Lamar Jackson to the Ravens
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There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.
And what did Vick ever accomplish?
And what did Vick ever accomplish?
I think I pretty well separated running abilities from throwing abilities. Nowhere did I claim he would be a success, only that he could run even against NFL speed.
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And what did Vick ever accomplish?
I think I pretty well separated running abilities from throwing abilities. Nowhere did I claim he would be a success, only that he could run even against NFL speed.
I think I pretty well separated running abilities from throwing abilities. Nowhere did I claim he would be a success, only that he could run even against NFL speed.
Only, Lamar doesn't run a 4.3. He doesn't have the first step or lateral movement of Vick. Nobody has since and chances are you won't see that in our lifetime.
Also, Vicks success against NFL defenses from 2001 vs 2010 was rather up and down. The athletic premium put on the other side of the ball to stop or limit these runners has really been quite impressive over the last 10 years. Do we think of Vick as 'Vick' if he started playing 10 years later vs 2000? Me thinks not so much.
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I think I pretty well separated running abilities from throwing abilities. Nowhere did I claim he would be a success, only that he could run even against NFL speed.
Only, Lamar doesn't run a 4.3. He doesn't have the first step or lateral movement of Vick. Nobody has since and chances are you won't see that in our lifetime.
Also, Vicks success against NFL defenses from 2001 vs 2010 was rather up and down. The athletic premium put on the other side of the ball to stop or limit these runners has really been quite impressive over the last 10 years. Do we think of Vick as 'Vick' if he started playing 10 years later vs 2000? Me thinks not so much.
Only, Lamar doesn't run a 4.3. He doesn't have the first step or lateral movement of Vick. Nobody has since and chances are you won't see that in our lifetime.
Also, Vicks success against NFL defenses from 2001 vs 2010 was rather up and down. The athletic premium put on the other side of the ball to stop or limit these runners has really been quite impressive over the last 10 years. Do we think of Vick as 'Vick' if he started playing 10 years later vs 2000? Me thinks not so much.
The way to defend these types is keep them in the pocket and force them to throw.
Make them play patient which they hate because they are used to bang - bang plays and making things happen out of no play.
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He claims he's a 4.3 guy, but who knows? He can definitely fly, but they all over estimate. It's not just his speed, it's the agility and fakes.
Impossible to not see the potential to be very good. He's got some time to sit, and they can eventually create an offense around him. He's a next level athlete and can sling the ball. Colin Kapernick almost went to the super bowl. No reason a guy like Lamar couldn't get there if he's able to develop. Petrino supposedly has him way more nfl ready than people give him credit for.
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I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter.
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I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter.
I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter.
Its a passing league.
A RB can get beat to death, but lay off a WR and QB.. The NFL wants scoring. Fans like scoring. A soccer match is painful to watch with so little scoring some games.
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I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter.
I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter.
Are we talking about Jackson or Josh Allen?
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I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter.
I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter.
And who was that at either of the Ravens' two 1st-round picks?
And what did Vick ever accomplish?
More than about 75% of his contemporaries?
Was Vick the ideal QB? Not in my book, but he made teams competitive, especially early in his career in ATL, where he was "rode hard and put up wet." After his "hiatus" Andy Reid came close to mainlining him, but by then age and injury were dragging him down.
Jackson has a chance to develop as a QB... a chance to be good. We've wasted higher picks on QBs with far less of a chance.
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I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter.
And who was that at either of the Ravens' two 1st-round picks?
And what did Vick ever accomplish?
More than about 75% of his contemporaries?
Was Vick the ideal QB? Not in my book, but he made teams competitive, especially early in his career in ATL, where he was "rode hard and put up wet." After his "hiatus" Andy Reid came close to mainlining him, but by then age and injury were dragging him down.
Jackson has a chance to develop as a QB... a chance to be good. We've wasted higher picks on QBs with far less of a chance.
And who was that at either of the Ravens' two 1st-round picks?
More than about 75% of his contemporaries?
Was Vick the ideal QB? Not in my book, but he made teams competitive, especially early in his career in ATL, where he was "rode hard and put up wet." After his "hiatus" Andy Reid came close to mainlining him, but by then age and injury were dragging him down.
Jackson has a chance to develop as a QB... a chance to be good. We've wasted higher picks on QBs with far less of a chance.
So...nothing
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He claims he's a 4.3 guy, but who knows? He can definitely fly, but they all over estimate. It's not just his speed, it's the agility and fakes.
Impossible to not see the potential to be very good. He's got some time to sit, and they can eventually create an offense around him. He's a next level athlete and can sling the ball. Colin Kapernick almost went to the super bowl. No reason a guy like Lamar couldn't get there if he's able to develop. Petrino supposedly has him way more nfl ready than people give him credit for.
He claims he's a 4.3 guy, but who knows? He can definitely fly, but they all over estimate. It's not just his speed, it's the agility and fakes.
Impossible to not see the potential to be very good. He's got some time to sit, and they can eventually create an offense around him. He's a next level athlete and can sling the ball. Colin Kapernick almost went to the super bowl. No reason a guy like Lamar couldn't get there if he's able to develop. Petrino supposedly has him way more nfl ready than people give him credit for.
I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to.
Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley
How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last being a "runnning" quarterback?
It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine.
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And who was that at either of the Ravens' two 1st-round picks?
More than about 75% of his contemporaries?
Was Vick the ideal QB? Not in my book, but he made teams competitive, especially early in his career in ATL, where he was "rode hard and put up wet." After his "hiatus" Andy Reid came close to mainlining him, but by then age and injury were dragging him down.
Jackson has a chance to develop as a QB... a chance to be good. We've wasted higher picks on QBs with far less of a chance.
So...nothing
So...nothing
Sure... 13 years and 4 Pro Bowls of "nothing"...
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He claims he's a 4.3 guy, but who knows? He can definitely fly, but they all over estimate. It's not just his speed, it's the agility and fakes.
Impossible to not see the potential to be very good. He's got some time to sit, and they can eventually create an offense around him. He's a next level athlete and can sling the ball. Colin Kapernick almost went to the super bowl. No reason a guy like Lamar couldn't get there if he's able to develop. Petrino supposedly has him way more nfl ready than people give him credit for.
I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to.
Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley
How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last being a "runnning" quarterback?
It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine.
I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to.
Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley
How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last being a "runnning" quarterback?
It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine.
Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore
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I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to.
Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley
How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last being a "runnning" quarterback?
It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine.
Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore
He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore
sig bet... let's go
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I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to.
Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley
How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last being a "runnning" quarterback?
It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine.
Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore
Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore
Now I know your high.. Does his jock smell nice , too?
His combine was attrocious. Not to mention.. His ability to speak clearly and put two sentences together is severely challenged.. Whose gonna understand him get a play across.. He he's a lot of work ahead.. And that starts with improving linguistics..... big pass here....
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well, RGIII DID have a higher wonderlic score.....
Since a score of 13 would fall in the 13th percentile – the average janitor scores a 14 according to wonderlictestsample.com – some teams may wonder about Jackson’s ability to absorb an NFL playbook and/or the amount of effort he expended on the Wonderlic.
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Now Wonderlic equals IQ?
Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?
I do.
It was 15.
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Are we talking about the AIQ. Athlete's Intelligence Quotient....which is basically replacing the Wonderlic? (and where Mayfield scored the second highest score ever. Not sure who was #1)
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Now Wonderlic equals IQ?
Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?
I do.
It was 15.
Tyrod at least speaks recognizable English. Is Jackson's mom a certified agent? Refused to run a 40. Just sayin' Tour- there's indications Lamar isn't exactly too bright.
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Listening to Tyrod now, he seems that he would do very well on another wonderlic test.
Jackson, not so much. Good luck to him, but the pros are a very different deal. I imagine he has a better chance
than rosen though.
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Listening to Tyrod now, he seems that he would do very well on another wonderlic test.
Jackson, not so much. Good luck to him, but the pros are a very different deal. I imagine he has a better chance
than rosen though.
Listening to Tyrod now, he seems that he would do very well on another wonderlic test.
Jackson, not so much. Good luck to him, but the pros are a very different deal. I imagine he has a better chance
than rosen though.
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