Browns Trading Jamar Taylor
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And one advantage of being worst is that every player waived by any team this year for the second year in a row, the Browns have first shot at over every other team. We may still find some really good players from time to time that no one is willing to trade for. That works really well when all teams are on their final 53 week. The very best of the waivers usually occurs then. The advantage of claiming someone like Frazier now is that we get to see him perform from now until we hit that 53 cutoff time if we want to.
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/01/browns-hold-first-pick-on-waiver-claims/
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The 6th round pick we are getting is for 2020 not next year
We traded Mia.for J.Taylor..flipped a 7th #250 giving Mia.#223 QB Brandon Doughty to Mia...Heard Dorsey wanted to improve the speed of the group but Taylor ran 4.39 combine but maybe slowing. Looking more like corners with press coverage ability leans more of the truth of the matter with Williams & Dorsey..now i wonder if BBC/T.Mitchell cover slot behind EJ Gaines or maybe some back-up FS reps?
We traded Mia.for J.Taylor..flipped a 7th #250 giving Mia.#223 QB Brandon Doughty to Mia...Heard Dorsey wanted to improve the speed of the group but Taylor ran 4.39 combine but maybe slowing. Looking more like corners with press coverage ability leans more of the truth of the matter with Williams & Dorsey..now i wonder if BBC/T.Mitchell cover slot behind EJ Gaines or maybe some back-up FS reps?
BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released
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We traded Mia.for J.Taylor..flipped a 7th #250 giving Mia.#223 QB Brandon Doughty to Mia...Heard Dorsey wanted to improve the speed of the group but Taylor ran 4.39 combine but maybe slowing. Looking more like corners with press coverage ability leans more of the truth of the matter with Williams & Dorsey..now i wonder if BBC/T.Mitchell cover slot behind EJ Gaines or maybe some back-up FS reps?
BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released
BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released
Anna & Lynnic's would both get fired at The home of Depo
..#13 overall CB at a 156th pay rate should at least get BBC a camp look at Fort Dorsey. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfls-10-most-valuable-players-on-smaller-contracts Haslam should be BBC free uber driver? (now again, am a buckeye fan. but when a Golden Gopher continued to jump off the screen,BBC got my attention.early.)
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BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released
Anna & Lynnic's would both get fired at The home of Depo
..#13 overall CB at a 156th pay rate should at least get BBC a camp look at Fort Dorsey. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfls-10-most-valuable-players-on-smaller-contracts Haslam should be BBC free uber driver? (now again, am a buckeye fan. but when a Golden Gopher continued to jump off the screen,BBC got my attention.early.)
Anna & Lynnic's would both get fired at The home of Depo
..#13 overall CB at a 156th pay rate should at least get BBC a camp look at Fort Dorsey. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfls-10-most-valuable-players-on-smaller-contracts Haslam should be BBC free uber driver? (now again, am a buckeye fan. but when a Golden Gopher continued to jump off the screen,BBC got my attention.early.)
Gotta agree with you Gums! IMO Boddy-Calhoun has made the most of his opportunities here. When he first started to get reps - I can't even tell you how many times I found myself asking in a positive way "Wow, who is this guy?" He impressed me way more than Jamar Taylor ever did at a fraction of the cap hit you alluded to. If Gregg Williams has been seeing the same player we have; and our FO really loves a good walk-on story - the warm fuzzies for BBC should be going viral in Berea...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
We traded Mia.for J.Taylor..flipped a 7th #250 giving Mia.#223 QB Brandon Doughty to Mia...Heard Dorsey wanted to improve the speed of the group but Taylor ran 4.39 combine but maybe slowing. Looking more like corners with press coverage ability leans more of the truth of the matter with Williams & Dorsey..now i wonder if BBC/T.Mitchell cover slot behind EJ Gaines or maybe some back-up FS reps?
BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released
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Ok how is anyone a weak link that goes 1-31 in the last 2years? Oh I see so if Taylor wasn't starting we would have been so great. Plz
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Ok how is anyone a weak link that goes 1-31 in the last 2years? Oh I see so if Taylor wasn't starting we would have been so great. Plz
Ok how is anyone a weak link that goes 1-31 in the last 2years? Oh I see so if Taylor wasn't starting we would have been so great. Plz
Taylor was one of the big reasons we were one and 31 last year. And with the new talent that had been brought in, yes he was the weakest link
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Anna & Lynnic's would both get fired at The home of Depo
..#13 overall CB at a 156th pay rate should at least get BBC a camp look at Fort Dorsey. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfls-10-most-valuable-players-on-smaller-contracts Haslam should be BBC free uber driver? (now again, am a buckeye fan. but when a Golden Gopher continued to jump off the screen,BBC got my attention.early.)
Gotta agree with you Gums! IMO Boddy-Calhoun has made the most of his opportunities here. When he first started to get reps - I can't even tell you how many times I found myself asking in a positive way "Wow, who is this guy?" He impressed me way more than Jamar Taylor ever did at a fraction of the cap hit you alluded to. If Gregg Williams has been seeing the same player we have; and our FO really loves a good walk-on story - the warm fuzzies for BBC should be going viral in Berea...
Gotta agree with you Gums! IMO Boddy-Calhoun has made the most of his opportunities here. When he first started to get reps - I can't even tell you how many times I found myself asking in a positive way "Wow, who is this guy?" He impressed me way more than Jamar Taylor ever did at a fraction of the cap hit you alluded to. If Gregg Williams has been seeing the same player we have; and our FO really loves a good walk-on story - the warm fuzzies for BBC should be going viral in Berea...
When he first started getting playing time, I (not so) affectionately called him (dead) Boddy Calhoon. He was flat- out terrible, but has improved immensely with experience.
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16M must be our thing
Brock,Tyrod, now our Dead Cap Money in 2018..Jamar took a hit too.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/21/17375604/report-jamar-taylors-contract-was-re-worked-before-trade-to-arizona (check out cap break down in comments)
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Taylor was one of the big reasons we were one and 31 last year. And with the new talent that had been brought in, yes he was the weakest link
I agree with Taylor being the odd man out right now but it seems he was good enough to start? My point...having Taylor making an exit shouldn't be entirely his fault. Oh and btw way I really like motorboating even in the winter.
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Taylor was a stopgap. He had enough talent to start. We flipped 7th rounders to get him and signed him to a stopgap contract.
We got him when Sashi Brown was GM and Ray Horton was DC.
Two years later, Dorsey has been able to get the kind of corners Williams wants ... press corners.
We brought in 3 free agent corners and drafted two ... one with the #4 pick overall, so Williams has his press corners and Taylor can move to a situation that fits him better.
We're growing, we're getting better. We're building an actual "team" where the parts fit together. But Taylor wasn't a shitty CB, he's a good NFL corner who no longer fits what we are doing in Cleveland. Thank you for your service. He gave 100% two years in a row on a shitty team, I wish him well with the Cards.
Zombo
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Taylor was a stopgap. He had enough talent to start. We flipped 7th rounders to get him and signed him to a stopgap contract.
We got him when Sashi Brown was GM and Ray Horton was DC.
Two years later, Dorsey has been able to get the kind of corners Williams wants ... press corners.
We brought in 3 free agent corners and drafted two ... one with the #4 pick overall, so Williams has his press corners and Taylor can move to a situation that fits him better.
We're growing, we're getting better. We're building an actual "team" where the parts fit together. But Taylor wasn't a shitty CB, he's a good NFL corner who no longer fits what we are doing in Cleveland. Thank you for your service. He gave 100% two years in a row on a shitty team, I wish him well with the Cards.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Taylor was a stopgap. He had enough talent to start. We flipped 7th rounders to get him and signed him to a stopgap contract.
We got him when Sashi Brown was GM and Ray Horton was DC.
Two years later, Dorsey has been able to get the kind of corners Williams wants ... press corners.
We brought in 3 free agent corners and drafted two ... one with the #4 pick overall, so Williams has his press corners and Taylor can move to a situation that fits him better.
We're growing, we're getting better. We're building an actual "team" where the parts fit together. But Taylor wasn't a shitty CB, he's a good NFL corner who no longer fits what we are doing in Cleveland. Thank you for your service. He gave 100% two years in a row on a shitty team, I wish him well with the Cards.
Zombo
Well...I disagree somewhat. Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB. He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire. He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.
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Zombo said:
Taylor was a stopgap. He had enough talent to start. We flipped 7th rounders to get him and signed him to a stopgap contract.
We got him when Sashi Brown was GM and Ray Horton was DC.
Two years later, Dorsey has been able to get the kind of corners Williams wants ... press corners.
We brought in 3 free agent corners and drafted two ... one with the #4 pick overall, so Williams has his press corners and Taylor can move to a situation that fits him better.
We're growing, we're getting better. We're building an actual "team" where the parts fit together. But Taylor wasn't a shitty CB, he's a good NFL corner who no longer fits what we are doing in Cleveland. Thank you for your service. He gave 100% two years in a row on a shitty team, I wish him well with the Cards.
Zombo
Well...I disagree somewhat. Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB. He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire. He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.
Well...I disagree somewhat. Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB. He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire. He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.
Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.
We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.
Zombo
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Well...I disagree somewhat. Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB. He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire. He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.
Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.
We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.
We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.
Zombo
To quote Bill Belichick "I can only go by what I see"...and what I saw of Taylor was that he was often a crispy critter.
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Well...I disagree somewhat. Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB. He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire. He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.
Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.
We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.
We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.
Zombo
Fortunate to upgrade the position is almost an understatement. Our two worst position groups (DB and WR) have been upgraded tremendously, not to mention QB. Our D backfield has been absolute Sheet since Haden/Ward/Gipson and our WR...well...
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BBC was #1 in the league last year at slot corner yards given up per play.. No way he doesn't play there..
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BBC was #1 in the league last year at slot corner yards given up per play.. No way he doesn't play there..
BBC was #1 in the league last year at slot corner yards given up per play.. No way he doesn't play there..
By that I assume you mean "least yards given up per play"? As opposed to most?
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Taylor was one of the big reasons we were one and 31 last year. And with the new talent that had been brought in, yes he was the weakest link
I agree with Taylor being the odd man out right now but it seems he was good enough to start? My point...having Taylor making an exit shouldn't be entirely his fault. Oh and btw way I really like motorboating even in the winter.
I agree with Taylor being the odd man out right now but it seems he was good enough to start? My point...having Taylor making an exit shouldn't be entirely his fault.
You're line of reasoning doesn't seem bad. That said, was he starting because the FO already overrated him into a salary increase after they rated him much higher than the team in Miami that gave up on him a few years ago? FWIW, he wasn't the only one in our secondary that needed to be replaced, which is why all 4 positions are projected to have a new starter in 2018.
I could very well be wrong here - but I've always seen him the way I saw Anthony Henry. I thought Henry was an ideal 3rd corner here in Cleveland where he led the conference with 10 INTs during his rookie year of 2001 that he played in that role for us. When injuries bumped him into a starting corner for us - he wasn't winning match-ups nearly as frequently as he did as a rookie to the extent we didn't even feel compelled to extend him a new contract. Meanwhile, the Dallas Cowboys remembered that rookie INT inventory and projected him with the ability worthy of being paid like a #1 corner. I'm sure any media questioning the decision probably got asked why would he be expected to show improving numbers in a place like Cleveland anyway. IMO, this is where you gotta be razor sharp at seeing WHO you are paying up against what you are getting back in return per expectation fulfilled/unfulfilled. Just like some guys are born to be slot receivers - some guys are better wired to cover slot receivers. I think Jamar Taylor can have a much more competitive/productive career in this particular role. That said, if a FO is overrating him for more - they will pay him for the higher expectations. Okay, so what happens when a new regime comes in with all kinds of holes to patch? They're going to keep it real when it's time to evaluate performance for the expectation invested in. Keep in mind, opposing passers enjoyed the highest completion percentages against our secondary so he was going to hold both corners more accountable than the FO that brought both guys here. When I look at the 1 team that traded for Taylor, all they had to part with was a 6th round draft pick in 2020. There's no more Do-si-do with Dorsey's Dough.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
BBC was #1 in the league last year at slot corner yards given up per play.. No way he doesn't play there..
By that I assume you mean "least yards given up per play"? As opposed to most?
By that I assume you mean "least yards given up per play"? As opposed to most?
? Sometimes you gotta remove the attorney hat in exchange for your "Dances with Woofs" or "Drinks Beer" hat to see he concluded his point with "No way he doesn't play there.."
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I agree with Taylor being the odd man out right now but it seems he was good enough to start? My point...having Taylor making an exit shouldn't be entirely his fault.
You're line of reasoning doesn't seem bad. That said, was he starting because the FO already overrated him into a salary increase after they rated him much higher than the team in Miami that gave up on him a few years ago? FWIW, he wasn't the only one in our secondary that needed to be replaced, which is why all 4 positions are projected to have a new starter in 2018.
I could very well be wrong here - but I've always seen him the way I saw Anthony Henry. I thought Henry was an ideal 3rd corner here in Cleveland where he led the conference with 10 INTs during his rookie year of 2001 that he played in that role for us. When injuries bumped him into a starting corner for us - he wasn't winning match-ups nearly as frequently as he did as a rookie to the extent we didn't even feel compelled to extend him a new contract. Meanwhile, the Dallas Cowboys remembered that rookie INT inventory and projected him with the ability worthy of being paid like a #1 corner. I'm sure any media questioning the decision probably got asked why would he be expected to show improving numbers in a place like Cleveland anyway. IMO, this is where you gotta be razor sharp at seeing WHO you are paying up against what you are getting back in return per expectation fulfilled/unfulfilled. Just like some guys are born to be slot receivers - some guys are better wired to cover slot receivers. I think Jamar Taylor can have a much more competitive/productive career in this particular role. That said, if a FO is overrating him for more - they will pay him for the higher expectations. Okay, so what happens when a new regime comes in with all kinds of holes to patch? They're going to keep it real when it's time to evaluate performance for the expectation invested in. Keep in mind, opposing passers enjoyed the highest completion percentages against our secondary so he was going to hold both corners more accountable than the FO that brought both guys here. When I look at the 1 team that traded for Taylor, all they had to part with was a 6th round draft pick in 2020. There's no more Do-si-do with Dorsey's Dough.
You're line of reasoning doesn't seem bad. That said, was he starting because the FO already overrated him into a salary increase after they rated him much higher than the team in Miami that gave up on him a few years ago? FWIW, he wasn't the only one in our secondary that needed to be replaced, which is why all 4 positions are projected to have a new starter in 2018.
I could very well be wrong here - but I've always seen him the way I saw Anthony Henry. I thought Henry was an ideal 3rd corner here in Cleveland where he led the conference with 10 INTs during his rookie year of 2001 that he played in that role for us. When injuries bumped him into a starting corner for us - he wasn't winning match-ups nearly as frequently as he did as a rookie to the extent we didn't even feel compelled to extend him a new contract. Meanwhile, the Dallas Cowboys remembered that rookie INT inventory and projected him with the ability worthy of being paid like a #1 corner. I'm sure any media questioning the decision probably got asked why would he be expected to show improving numbers in a place like Cleveland anyway. IMO, this is where you gotta be razor sharp at seeing WHO you are paying up against what you are getting back in return per expectation fulfilled/unfulfilled. Just like some guys are born to be slot receivers - some guys are better wired to cover slot receivers. I think Jamar Taylor can have a much more competitive/productive career in this particular role. That said, if a FO is overrating him for more - they will pay him for the higher expectations. Okay, so what happens when a new regime comes in with all kinds of holes to patch? They're going to keep it real when it's time to evaluate performance for the expectation invested in. Keep in mind, opposing passers enjoyed the highest completion percentages against our secondary so he was going to hold both corners more accountable than the FO that brought both guys here. When I look at the 1 team that traded for Taylor, all they had to part with was a 6th round draft pick in 2020. There's no more Do-si-do with Dorsey's Dough.
Awesome.
Well I guess its "lets see"?
If we keep losing its only rearranging the deck chairs on the titantic. Lets see how Taylor does in a new situation and lets see how many games we win without a "weak link".
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