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  • I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter. 

    Are we talking about Jackson or Josh Allen?😆

  • I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter. 

    And who was that at either of the Ravens' two 1st-round picks?

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    And what did Vick ever accomplish?

    More than about 75% of his contemporaries?

    Was Vick the ideal QB? Not in my book, but he made teams competitive, especially early in his career in ATL, where he was "rode hard and put up wet." After his "hiatus" Andy Reid came close to mainlining him, but by then age and injury were dragging him down.

    Jackson has a chance to develop as a QB... a chance to be good. We've wasted higher picks on QBs with far less of a chance.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter. 

    And who was that at either of the Ravens' two 1st-round picks?

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    And what did Vick ever accomplish?

    More than about 75% of his contemporaries?

    Was Vick the ideal QB? Not in my book, but he made teams competitive, especially early in his career in ATL, where he was "rode hard and put up wet." After his "hiatus" Andy Reid came close to mainlining him, but by then age and injury were dragging him down.

    Jackson has a chance to develop as a QB... a chance to be good. We've wasted higher picks on QBs with far less of a chance.

    @tour2ma said:

    And who was that at either of the Ravens' two 1st-round picks?

    More than about 75% of his contemporaries?

    Was Vick the ideal QB? Not in my book, but he made teams competitive, especially early in his career in ATL, where he was "rode hard and put up wet." After his "hiatus" Andy Reid came close to mainlining him, but by then age and injury were dragging him down.

    Jackson has a chance to develop as a QB... a chance to be good. We've wasted higher picks on QBs with far less of a chance.

    So...nothing 

  • He claims he's a 4.3 guy,  but who knows? He can definitely fly,  but they all over estimate.  It's not just his speed,  it's the agility and fakes.  

    Impossible to not see the potential to be very good. He's got some time to sit,  and they can eventually create an offense around him. He's a next level athlete and can sling the ball. Colin Kapernick almost went to the super bowl.  No reason a guy like Lamar couldn't get there if he's able to develop.  Petrino supposedly has him way more nfl ready than people give him credit for.  

    @sd_tom said:

    He claims he's a 4.3 guy,  but who knows? He can definitely fly,  but they all over estimate.  It's not just his speed,  it's the agility and fakes.  

    Impossible to not see the potential to be very good. He's got some time to sit,  and they can eventually create an offense around him. He's a next level athlete and can sling the ball. Colin Kapernick almost went to the super bowl.  No reason a guy like Lamar couldn't get there if he's able to develop.  Petrino supposedly has him way more nfl ready than people give him credit for.  

    I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to. 

    Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley

    How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last  being a "runnning" quarterback? 

    It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    And who was that at either of the Ravens' two 1st-round picks?

    More than about 75% of his contemporaries?

    Was Vick the ideal QB? Not in my book, but he made teams competitive, especially early in his career in ATL, where he was "rode hard and put up wet." After his "hiatus" Andy Reid came close to mainlining him, but by then age and injury were dragging him down.

    Jackson has a chance to develop as a QB... a chance to be good. We've wasted higher picks on QBs with far less of a chance.

    So...nothing 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    So...nothing 

    Sure... 13 years and 4 Pro Bowls of "nothing"...

  • @sd_tom said:

    He claims he's a 4.3 guy,  but who knows? He can definitely fly,  but they all over estimate.  It's not just his speed,  it's the agility and fakes.  

    Impossible to not see the potential to be very good. He's got some time to sit,  and they can eventually create an offense around him. He's a next level athlete and can sling the ball. Colin Kapernick almost went to the super bowl.  No reason a guy like Lamar couldn't get there if he's able to develop.  Petrino supposedly has him way more nfl ready than people give him credit for.  

    I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to. 

    Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley

    How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last  being a "runnning" quarterback? 

    It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine. 

    @hoorta said:

    I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to. 

    Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley

    How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last  being a "runnning" quarterback? 

    It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine. 

    Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore

  • @hoorta said:

    I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to. 

    Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley

    How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last  being a "runnning" quarterback? 

    It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine. 

    Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore

    @louisville-slugger said:

     He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore

    sig bet... let's go 

  • @hoorta said:

    I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to. 

    Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley

    How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last  being a "runnning" quarterback? 

    It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine. 

    Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore

    @louisville-slugger said:

    Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore

    Now I know your high.. Does his jock smell nice , too?

    His combine was attrocious. Not to mention.. His ability to speak clearly and put two sentences together is severely challenged.. Whose gonna understand him get a play across.. He he's a lot of work ahead.. And that starts with improving linguistics..... big pass here....

  • well, RGIII DID have a higher wonderlic score.....

    https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2018/04/04/lamar-jackson-wonderlic-test-score-tim-sullivan/481414002/

    Since a score of 13 would fall in the 13th percentile – the average janitor scores a 14 according to wonderlictestsample.com – some teams may wonder about Jackson’s ability to absorb an NFL playbook and/or the amount of effort he expended on the Wonderlic. 

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  • Now Wonderlic equals IQ?

    Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?

    I do.

    It was 15.

  • Are we talking about the AIQ.    Athlete's Intelligence Quotient....which is basically replacing the Wonderlic? (and where Mayfield scored the second highest score ever.   Not sure who was #1)

  • Now Wonderlic equals IQ?

    Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?

    I do.

    It was 15.

    @tour2ma said:

    Now Wonderlic equals IQ?

    Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?

    I do.

    It was 15.

    Tyrod at least speaks recognizable English. Is Jackson's mom a certified agent? Refused to run a 40. Just sayin' Tour- there's indications Lamar isn't exactly too bright. 

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Lamar-Jackson-NFL-Is-Totally-Different-From-College/3210d924-cdd8-4acd-b570-839083df4673

  • Listening to Tyrod now, he seems that he would do very well on another wonderlic test.

    Jackson, not so much.  Good luck to him, but the pros are a very different deal. I imagine he has a better chance

    than rosen though.

  • Listening to Tyrod now, he seems that he would do very well on another wonderlic test.

    Jackson, not so much.  Good luck to him, but the pros are a very different deal. I imagine he has a better chance

    than rosen though.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Listening to Tyrod now, he seems that he would do very well on another wonderlic test.

    Jackson, not so much.  Good luck to him, but the pros are a very different deal. I imagine he has a better chance

    than rosen though.

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  • It's already uncomfortable in Baltimore

    https://search.app.goo.gl/8tS5t

    Shared from my Google feed

    WSS

  • Interesting how the importance of the Wonderlic has suddenly seemed to wane.

    Oh well...

  • It's already uncomfortable in Baltimore

    https://search.app.goo.gl/8tS5t

    Shared from my Google feed

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    It's already uncomfortable in Baltimore

    https://search.app.goo.gl/8tS5t

    Shared from my Google feed

    WSS

    So, both starting QBs..Super Bowl winning QBs  of the Squibs and the Ratpukers are squirming because of the young QBs they brought in in this draft.  Let them squirm.

  • @westside-steve said:

    It's already uncomfortable in Baltimore

    https://search.app.goo.gl/8tS5t

    Shared from my Google feed

    WSS

    So, both starting QBs..Super Bowl winning QBs  of the Squibs and the Ratpukers are squirming because of the young QBs they brought in in this draft.  Let them squirm.

    @the-gipper said:

    So, both starting QBs..Super Bowl winning QBs  of the Squibs and the Ratpukers are squirming because of the young QBs they brought in in this draft.  Let them squirm.

    I don't quite understand why the Steelers using a 3rd rounder on a QB who could be a good value pick upset Roethlisberger... Also find it funny that he's gone from "I could retire soon, maybe in a year to... I see myself playing 3-5 more seasons". 

    I get Flacco being upset that the Ravens used a first rounder on Jackson - even if the Ravens should be looking to upgrade the position. Flacco is a mediocre starter at this point. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    So, both starting QBs..Super Bowl winning QBs  of the Squibs and the Ratpukers are squirming because of the young QBs they brought in in this draft.  Let them squirm.

    I don't quite understand why the Steelers using a 3rd rounder on a QB who could be a good value pick upset Roethlisberger... Also find it funny that he's gone from "I could retire soon, maybe in a year to... I see myself playing 3-5 more seasons". 

    I get Flacco being upset that the Ravens used a first rounder on Jackson - even if the Ravens should be looking to upgrade the position. Flacco is a mediocre starter at this point. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I don't quite understand why the Steelers using a 3rd rounder on a QB who could be a good value pick upset Roethlisberger... Also find it funny that he's gone from "I could retire soon, maybe in a year to... I see myself playing 3-5 more seasons". 

    I get Flacco being upset that the Ravens used a first rounder on Jackson - even if the Ravens should be looking to upgrade the position. Flacco is a mediocre starter at this point. 

    BR is a fuyucking  Drama Queen in Drag, that is why.   What he may not realize is that he is one solid hit from either an extended concussion protocol...or from being  a pile of butt rubble.   It would nice to see Garrett make him into a big Biopile  of stalagshite.

  • Interesting how the importance of the Wonderlic has suddenly seemed to wane.

    Oh well...

    @tour2ma said:

    Interesting how the importance of the Wonderlic has suddenly seemed to wane.

    Oh well...

    Not for me Tour- 

    @the-gipper said:

    So, both starting QBs..Super Bowl winning QBs  of the Squibs and the Ratpukers are squirming because of the young QBs they brought in in this draft.  Let them squirm.