Stallworth Suspended
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Okay this is a bit much...Mike Vick defrauded the NFL the US Government and commited a heinous crime against humanity for murdering dogs... and he was suspended indefinitely. Stallworth on the other hand, drove drunk hit and killed a humanbeing who may or may not have been "breaking the law" (jay walking) and using poor judgement (jumping out infront of traffic). Stallworth didn't run from his mistake or try to lie about it, he stayed there took his lumps made things as right as they could possibly be (under the circumstances) and will do his time as handed down by and count of law...(unlike another NFL wide reciever who shall remain nameless and who very likely will be suiting up for an NFL team this season.) Now I am in no way saying Stallworth shouldn't be punished...by all means give him and 4 or 8 game suspension...but while we condemn his crimes let us not for get to commend his handling of the situation...he didn't bitch or whine or cry about it being "not my fault" he maned up and did the right thing. No I am an huge Brown's Fan...but I am not a huge Stallworth fan....until now...in a world full of celebrity athletes who lie cheat and steal their way out of trouble, Stallworth handled it the right way. I am not saying he should be congratulated or rewarded I am saying he shouldn't be crusified. Thank you for reading.
...but I am not a huge Stallworth fan....until now...in a world full of celebrity athletes who lie cheat and steal their way out of trouble, Stallworth handled it the right way. I am not saying he should be congratulated or rewarded I am saying he shouldn't be crusified. Thank you for reading.
What do you mean crucified!? 30 days prison, 2 years home confinement, 8[?] years probation and ordinary people [non - celeb] involved in DUI/manslaughter charges/convictions on average get MUCH more harsh sentences {Like YEARS in prison!!} No, the big $$ did the talking, look at the legal system in Miami Beach court. Stallworth benefitted by swift action [quick public statements of remorse] a family probably eager to non lingering court battles and $$, plus some very questionable behind the scenes activity with the lawyers. To me looks like Donte got a GREAT deal, I hardly feel sorry for him. As a player, I never believed he was worth the money he got, and HOPE the Browns can recoup some of their loss. At the very least, Stallworth has no more paydays! BTW thanks Goodell, Stick it to him!!
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I think Goodell got it spot on. The part I liked is the link to the public support of this league and how he needed to respect those riches and conduct himself accordingly. There is no excuse for what he did, man the guy could have a full time chauffeur if he wanted. This decision is the right one. He's just lucky he got 30 days, that was far too soft.
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mz. said:
I think the fact that we drafted two WRs in round two in April's draft and signed two additional vets tells me Stally wasn't in our 2009/future plans anyway.+1
anyone know if his suspension clears his salary on the cap? either way I don't want him anywhere near this team, he was practically worthless last year(albeit that could have been some of crennel's fault), and we have young rookies to develop anyway.
+1
anyone know if his suspension clears his salary on the cap?
When a player is suspended, his prorated signing bonuses still count, but his base salary does not.
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+1
anyone know if his suspension clears his salary on the cap?
When a player is suspended, his prorated signing bonuses still count, but his base salary does not.
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mikeyP72 said:
I bet 2 cases of beer Goodell has drank and drove. Probably done worse.Hyprocrisy.
Dude, come on. Don't make ASSUMPTIONS. Because you look like an ASS and the UMP will SHUN you. But really, he never killed someone regardless.
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@jadbf said:
My two centsI applaud the Goodell for this action. And I agree with shep I beleive it was that said he heard it will be years. or the same amount as his home confinement set by the judicial system.
That makes sense to me. Because in my opinion, "home confinement" technically still counts as being in jail, and you wouldn't let a guy play while in jail.
I expect Goodell won't even say it's two years. I predict they say they will revist his supsension when the two year sentance is ending.
For those who think Stallworth should be banned for life for making one stupid mistake, I hope I never get someone like you on a jury of mine.
Actually, the home confinement means he is confined to home EXCEPT when he is working. He is allowed to go to and from his JOB and make a living. And although we like to think of this as 'playing', the NFL is his 'job'.
At any rate, I think a lot of people are making a lot of speculations about the duration, but looking at what has been done in the past for DUI's...and for Domestic Abuse...and other incidents with individuals with MULTIPLE infractions...I would tend to believe that he is out for THIS year...and then will be re-evaluated based on his commitment to the promises he made in the courts leading to this outcome.
Even so, the ramifications for the Browns is simple. He will cost us $7.6M if we cut him now...and $0 if we cut him in 2010 due to the absence of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Therefore, he will most likely be cut the week following the end of the Browns season.
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Did you know that three of MADD's top executives have gotten DUI's in the last three years... talk about hypocrites
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Did you know that three of MADD's top executives have gotten DUI's in the last three years... talk about hypocrites
Did you know that three of MADD's top executives have gotten DUI's in the last three years... talk about hypocrites
rofl
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@shepwrite said:
I read a rumor somewhere that he's expected to be suspended for two years, the length of his home confinement.This has NOT turned out to be a small price to pay.
Nor should it be, knowing full well that, except for the Grace of God, I could be in his shoes.
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Clearly, this is a topic of controversy. There are going to be people who think he shouldn't be punished and there are some who will believe he deserves a death sentence. But the main importance of this tragic accident is that the primary people impacted by it (his family) are happy with his "sentence".
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...but I am not a huge Stallworth fan....until now...in a world full of celebrity athletes who lie cheat and steal their way out of trouble, Stallworth handled it the right way. I am not saying he should be congratulated or rewarded I am saying he shouldn't be crusified. Thank you for reading.
What do you mean crucified!? 30 days prison, 2 years home confinement, 8[?] years probation and ordinary people [non - celeb] involved in DUI/manslaughter charges/convictions on average get MUCH more harsh sentences {Like YEARS in prison!!} No, the big $$ did the talking, look at the legal system in Miami Beach court. Stallworth benefitted by swift action [quick public statements of remorse] a family probably eager to non lingering court battles and $$, plus some very questionable behind the scenes activity with the lawyers. To me looks like Donte got a GREAT deal, I hardly feel sorry for him. As a player, I never believed he was worth the money he got, and HOPE the Browns can recoup some of their loss. At the very least, Stallworth has no more paydays! BTW thanks Goodell, Stick it to him!!
What do you mean crucified!? 30 days prison, 2 years home confinement, 8[?] years probation and ordinary people [non - celeb] involved in DUI/manslaughter charges/convictions on average get MUCH more harsh sentences {Like YEARS in prison!!}
What I was saying was no that he was crucified by the legal system, but if the legal system and the family have seen fit to give Stallworth the benifit of the doubt and show so leniency. Then who the heck is the commish of the NFL to suspend him "indefinitely"? I am all for the commish flexing his muscles when called for but this is one time when an 8 game suspension is all that is needed. Consider Stallworth's leason learned and walk away.
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What do you mean crucified!? 30 days prison, 2 years home confinement, 8[?] years probation and ordinary people [non - celeb] involved in DUI/manslaughter charges/convictions on average get MUCH more harsh sentences {Like YEARS in prison!!}
What I was saying was no that he was crucified by the legal system, but if the legal system and the family have seen fit to give Stallworth the benifit of the doubt and show so leniency. Then who the heck is the commish of the NFL to suspend him "indefinitely"? I am all for the commish flexing his muscles when called for but this is one time when an 8 game suspension is all that is needed. Consider Stallworth's leason learned and walk away.
One time when an 8 game suspension is all that is needed. Consider Stallworth's leason learned and walk away.
Dude your on crack. He killed someone period. This is not this first time in trouble for Stallworth. He is enrolled in the league substance abuse program. This was a correct assessment by the Commish. Playing football is a privilege not a right.
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One time when an 8 game suspension is all that is needed. Consider Stallworth's leason learned and walk away.
Dude your on crack. He killed someone period. This is not this first time in trouble for Stallworth. He is enrolled in the league substance abuse program. This was a correct assessment by the Commish. Playing football is a privilege not a right.
Dude your on crack. He killed someone period. This is not this first time in trouble for Stallworth. He is enrolled in the league substance abuse program. This was a correct assessment by the Commish. Playing football is a privilege not a right.
Totally disagree, playing football is not a privilege or a right, it is a job. So think about it like this, you are working for a company that makes toys...you then get arrested, put on trial and are found guilty of a crime...you go to jail for a month and get a lot of probation...your employer has the right to fire you but he doesn't have the right to prevent you from working for another company that also makes toys. And I don't want to hear that he can work for the AFL or CFL thats like saying I have a degree in business and you want me to work at taco bell...rediculous. Now as far as him killing someone sure he did was it completely his fault heck no it wasn't otherwise they never would've offered him a plea bargin. With Stallworth's money he could've probably gotten off near scott free, but he didn't he took his punishment. Case closed
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My take on it:
1) He is paying his debt to the family in a manner "satisfactory" to them. Enough where they did not want to pursue it any further, which by the way was probably about money, but ALSO about the manner in which he took responsibility.
2) The court also had its say and his sentence has been handed down.
3) Goodell will now review this entire manner, and I think he will review it next season. Donte' is gone for 2009, and if he stays out of trouble should be reviewed for reinstatement in 2010.
But even though I was hard on the sentencing - he got off light for felony DUI manslaughter - I think he has handled himself like a man through it all. He owned up to his mistake and never once fought the justice he had coming. To me, these fancy littlie fooking fairies we call professional athletes who get into trouble have never acted like men and took responsibility.
For what it's worth, he stood up and dealt with it openly and honestly.
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Dude your on crack. He killed someone period. This is not this first time in trouble for Stallworth. He is enrolled in the league substance abuse program. This was a correct assessment by the Commish. Playing football is a privilege not a right.
Totally disagree, playing football is not a privilege or a right, it is a job. So think about it like this, you are working for a company that makes toys...you then get arrested, put on trial and are found guilty of a crime...you go to jail for a month and get a lot of probation...your employer has the right to fire you but he doesn't have the right to prevent you from working for another company that also makes toys. And I don't want to hear that he can work for the AFL or CFL thats like saying I have a degree in business and you want me to work at taco bell...rediculous. Now as far as him killing someone sure he did was it completely his fault heck no it wasn't otherwise they never would've offered him a plea bargin. With Stallworth's money he could've probably gotten off near scott free, but he didn't he took his punishment. Case closed
Totally disagree, playing football is not a privilege or a right, it is a job.
Commissoner of the NFL just came flat out and proved you incorrect. In fact he stated that playing in the league is a priveledge.
And by the way, he does have every right to exclude him from playing in said league. Want to play in the CFL or UFL? Go ahead.
It's not the same? Too fooking bad. Neither is the 15 year old daughter of Mr Reyes.
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Dude your on crack. He killed someone period. This is not this first time in trouble for Stallworth. He is enrolled in the league substance abuse program. This was a correct assessment by the Commish. Playing football is a privilege not a right.
Totally disagree, playing football is not a privilege or a right, it is a job. So think about it like this, you are working for a company that makes toys...you then get arrested, put on trial and are found guilty of a crime...you go to jail for a month and get a lot of probation...your employer has the right to fire you but he doesn't have the right to prevent you from working for another company that also makes toys. And I don't want to hear that he can work for the AFL or CFL thats like saying I have a degree in business and you want me to work at taco bell...rediculous. Now as far as him killing someone sure he did was it completely his fault heck no it wasn't otherwise they never would've offered him a plea bargin. With Stallworth's money he could've probably gotten off near scott free, but he didn't he took his punishment. Case closed
Totally disagree, playing football is not a privilege or a right, it is a job. So think about it like this, you are working for a company that makes toys...you then get arrested, put on trial and are found guilty of a crime...you go to jail for a month and get a lot of probation...your employer has the right to fire you but he doesn't have the right to prevent you from working for another company that also makes toys. And I don't want to hear that he can work for the AFL or CFL thats like saying I have a degree in business and you want me to work at taco bell...rediculous. Now as far as him killing someone sure he did was it completely his fault heck no it wasn't otherwise they never would've offered him a plea bargin. With Stallworth's money he could've probably gotten off near scott free, but he didn't he took his punishment. Case closed
If he doesn't want to abide by the rules of the NFL, then tough shit. That is what HE signed up for playing for the NFL. If I was working at a toy company and they made me sign an agreement, saying even if I get fired I cannot work for another toy company even if I get fired, then those are the rules. So yes they do have the right to prevent you from working for another company, if you signed that agreement. That agreement is in everyone's NFL contract, HE SIGNED IT. Being a 7 year vet, Stallworth was well aware of those rules before getting behind the wheel of his Bentley. He can't take all the good stuff and leave the bad. Sorry man your wrong.
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@shepwrite said:
surrender his license for at least five years.Actually he lost his license for life.
I did argue before that he got off easy. I am sort of rethinking that stand point.
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I can pretty much say I agree with Amber, Adam, Shep, and Jclong.
Stallworth got his, he's out millions, he is in prison for 30 days (prison is prison, 30 days or 30 years, you can still become someones bitch), He's suspended for at least 8 games, he has 1000 hours of community service to do, he's on 2 years close watch and like 8 years probation, and he's never allowed to drive again for the rest of his life, ever.
That's not as light as everyone is making it out to be.
Everyone here knows I support Vick coming back to the league, he has paid his debt to society. I see each individual NFL team as a separate employer. The falcons have the right to fire him, but I don't think its fair that Goodell can restrict him from playing for any other teams, I think that should be up to each individual team.
You all keep saying, Donte killed a man... yes he did.... but it was an accident, there was no intent to harm anyone. Vick purposefully did what he did, and he intended to do it. Thats why his sentence was harsher, but as I said, he paid his debt and I support him.
Once Donte does his 30 days, he will be allowed to work again, and I see no reason why he cannot work in the NFL since it is what he is good at, and since doesnt pose any danger to society anymore, he cant drive, and Im pretty sure he's gonna be smart enough not to from here on out, many people have referred to him as an intelligent individual. Everyone makes mistakes, Donte's ended a mans life, but Donte shouldnt be forced to end his, thats the same eye for an eye thinking that will be the end of this world. As Amber said the family is content, the law is content, (Stallworth is not content, he is deeply remoreseful) so why cant the NFL and its fans be content?
Stallworth has a steep sentence as well as tough conscience from here on out, and thats going to stick with him for the rest of his life, and that is more of a punishment than any amount of prison time
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@shepwrite said:
surrender his license for at least five years.Actually he lost his license for life.
I did argue before that he got off easy. I am sort of rethinking that stand point.
Actually he lost his license for life.
I did argue before that he got off easy. I am sort of rethinking that stand point.
Yes, he did get it revoked for life. But I believe it was reported that the revocation can be revisted in 5 years and a limited-type license awarded.
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I can pretty much say I agree with Amber, Adam, Shep, and Jclong.
Stallworth got his, he's out millions, he is in prison for 30 days (prison is prison, 30 days or 30 years, you can still become someones bitch), He's suspended for at least 8 games, he has 1000 hours of community service to do, he's on 2 years close watch and like 8 years probation, and he's never allowed to drive again for the rest of his life, ever.
That's not as light as everyone is making it out to be.
Everyone here knows I support Vick coming back to the league, he has paid his debt to society. I see each individual NFL team as a separate employer. The falcons have the right to fire him, but I don't think its fair that Goodell can restrict him from playing for any other teams, I think that should be up to each individual team.
You all keep saying, Donte killed a man... yes he did.... but it was an accident, there was no intent to harm anyone. Vick purposefully did what he did, and he intended to do it. Thats why his sentence was harsher, but as I said, he paid his debt and I support him.
Once Donte does his 30 days, he will be allowed to work again, and I see no reason why he cannot work in the NFL since it is what he is good at, and since doesnt pose any danger to society anymore, he cant drive, and Im pretty sure he's gonna be smart enough not to from here on out, many people have referred to him as an intelligent individual. Everyone makes mistakes, Donte's ended a mans life, but Donte shouldnt be forced to end his, thats the same eye for an eye thinking that will be the end of this world. As Amber said the family is content, the law is content, (Stallworth is not content, he is deeply remoreseful) so why cant the NFL and its fans be content?
Stallworth has a steep sentence as well as tough conscience from here on out, and thats going to stick with him for the rest of his life, and that is more of a punishment than any amount of prison time
I don't think its fair that Goodell can restrict him from playing for any other teams, I think that should be up to each individual team.
Those are the terms and conditions of playing in the NFL and in his contract. If he didn't want to abide by those rules then he doesn't have to play football.
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