Survey Thursday..The Best Not To

mjp28

Hey a little facts and subjective thinking on this one:

1. Who is he best Browns player ever that is not in the HOF? (and whom you think deserves to be in).....I'll second Zombo's Clay for one, steady play, longevity, a true BROWN. Also I'd like to see some recognition for the "close" BROWNS players in the good years when Bernie was here particularly but not limited to defense. Dixon, Minnefield. Always liked Hickerson.

2. Who is the best Active QB to not have won a Super Bowl?...... A lot of so-so guys playing now, maybe Rivers or Stafford if he could stay healthy.

3. Who is the best coach in history to have never won a Championship?......Marty deserves some consideration but never got there.

4. What is the best team in history to have never really received recognition as a great dynasty...or who fell just short of dynasty status?.....All sports or football? Buffalo Bills, Vikings sorta' without the rings.

5. A. What is the one or two best "tourist attractions"....in the USA that you have not been to but want to go.. ....NYC! Planned several times to go but never made it.

B. Same question...except include the entire world......Grand Canyon, again never got there, I went north & south a lot.

The Gipper

@200lbmumford said:

1. Who is he best Browns player ever that is not in the HOF? (and whom you think deserves to be in)

Clay Matthews without a doubt.....I think there can be a doubt. I can argue about Shafrath....but let's compromise and say they both deserve it.

2. Who is the best Active QB to not have won a Super Bowl?

Career Wise - Phillip Rivers

Current Talent - Matt Ryan

3. Who is the best coach in history to have never won a Championship?

Andy Reid

4. What is the best team in history to have never really received recognition as a great dynasty...or who fell just short of dynasty status?

Buffalo Bills, four straight losses make them laughing stocks but those were some great teams

5. A. What is the one or two best "tourist attractions"....in the USA that you have not been to but want to go.

Mount Rushmore

B. Same question...except include the entire world.

Stonehenge

The Gipper

5. A. What is the one or two best "tourist attractions"....in the USA that you have not been to but want to go.. ....NYC! Planned several times to go but never made it.

B. Same question...except include the entire world......Grand Canyon, again never got there, I went north & south a lot.

Uhmm, you do know that the Grand Canyon is in the USA, don't you?

My choices for the USA may seem a bit more obscure...but that is because I have been to nearly all top tourist attractions in the US... the ones you all mention: been to both Yosemite and Yellowstone twice....and you all must get there. The GC at least 3-4 times. Rushmore once. Been to NYC a couple of times. One time I elected to go to the top of the World Trade Center rather than the Empire State Building. Yep, I was on top of one of the twin towers before they fell.

mjp28

When you say include the whole world the Grand Canyon still is there for me although the pyramids always facinated me as a kid.

So many places so little time, relatively speaking.

Dutch Oven

While Dante Lavelli is in the HOF, there is an argument that the other WR/split end/flanker/whatever they called wide receivers back then Mac Speedie was just as good as Lavelli, if not possibly better, but because of WWII he started his career at an older age. Clay Matthews is a great choice for #1 too

Canton Mike

@the-gipper said:

Here is today's survey....theme "The Best Not To":

1. Who is he best Browns player ever that is not in the HOF? (and whom you think deserves to be in)

Clay Matthews Jr

2. Who is the best Active QB to not have won a Super Bowl?

Phillip Rivers

3. Who is the best coach in history to have never won a Championship?

Marv Levy

4. What is the best team in history to have never really received recognition as a great dynasty...or who fell just short of dynasty status?

Bills from 1988-1993

5. A. What is the one or two best "tourist attractions"....in the USA that you have not been to but want to go.

Mt Rushmore & Everglades

B. Same question...except include the entire world.

Blarney Castle in Ireland.

Mike

hoorta

Zombo said:

Here is today's survey....theme "The Best Not To":

1. Who is he best Browns player ever that is not in the HOF? (and whom you think deserves to be in)

Clay Matthews

2. Who is the best Active QB to not have won a Super Bowl?

Phillip Rivers

3. Who is the best coach in history to have never won a Championship?

Marty Schottenheimer (Bud Grant, Andy Reid, Dan Reeves also acceptable answers)

4. What is the best team in history to have never really received recognition as a great dynasty...or who fell just short of dynasty status?

Lions 52-57, three championships, one runner-up

5. A. What is the one or two best "tourist attractions"....in the USA that you have not been to but want to go.

~~Yellowstone~~ (been 3-4 times Z, put it on your bucket list) Yosemite, Hawaii, top of Mauna Kea for the Observatory, and knock another state high point off the list.

B. Same question...except include the entire world.

~~Sydney Opera House,~~ Australia OK, but Ayers Rock before Sydney. ~~Christ the Redeemer~~ Bordeaux, France.

Mostly have to ditto Z, with a few changes.

hoorta

@mjp28 said:

When you say include the whole world the Grand Canyon still is there for me although the pyramids always facinated me as a kid.

So many places so little time, relatively speaking.

Been to the Canyon, and even hiked it rim to river and back. But I had a way cooler all day hike up the road in Zion National Park.

Speaking of the pyramids, really wanted to go, but cost prohibitive. Those who know me know about my astronomy bent (since I was 6). Can't say I'm a major solar eclipse chaser, though the one last August was #3 for me. Anyhow, in 2006 there was a total solar eclipse that cut across western Egypt, and incidentally part of the Sahara Desert. Odds of seeing said eclipse approaching 100% with a nice side detour to Luxor, Pyramids, & the Sphinx. All this can be yours starting at $4,500 not counting air fare.

PS- that 2006 eclipse is the same one that will cut across the US 6 years hence in 2024- 18 years removed, also the same one Carly Simon sung about in "You're so Vain" in 1970- that I saw back then- 54 years removed. For those who haven't seen one- getting in the path of totality should be one of your bucket list items. LOL, I can sit in my back yard for that one, but I may go 60 miles north to get on the center line. Cleveland is in the path of totality, so you locals won't have to travel either.

darren15

Stonehenge sucks ........ a pile of rocks in a field .....I lasted 2 minutes there ...ok seen the rocks lets go to the pub ....

The Gipper

@darren15 said:

Stonehenge sucks ........ a pile of rocks in a field .....I lasted 2 minutes there ...ok seen the rocks lets go to the pub ....

Yea, but the interesting thing is that they have been there for 5000 years, and that they are perfectly aligned to the winter and summer solstice. Maybe it is more interesting on one of those days....when they bring the pub to the stones.

Nero

Zombo said:

Here is today's survey....theme "The Best Not To":

1. Who is he best Browns player ever that is not in the HOF? (and whom you think deserves to be in)

Clay Matthews

2. Who is the best Active QB to not have won a Super Bowl?

Phillip Rivers

3. Who is the best coach in history to have never won a Championship?

Marty Schottenheimer (Bud Grant, Andy Reid, Dan Reeves also acceptable answers)

4. What is the best team in history to have never really received recognition as a great dynasty...or who fell just short of dynasty status?

Lions 52-57, three championships, one runner-up

5. A. What is the one or two best "tourist attractions"....in the USA that you have not been to but want to go.

Yellowstone and Yosemite

B. Same question...except include the entire world.

Sydney Opera House, Christ the Redeemer

I love the Sydney Opera House. Hopefully I'll visit it some day! I also like visiting parks so if I ever go to the US probably Yellowstone is going to be in my wishlist.

The Gipper

Some compilaton on this:

1. Browns player most deserving of HOF: Clay Matthews 5 votes. Shafrath 1 vote. Mac Speedie 1 vote.. (if you all would study up on how good Shafrath was...you would agree with me)

2. Best QB to not win SB: Unanimous: Phil Rivers

3. Best HC to not win a title: Marty 2 votes.....Reid 1....Grant...1...Levy...1

4. Closest to dynasty: Bills 4 votes.......Lions 2 votes. though on this one.....there were kind of two different questions asked: A. Which team was the best "not quite" dynasty...and B. Which Dynasty has gone unrecognized. So, for A, I think it is the Bills, and for B...the Lions.

nickers

@the-gipper said:

Here is today's survey....theme "The Best Not To":

1. Who is he best Browns player ever that is not in the HOF? (and whom you think deserves to be in)

Clay Mathews

2. Who is the best Active QB to not have won a Super Bowl?

Matt Stafford

3. Who is the best coach in history to have never won a Championship?

Chuck Knox

4. What is the best team in history to have never really received recognition as a great dynasty...or who fell just short of dynasty status?

Buffalo Bills (4 SB appearances)

5. A. What is the one or two best "tourist attractions"....in the USA that you have not been to but want to go.

Grand Canyon and monument Valley...

B. Same question...except include the entire world.

Stonehenge and the Giza Plateau...

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

3. Best HC to not win a title: Marty 2 votes.....Reid 1....Grant...1...Levy...1

Chuck Knox, who passed away Saturday, belongs in the conversation. "Ground Chuck" was the more consevative counterpart to "Air Coryell", won Coach of the Year three times with three different teams (Rams, Bills, Seahawks). I remember him most with those 70's Rams with Lawrence McCutcheon running the ball and that tough D, seems they won the NFC West every year, and then with the Seahwaks, Dave Kreig and Kurt Warner ... made it to the AFC Championship with that group and made Seattle a legit football town. Never really had a franchise QB, but from 1973 to 1990 had 14 winning seasons in 18 years.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-seahawks-coach-chuck-knox-dies-86-201913722.html

The Gipper

Zombo said:

Chuck Knox, who passed away Saturday, belongs in the conversation. "Ground Chuck" was the more consevative counterpart to "Air Coryell", won Coach of the Year three times with three different teams (Rams, Bills, Seahawks). I remember him most with those 70's Rams with Lawrence McCutcheon running the ball and that tough D, seems they won the NFC West every year, and then with the Seahwaks, Dave Kreig and Kurt Warner ... made it to the AFC Championship with that group and made Seattle a legit football town. Never really had a franchise QB, but from 1973 to 1990 had 14 winning seasons in 18 years.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-seahawks-coach-chuck-knox-dies-86-201913722.html

I did not hear about his death. Thanks for the update. Note that in my post I did include Knox as one of the 5-6 candidates for "the best HC to never win a title".

Is Marv Levy still alive? He was very old when he was coaching the Bills.

Edit: in checking....Levy still with us at age 92

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marv_Levy

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

I did not hear about his death. Thanks for the update. Note that in my post I did include Knox as one of the 5-6 candidates for "the best HC to never win a title".

Is Marv Levy still alive? He was very old when he was coaching the Bills.

Marv Lives.

Zombo

The Gipper

Bud Grant is 88.....and still kicking.

And just this past fall....he went out for the coin toss in a Polo Shirt in 6 below weather:

The Gipper

Zombo said:

Marv Lives.

Zombo

So....there is hope for Middle Earth!!

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

So....there is hope for Middle Earth!!

No one knows what that means.

Zombo

The Gipper

Zombo said:

No one knows what that means.

Zombo

I wager that more people on here know the reference than don't.