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Dwight Clark passes away, 61

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  • mjp28M mjp28

    Zombo said:

    .......Believe it or not ... He built a playoff team. Clark got into a power struggle, and lost, with Butch Davis and he left in May 2002 and Butch took over "Grand Poobah" duties. Ironically, Clark was a big part of recruiting Butch Davis.

    Those 2002 Browns made the playoffs, and behind Kelly Holcomb, gave the Stillers the scare of their lives in the Wild Card Round. Davis was gone a couple years later after some bad drafts and worse coaching, and a panic attack over a regular season game with the Bengals.

    Clark's most valuable pick? According to career AV, that would be Gerard Warren, but much of that not accumulated with Browns.

    Value picks? Wali Rainer in the fourth, Dennis Northcutt in the 2nd, Anthony Henry in the 4th, Andra Davis in the 5th.

    Zombo

    For all of the pretty much flop #1 picks they were getting somewhat near competitive football but all in all wasn't up to the old BROWNS football standards and just tanked after that.

    I wasn't really totally impressed with coach Palmer either, don't remember who's decision that was.

    I also remembered "Charmin' Carmen" Policy, his house was about 1.5 miles from mine when I first moved to Boardman, my cousin did business with his former law partner.

    All in an era some BROWNS fans don't want or just care that much about remembering. 

    @mjp28 said:

    For all of the pretty much flop #1 picks they were getting somewhat near competitive football but all in all wasn't up to the old BROWNS football standards and just tanked after that.

    I wasn't really totally impressed with coach Palmer either, don't remember who's decision that was.

    I also remembered "Charmin' Carmen" Policy, his house was about 1.5 miles from mine when I first moved to Boardman, my cousin did business with his former law partner.

    All in an era some BROWNS fans don't want or just care that much about remembering. 

    Clark sure had an eye for WRs.

  • B boo fagley

    @mjp28 said:

    For all of the pretty much flop #1 picks they were getting somewhat near competitive football but all in all wasn't up to the old BROWNS football standards and just tanked after that.

    I wasn't really totally impressed with coach Palmer either, don't remember who's decision that was.

    I also remembered "Charmin' Carmen" Policy, his house was about 1.5 miles from mine when I first moved to Boardman, my cousin did business with his former law partner.

    All in an era some BROWNS fans don't want or just care that much about remembering. 

    Clark sure had an eye for WRs.

    @boo-fagley said:

    Clark sure had an eye for WRs.

    unlike  Matt Millen

  • F FairHooker11

    @boo-fagley said:

    Clark sure had an eye for WRs.

    unlike  Matt Millen

    @fairhooker11 said:

    unlike  Matt Millen

    Johnson, Northcutt, Davis and Morgan.

    All great WRs. Add Andra Davis, Courtney Brown. Warren was a very decent DT. 

    The GipperT hoortaH 2 Replies

  • Let's not get all revisionist history here...

    Dwight Clark was a helluva player, but he was not a good GM. He wasn't even hired to be the GM, but because the NFL put the Browns behind the 8 ball by giving them virtually no time to start their franchise, he kind of fell into the position. 

  • B boo fagley

    @fairhooker11 said:

    unlike  Matt Millen

    Johnson, Northcutt, Davis and Morgan.

    All great WRs. Add Andra Davis, Courtney Brown. Warren was a very decent DT. 

    @boo-fagley said:

    Johnson, Northcutt, Davis and Morgan.

    All great WRs. Add Andra Davis, Courtney Brown. Warren was a very decent DT. 

    No he wasn't not for us he wasn'tNo he wasn't not for us he wasn't

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  • Best catch of a throwaway pass ever.  Will always be remembered for that.

    mjp28M 1 Reply
  • B boo fagley

    @fairhooker11 said:

    unlike  Matt Millen

    Johnson, Northcutt, Davis and Morgan.

    All great WRs. Add Andra Davis, Courtney Brown. Warren was a very decent DT. 

    @boo-fagley said:

    Johnson, Northcutt, Davis and Morgan.

    All great WRs. Add Andra Davis, Courtney Brown. Warren was a very decent DT. 

    Courtney Brown never lived up to his draft status. Warren was a journeyman at best, mostly not with the Browns. And I haven't forgotten we took " Spare Change" with Ladanian Tomlinson and Richard Seymour still on the board either. MHO rates as a top 5 Browns draft screw up.

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  • Big Money Warren sucked.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    Best catch of a throwaway pass ever.  Will always be remembered for that.

    @kvoethe said:

    Best catch of a throwaway pass ever.  Will always be remembered for that.

    QB Joe Cool never saw his pass or completion.....well except on the countless replays.

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @boo-fagley said:

    Johnson, Northcutt, Davis and Morgan.

    All great WRs. Add Andra Davis, Courtney Brown. Warren was a very decent DT. 

    No he wasn't not for us he wasn'tNo he wasn't not for us he wasn't

    @the-gipper said:

    No he wasn't not for us he wasn'tNo he wasn't not for us he wasn't

    You can say that again.

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    Big Money Warren sucked.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Big Money Warren sucked.

    5 sacks and 31 tackles his first season is good. Then, another 5 sack season and 3 - 4 sack seasons. Was he worth the 3rd pick in the draft? No.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WarrGe20.htm

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @boo-fagley said:

    Johnson, Northcutt, Davis and Morgan.

    All great WRs. Add Andra Davis, Courtney Brown. Warren was a very decent DT. 

    Courtney Brown never lived up to his draft status. Warren was a journeyman at best, mostly not with the Browns. And I haven't forgotten we took " Spare Change" with Ladanian Tomlinson and Richard Seymour still on the board either. MHO rates as a top 5 Browns draft screw up.

    @hoorta said:

    Courtney Brown never lived up to his draft status. Warren was a journeyman at best, mostly not with the Browns. And I haven't forgotten we took " Spare Change" with Ladanian Tomlinson and Richard Seymour still on the board either. MHO rates as a top 5 Browns draft screw up.

    Brown showed spurts of being great as I recall. Injuries did him in as I look back.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowCo22.htm

  • B boo fagley

    @hoorta said:

    Courtney Brown never lived up to his draft status. Warren was a journeyman at best, mostly not with the Browns. And I haven't forgotten we took " Spare Change" with Ladanian Tomlinson and Richard Seymour still on the board either. MHO rates as a top 5 Browns draft screw up.

    Brown showed spurts of being great as I recall. Injuries did him in as I look back.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowCo22.htm

    @boo-fagley said:

    Brown showed spurts of being great as I recall. Injuries did him in as I look back.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowCo22.htm

    Then he's an "injury bust", not as bad as Ki-Jana Carter. But certainly not worth the #1 overall pick. You expect a multi time pro bowl HOFer on the level of a Lawrence Taylor drafting that high. It happens, Aundray Bruce is another example. Also way back we drafted a high potential wr by the name of Lawyer Tillman, who couldn't stay healthy. I just hope Corey Coleman isn't on a similar career track.

    I don't remember who said it, but Brown got called out for being "soft". 🙂

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @boo-fagley said:

    Brown showed spurts of being great as I recall. Injuries did him in as I look back.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowCo22.htm

    Then he's an "injury bust", not as bad as Ki-Jana Carter. But certainly not worth the #1 overall pick. You expect a multi time pro bowl HOFer on the level of a Lawrence Taylor drafting that high. It happens, Aundray Bruce is another example. Also way back we drafted a high potential wr by the name of Lawyer Tillman, who couldn't stay healthy. I just hope Corey Coleman isn't on a similar career track.

    I don't remember who said it, but Brown got called out for being "soft". 🙂

    @hoorta said:

    I don't remember who said it, but Brown got called out for being "soft". 🙂

    Did his name have these letters G H O O L I E?

    😂
  • B boo fagley

    @hoorta said:

    I don't remember who said it, but Brown got called out for being "soft". 🙂

    Did his name have these letters G H O O L I E?

    @boo-fagley said:

    Did his name have these letters G H O O L I E?

    Damn, you made me use Google? It was Warren Sapp.   http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20021014/NEWS/310149988

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @boo-fagley said:

    Did his name have these letters G H O O L I E?

    Damn, you made me use Google? It was Warren Sapp.   http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20021014/NEWS/310149988

    @hoorta said:

    Damn, you made me use Google? It was Warren Sapp.   http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20021014/NEWS/310149988

    I was at that game. They lined Sapp up at fullback and he plowed straight over Brown.

    Ya, Courtney was an athletic freak, but he was softspoken and didn't have that killer instinct. Shouldn't have been taken #1 overall. I wanted Arrington, Penn State's brash leader that draft, he was a great one but career curtailed to injury.

    Zombo

  • Z Zombo

    @hoorta said:

    Damn, you made me use Google? It was Warren Sapp.   http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20021014/NEWS/310149988

    I was at that game. They lined Sapp up at fullback and he plowed straight over Brown.

    Ya, Courtney was an athletic freak, but he was softspoken and didn't have that killer instinct. Shouldn't have been taken #1 overall. I wanted Arrington, Penn State's brash leader that draft, he was a great one but career curtailed to injury.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    I was at that game. They lined Sapp up at fullback and he plowed straight over Brown.

    Ya, Courtney was an athletic freak, but he was softspoken and didn't have that killer instinct. Shouldn't have been taken #1 overall. I wanted Arrington, Penn State's brash leader that draft, he was a great one but career curtailed to injury.

    Zombo

    Let's just hope mild mannered Myles turns out better. 🙂

  • hoortaH hoorta

    Zombo said:

    I was at that game. They lined Sapp up at fullback and he plowed straight over Brown.

    Ya, Courtney was an athletic freak, but he was softspoken and didn't have that killer instinct. Shouldn't have been taken #1 overall. I wanted Arrington, Penn State's brash leader that draft, he was a great one but career curtailed to injury.

    Zombo

    Let's just hope mild mannered Myles turns out better. 🙂

    @hoorta said:

    Let's just hope mild mannered Myles turns out better. 🙂

    Reggie White was mild mannered.

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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  • I'm finally going to comment on this.

    61 years old.  One of my best friends only made it to 57.  My brother, 59.  Another best friend, 62.  My life-long best friend (Vikings fan), 63.

    WTF.  I thought we were supposed to be living LONGER in this day and age...

    SOMEBODY, ANYBODY, fire up that CRIPSR thing!!  

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
  • OrionO Orion

    I'm finally going to comment on this.

    61 years old.  One of my best friends only made it to 57.  My brother, 59.  Another best friend, 62.  My life-long best friend (Vikings fan), 63.

    WTF.  I thought we were supposed to be living LONGER in this day and age...

    SOMEBODY, ANYBODY, fire up that CRIPSR thing!!  

    @orion said:

    I'm finally going to comment on this.

    61 years old.  One of my best friends only made it to 57.  My brother, 59.  Another best friend, 62.  My life-long best friend (Vikings fan), 63.

    WTF.  I thought we were supposed to be living LONGER in this day and age...

    SOMEBODY, ANYBODY, fire up that CRIPSR thing!!  

    I recall hearing something once that ex-pro football players have one of the shortest life expectancies of any profession, not too far behind coal miners. 

    Wrap your head around that for a second. 

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