33 2016 6 203 Dadi Nicolas DE 23 KAN 2016 2016 0 0 0 1 11 0 Virginia Tech College Stats 34 2016 6 209 Maurice Canady CB 22 BAL 2016 2017 0 0 0 1 12 1 Virginia College Stats 35 2016 7 232 Steven Daniels ILB 23 WAS 0 0 0 Boston Col. College Stats 36 2016 7 244 Jayron Kearse S 22 MIN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 31 1 Clemson College Stats 37 2015 1 8 Vic Beasley OLB 23 ATL 2015 2017 1 1 3 22 46 36 1 24.5 Clemson College Stats 38 2015 1 16 Kevin Johnson CB 23 HOU 2015 2017 0 0 0 9 34 17 1 Wake Forest College Stats 39 2015 1 31 Stephone Anthony ILB 23 NOR 2015 2017 0 0 1 9 34 19 1 1.0 Clemson College Stats 40 2015 2 35 Mario Edwards DT 21 OAK 2015 2017 0 0 2 11 30 24 5.5 Florida St. College Stats 41 2015 2 39 Eddie Goldman DT 21 CHI 2015 2017 0 0 2 16 36 32 8.5 Florida St. College Stats 42 2015 2 48 Denzel Perryman ILB 22 SDG 2015 2017 0 0 2 12 33 26 1 4.0 Miami (FL) College Stats 43 2015 2 50 Ronald Darby CB 21 BUF 2015 2017 0 0 2 13 37 36 5 Florida St. College Stats 44 2015 3 78 P.J. Williams CB 22 NOR 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 18 8 2 Florida St. College Stats 45 2015 3 79 Eli Harold OLB 21 SFO 2015 2017 0 0 2 12 48 25 5.0 Virginia College Stats 46 2015 3 82 Lorenzo Mauldin OLB 22 NYJ 2015 2016 0 0 0 4 26 4 1 6.5 Louisville College Stats 47 2015 4 104 James Sample SS 23 JAX 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 4 2 Louisville College Stats 48 2015 5 137 Grady Jarrett NT 22 ATL 2015 2017 0 0 2 16 47 32 8.0 Clemson College Stats 49 2015 6 177 Deiontrez Mount OLB 22 TEN 2015 2017 0 0 0 1 12 0 1 Louisville 50 2015 6 179 Max Valles OLB 21 OAK 0 0 0 Virginia College Stats 51 2015 6 181 Kyshoen Jarrett SS 22 WAS 2015 2015 0 0 0 2 16 6 Virginia Tech College Stats 52 2015 6 188 Tony Steward OLB 22 BUF 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 7 0 Clemson 53 2015 6 189 Charles Gaines CB 22 CLE 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 6 4 Louisville College Stats 54 2015 6 193 B.J. Dubose DE 23 MIN 0 0 0 Louisville College Stats 55 2015 6 212 Anthony Chickillo DE 22 PIT 2015 2017 0 0 0 7 38 9 5.5 Miami (FL) College Stats 56 2015 7 237 Brian Mihalik DE 23 PHI 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 15 2 Boston Col. College Stats 57 2015 7 239 Gerod Holliman FS 21 PIT 0 0 0 Louisville College Stats "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Zombo said:
So three years from now, Baker just turned 26 and is getting ready to start his third full season as starter.
Ravens have skinny butt Jackson running around getting hurt.
Steelers are finally throwing Mason Rudolf into the fire after Ben stayed one year too long and Myles Garrett broke his freaking neck.
Andy Dalton is 33 and has still not won a playoff game and the Bungles blow everything up.
It will be good to be the king.
Zombo
I'm starting to like your rich fantasy life Z. Now if you just add in Stormy Daniels I think we're set.
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So 180 lb WR are quite common.... But a 215 lb athletic specimen at qb will break in half at first contact.
I don't get the reasoning
So 180 lb WR are quite common.... But a 215 lb athletic specimen at qb will break in half at first contact.
I don't get the reasoning
Nah- not first contact, but having your franchise qb running 10 times a game is a recipe for disaster. Speaking of- just remembered, and guess who else is on the Ravens roster? None other than RG Knee. Exactly the same height and only 3 pounds heavier than Jackson, ran a 4.4 at the combine IIRC. Same build. Lamar didn't have the knee injury in college that Griffin did, but dang, it sure looks like Ozzie drafted his clone.
RBs take a beating in the NFL and their careers are short lived. A WR is afforded a little protection within the rules.
My money is on this mobile QB experiment not working. Ghoolie is right, the days of Tarkenton are over. The successful teams stay in the pocket because its a passing league. The Browns appear to be joining the party with Mayfield. Throwing the ball away on 3rd and punting can be the smartest move to make sometimes.
Not so much worried about Jackson running, my question is will he have the smarts to develop into a decent pocket passer? LOL, I'm sure Griffin will mentor him on the merits of sliding instead of being a hero and taking a kill shot from the opposition.
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So 180 lb WR are quite common.... But a 215 lb athletic specimen at qb will break in half at first contact.
I don't get the reasoning
Nah- not first contact, but having your franchise qb running 10 times a game is a recipe for disaster. Speaking of- just remembered, and guess who else is on the Ravens roster? None other than RG Knee. Exactly the same height and only 3 pounds heavier than Jackson, ran a 4.4 at the combine IIRC. Same build. Lamar didn't have the knee injury in college that Griffin did, but dang, it sure looks like Ozzie drafted his clone.
RBs take a beating in the NFL and their careers are short lived. A WR is afforded a little protection within the rules.
My money is on this mobile QB experiment not working. Ghoolie is right, the days of Tarkenton are over. The successful teams stay in the pocket because its a passing league. The Browns appear to be joining the party with Mayfield. Throwing the ball away on 3rd and punting can be the smartest move to make sometimes.
Not so much worried about Jackson running, my question is will he have the smarts to develop into a decent pocket passer? LOL, I'm sure Griffin will mentor him on the merits of sliding instead of being a hero and taking a kill shot from the opposition.
Nah- not first contact, but having your franchise qb running 10 times a game is a recipe for disaster. Speaking of- just remembered, and guess who else is on the Ravens roster? None other than RG Knee. Exactly the same height and only 3 pounds heavier than Jackson, ran a 4.4 at the combine IIRC. Same build. Lamar didn't have the knee injury in college that Griffin did, but dang, it sure looks like Ozzie drafted his clone.
Not so much worried about Jackson running, my question is will he have the smarts to develop into a decent pocket passer? LOL, I'm sure Griffin will mentor him on the merits of sliding instead of being a hero and taking a kill shot from the opposition.
I would think he'd run way less than he did in college.
He seems to be able to minimize big hits very well.
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