Best Conceal Carry Pistol

[The Gipper]

I only own one gun.    A German Luger rifle that my Dad "liberated"  during WWII.  It has the swastika insignia's on it. 

[TexasAg1969]

@the-gipper said:

I only own one gun.    A German Luger rifle that my Dad "liberated"  during WWII.  It has the swastika insignia's on it. 

That thing is worth a ton of bucks. Unusual weapon and likely very rare. You should get that on one of the TV antique assessment shows.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-semiauto-rifles/german-luger-rifle/

[TexasAg1969]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/07/13/george-lugers-secret-rifle/

[The Gipper]

@texasag1969 said:

That thing is worth a ton of bucks. Unusual weapon and likely very rare. You should get that on one of the TV antique assessment shows.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-semiauto-rifles/german-luger-rifle/

Been there, done that.   You see some guys on ebay wanting a couple or three grand for them. (but you don't see where they were sold for that).  Took it to a firearms guy....who said it was only worth one less zero....200-300.

[TexasAg1969]

BTW I "saved" a new baby deer today........................................from me.

I was doing my lawn and came across a new fawn laying very still just outside my back fence. I know that the mothers often leave them and somehow they know not to move a muscle no matter what. But this one looked almost dead and I could not see it breathing even as close as two feet away. So I slowly got down right next to it and gently stroked it thinking if it was alive it would finally get up. But it did not move but it did start to respond with nostril movement. I gently picked it up and it was lip as a noodle so I placed it back down and contacted wild animal rescue. They discussed the position it was in when found and it was semi-fetal with front paws under the head. They assured me that the really new ones try to make you think they are dead and to just observe it for 24 hours to see if it moves. Well about two hours later I peek out the back bedroom blinds and around the corner of the fence in the direction of the woods from my house here comes the mom. As soon as she peeks around the fence corner at  baby deer, he/she jumps right up and runs to mom. She leads it back to the edge of the woods where she grooms it and he/she starts slurping milk like there's no tomorrow. After he has his fill she led him on into the woods for a better hiding place after she licked my smell off him. I'm sure he/she had quite a tale to tell her.

@the-gipper said:

Been there, done that.   You see some guys on ebay wanting a couple or three grand for them. (but you don't see where they were sold for that).  Took it to a firearms guy....who said it was only worth one less zero....200-300.

The firearms guy is lying through his teeth. Take it to an honest one.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

If it's a genuine Nazi weapon that thing is worth thousands. 

[The Gipper]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

If it's a genuine Nazi weapon that thing is worth thousands. 

It is definitely genuine.   My Dad brought it back from the war. 

If and when I decide to sell....will one of you pay me thousands you say it is worth?

[TexasAg1969]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

If it's a genuine Nazi weapon that thing is worth thousands. 

I totally agree with DH. Thousands because it's not only Nazi, but is a rare weapon on top of that. That guy was trying to take you or he's an idiot.

This will give you an idea about how much a less rare Luger pistol is worth and then figure rare on top of that. Real collectors will pay more than you would ever think.

https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/whats-my-dads-1942-p08-german-luger-worth.110047/

[TexasAg1969]

Here is what is being asked for a WWII Mauser and if you look at the pics, there is a lot of rust on it.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/770010574

[The Gipper]

@texasag1969 said:

I totally agree with DH. Thousands because it's not only Nazi, but is a rare weapon on top of that. That guy was trying to take you or he's an idiot.

This will give you an idea about how much a less rare Luger pistol is worth and then figure rare on top of that. Real collectors will pay more than you would ever think.

https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/whats-my-dads-1942-p08-german-luger-worth.110047/

Well....one place was a pawn shop....and no doubt they would try to rip you off.  But the other was supposed to be a firearms expert. And he is the one that said it was only worth 2-300 dollars. 

So....let me know when one of you is willing to pay me 3K for it. 

[The Gipper]

@texasag1969 said:

Here is what is being asked for a WWII Mauser and if you look at the pics, there is a lot of rust on it.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/770010574

"Asked" is not the same as "paid".  I saw a number of them in ebay that they were asking 2-3 K  for.   Did not see where anyone ever bid close to those figures though. 

[mjp28]

@texasag1969 said:

I totally agree with DH. Thousands because it's not only Nazi, but is a rare weapon on top of that. That guy was trying to take you or he's an idiot.

This will give you an idea about how much a less rare Luger pistol is worth and then figure rare on top of that. Real collectors will pay more than you would ever think.

https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/whats-my-dads-1942-p08-german-luger-worth.110047/

On the last Wednesday night at the Range they had a show on the Lugers, the rare ones are worth a nice fortune, with matching numbers a huge fortune.....for a handgun. 

[TexasAg1969]

@the-gipper said:

"Asked" is not the same as "paid".  I saw a number of them in ebay that they were asking 2-3 K  for.   Did not see where anyone ever bid close to those figures though. 

Send me the serial numbers PM and I'll ask a reputable dealer/trader I know in Austin. If it's $10,000 I'll pay you the $3,000 and come get it myself. LOL!

Any rust on it anywhere or is it still in decent shape?

Any other markings including Caliber, maker, any dates or numbers and exactly what the Nazi marking looks like (size, etc.) would be of help as well. Does it still have the original strap or any magazines that go with it?

[The Gipper]

@texasag1969 said:

Send me the serial numbers PM and I'll ask a reputable dealer/trader I know in Austin. If it's $10,000 I'll pay you the $3,000 and come get it myself. LOL!

Any rust on it anywhere or is it still in decent shape?

Any other markings including Caliber, maker, any dates or numbers and exactly what the Nazi marking looks like (size, etc.) would be of help as well. Does it still have the original strap or any magazines that go with it?

I will have to look at it closely for the stuff you want.:  numbers etc.  No rust to speak of...still in good shape   It has a couple of the Nazi insignias, that are very very small. But no strap or magazines.

[mjp28]

The Lugers were very finely machined and assembled German pistols and rather expensive  which don't lend themselves well to major war efforts. Most people think of WWII when talking about lugars or the bad guys in movies but they go well back from that.

The Pistole Parabellum—or Parabellum-Pistole (Pistol Parabellum), commonly known in the United States as just Luger^[4]—is a toggle-locked recoil-operated semi-automatic pistol produced in several models and by several nations from 1898 to 1948. The design was first patented by Georg Luger as an improvement upon the Borchardt Automatic Pistol, and was produced as the Parabellum Automatic Pistol, Borchardt-Luger System by the German arms manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken(DWM).^[1] The first production model was known as the Modell 1900 Parabellum.^[1] Later versions included the Pistol Parabellum Model 1908 or P08 which was produced by DWM and other manufacturers such as W+F Bern, Krieghoff, Simson, Mauser, and Vickers;^[5] The first Parabellum pistol was adopted by the Swiss army in May 1900. In German Army service, the Parabellum was later adopted in modified form as the Pistol Model 1908 (P08) in caliber 9×19mm Parabellum.^[1] The Model 08 was eventually succeeded in and partly replaced by the Walther P38.

The Luger is well known from its use by Germans during World War I and World War II, along with the interwar Weimar Republic and the postwar East German Volkspolizei. Although the P.08 was introduced in 7.65mm Parabellum, it is notable for being the pistol for which the 9×19mm Parabellum (also known as the 9×19mm Luger) cartridge was developed. Because of its association with Nazi Germany, the pistol has been used in fictional works by many villainous characters over the past several decades........

Not exactly a good concealed carry gun but great for serious collectors. 

[TexasAg1969]

Interesting that the Ruger I just bought requires the "Luger" 9mm round. I have some older "Black Talon" rounds left to keep in it for concealed carry. They don't make those anymore. Winchester replaced it with PDX1 Defender in regular or +P. But the old Black Talon was a hollow point round that had 6 little "talons" that split and expanded outward from the core of the bullet. Vicious little round.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon

[TexasAg1969]

@gumby73 said:

X-zactly what wife & Myself carry for 5 years now.Seller wanted $485/gun but got the pair for $900 at a Gun Show in Raleigh,NC..Pin a target to a tree & turn her loose it's like bringing her home a new pair of shoes with a free purse   

For anyone interested I found this standardized testing of multiple rounds for multiple calibers @ luckygunner.com. Only thing on here I am not sure of is the Cor-bon all-copper PDX for my 9mm because the owner sold out to another company and some testing of the Gen 2 I found on the internet has a little less "spread" diameter than the original, which was one of the very best rounds for 9mm ever created. The Barnes +p round had similar results with a very similar bullet, but you can't just shoot a lot through any handgun not designed for +P  without shortening barrel life. But either is an excellent concealed carry round. 

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm

[The Gipper]

@texasag1969 said:

For anyone interested I found this standardized testing of multiple rounds for multiple calibers @ luckygunner.com. Only thing on here I am not sure of is the Cor-bon all-copper PDX for my 9mm because the owner sold out to another company and some testing of the Gen 2 I found on the internet has a little less "spread" diameter than the original, which was one of the very best rounds for 9mm ever created. The Barnes +p round had similar results with a very similar bullet, but you can't just shoot a lot through any handgun not designed for +P  without shortening barrel life. But either is an excellent concealed carry round. 

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm

Tex,   I am PMing you those numbers.  Also, FYI...if does have the strap...but no magazines

[TexasAg1969]

@the-gipper said:

Tex,   I am PMing you those numbers.  Also, FYI...if does have the strap...but no magazines

That's a major plus. Magazines are easier to find normally I think.

[The Gipper]

@texasag1969 said:

That's a major plus. Magazines are easier to find normally I think.

To be honest with you though....the strap appears to be  American "Army Green"......so it may not be the original German strap that came with the rifle.   But, it is a strap.  

This looks almost exactly like the rifle I have:

But that is not the strap that it has.

Though, I did find this photo with a search of Nazi Rifle straps, and this does look a lot like the strap it has: