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  • @the-gipper said:

    Again, to me, the real test of a good fan base is how they are when a team has been down for a lengthy period of time.  When the Steelers end up having 3-4 losing seasons in a row, ....then we discuss how good that fan base is. If their stadium ends up being half empty, as I surmise it would be, then we can tell how good they are.

    Yeah, like that's going to ever happen.

    @ghoolie said:

    Yeah, like that's going to ever happen.

    It will.  Dan Rooney....the real master of the Steeler dynasty is dead.  Ben R. is the one guy that keeps that franchise on top. Once he is gone, that team will have it downturn.  If you don't think things aren't cyclical, you have paid no attention to history.  Only very rarely do you get a Steve Young following up a Joe Montana. It has been 20 years since the end of the 49ers dynasty....and they have hardly recovered since. (maybe they will now...but it will have taken those 20 years.

    For the first 40 years of their existance the New England Patriots were one of the worst teams in the league.  Once the BB/TB combination ducks out, they could be back to that.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Yeah, like that's going to ever happen.

    It will.  Dan Rooney....the real master of the Steeler dynasty is dead.  Ben R. is the one guy that keeps that franchise on top. Once he is gone, that team will have it downturn.  If you don't think things aren't cyclical, you have paid no attention to history.  Only very rarely do you get a Steve Young following up a Joe Montana. It has been 20 years since the end of the 49ers dynasty....and they have hardly recovered since. (maybe they will now...but it will have taken those 20 years.

    For the first 40 years of their existance the New England Patriots were one of the worst teams in the league.  Once the BB/TB combination ducks out, they could be back to that.

    @the-gipper said:

    It will.  Dan Rooney....the real master of the Steeler dynasty is dead.  Ben R. is the one guy that keeps that franchise on top. Once he is gone, that team will have it downturn.  If you don't think things aren't cyclical, you have paid no attention to history.  Only very rarely do you get a Steve Young following up a Joe Montana. It has been 20 years since the end of the 49ers dynasty....and they have hardly recovered since. (maybe they will now...but it will have taken those 20 years.

    For the first 40 years of their existance the New England Patriots were one of the worst teams in the league.  Once the BB/TB combination ducks out, they could be back to that.

    Yes, and the majority of Steeler fans think the history of the NFL started in 1972, when the Squealers started their big run. Before that it was 27 losing seasons, 4 .500 records, and 8 winning seasons in almost 40 years, including one "perfect" 0-10.  But that was a long time ago according to them, can't possibly happen again. After all, we're the Mighty Steelers. A few bad drafts after Ben retires and Mason Rudolph doesn't pan out, back to mediocrity. We've already heard opinions here that a lot of Pittsburgh fans are less than thrilled with Tomlin.   

    They've had their Bubby Brister years since.  I always like to point out- as Investment Companies always do- "past performance is no guarantee of future results".  

  • @ghoolie said:

    Yeah, like that's going to ever happen.

    It will.  Dan Rooney....the real master of the Steeler dynasty is dead.  Ben R. is the one guy that keeps that franchise on top. Once he is gone, that team will have it downturn.  If you don't think things aren't cyclical, you have paid no attention to history.  Only very rarely do you get a Steve Young following up a Joe Montana. It has been 20 years since the end of the 49ers dynasty....and they have hardly recovered since. (maybe they will now...but it will have taken those 20 years.

    For the first 40 years of their existance the New England Patriots were one of the worst teams in the league.  Once the BB/TB combination ducks out, they could be back to that.

    @the-gipper said:

    It will.  Dan Rooney....the real master of the Steeler dynasty is dead.  Ben R. is the one guy that keeps that franchise on top. Once he is gone, that team will have it downturn.  If you don't think things aren't cyclical, you have paid no attention to history.  Only very rarely do you get a Steve Young following up a Joe Montana. It has been 20 years since the end of the 49ers dynasty....and they have hardly recovered since. (maybe they will now...but it will have taken those 20 years.

    For the first 40 years of their existance the New England Patriots were one of the worst teams in the league.  Once the BB/TB combination ducks out, they could be back to that.

    Football is NOT cyclical. Whatthefucck cycle explains the Patriots....Browns......................    Please, oh cement cranium, I am dying to hear this analysis. THe Steelers and Patriots both are teams with systems and philosophies in place. The Steelers indeed are not likely to just find a replacement for Ben.... HOWEVER................... they will NEVER go into the kind of "cycle" the Browns have been in since 1999. THere is nothing cyclical about this.

    The Steelers draft playmakers.................. The Browns purposely have refrained from drafting playmakers

    Steeler teams are vicious..........The Browns are passive, zone, prevent, pussy Zumba tackling queers.

    Steeler teams are disciplined...................... The Browns remain the most undisciplined team perhaps in the history of the NFL

    The Steelers are QB intense....BIG QBs................ The Browns think QBs should be homosexual sizes.

  • @the-gipper said:

    It will.  Dan Rooney....the real master of the Steeler dynasty is dead.  Ben R. is the one guy that keeps that franchise on top. Once he is gone, that team will have it downturn.  If you don't think things aren't cyclical, you have paid no attention to history.  Only very rarely do you get a Steve Young following up a Joe Montana. It has been 20 years since the end of the 49ers dynasty....and they have hardly recovered since. (maybe they will now...but it will have taken those 20 years.

    For the first 40 years of their existance the New England Patriots were one of the worst teams in the league.  Once the BB/TB combination ducks out, they could be back to that.

    Yes, and the majority of Steeler fans think the history of the NFL started in 1972, when the Squealers started their big run. Before that it was 27 losing seasons, 4 .500 records, and 8 winning seasons in almost 40 years, including one "perfect" 0-10.  But that was a long time ago according to them, can't possibly happen again. After all, we're the Mighty Steelers. A few bad drafts after Ben retires and Mason Rudolph doesn't pan out, back to mediocrity. We've already heard opinions here that a lot of Pittsburgh fans are less than thrilled with Tomlin.   

    They've had their Bubby Brister years since.  I always like to point out- as Investment Companies always do- "past performance is no guarantee of future results".  

    @hoorta said:

    Yes, and the majority of Steeler fans think the history of the NFL started in 1972, when the Squealers started their big run. Before that it was 27 losing seasons, 4 .500 records, and 8 winning seasons in almost 40 years, including one "perfect" 0-10.  But that was a long time ago according to them, can't possibly happen again. After all, we're the Mighty Steelers. A few bad drafts after Ben retires and Mason Rudolph doesn't pan out, back to mediocrity. We've already heard opinions here that a lot of Pittsburgh fans are less than thrilled with Tomlin.   

    They've had their Bubby Brister years since.  I always like to point out- as Investment Companies always do- "past performance is no guarantee of future results".  

    Bubby Brister was better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

  • @hoorta said:

    Yes, and the majority of Steeler fans think the history of the NFL started in 1972, when the Squealers started their big run. Before that it was 27 losing seasons, 4 .500 records, and 8 winning seasons in almost 40 years, including one "perfect" 0-10.  But that was a long time ago according to them, can't possibly happen again. After all, we're the Mighty Steelers. A few bad drafts after Ben retires and Mason Rudolph doesn't pan out, back to mediocrity. We've already heard opinions here that a lot of Pittsburgh fans are less than thrilled with Tomlin.   

    They've had their Bubby Brister years since.  I always like to point out- as Investment Companies always do- "past performance is no guarantee of future results".  

    Bubby Brister was better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

    @ghoolie said:

    Bubby Brister was better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

  • @the-gipper said:

    It will.  Dan Rooney....the real master of the Steeler dynasty is dead.  Ben R. is the one guy that keeps that franchise on top. Once he is gone, that team will have it downturn.  If you don't think things aren't cyclical, you have paid no attention to history.  Only very rarely do you get a Steve Young following up a Joe Montana. It has been 20 years since the end of the 49ers dynasty....and they have hardly recovered since. (maybe they will now...but it will have taken those 20 years.

    For the first 40 years of their existance the New England Patriots were one of the worst teams in the league.  Once the BB/TB combination ducks out, they could be back to that.

    Football is NOT cyclical. Whatthefucck cycle explains the Patriots....Browns......................    Please, oh cement cranium, I am dying to hear this analysis. THe Steelers and Patriots both are teams with systems and philosophies in place. The Steelers indeed are not likely to just find a replacement for Ben.... HOWEVER................... they will NEVER go into the kind of "cycle" the Browns have been in since 1999. THere is nothing cyclical about this.

    The Steelers draft playmakers.................. The Browns purposely have refrained from drafting playmakers

    Steeler teams are vicious..........The Browns are passive, zone, prevent, pussy Zumba tackling queers.

    Steeler teams are disciplined...................... The Browns remain the most undisciplined team perhaps in the history of the NFL

    The Steelers are QB intense....BIG QBs................ The Browns think QBs should be homosexual sizes.

    @ghoolie said:

    Football is NOT cyclical. Whatthefucck cycle explains the Patriots....Browns.

    Think back...to when you were a little boy...and the steelers stunk 'almost' as bad as we've been.  And the Browns were so good.

    My grandfather, the Pirates / Steelers fan......we'd go visit him and he'd say, "Oh Allen.  Your Browns beat us up bad again last week."  

    What goes around, comes around, if ya live long enough.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Football is NOT cyclical. Whatthefucck cycle explains the Patriots....Browns.

    Think back...to when you were a little boy...and the steelers stunk 'almost' as bad as we've been.  And the Browns were so good.

    My grandfather, the Pirates / Steelers fan......we'd go visit him and he'd say, "Oh Allen.  Your Browns beat us up bad again last week."  

    What goes around, comes around, if ya live long enough.

    @orion said:

    Think back...to when you were a little boy...and the steelers stunk 'almost' as bad as we've been.  And the Browns were so good.

    My grandfather, the Pirates / Steelers fan......we'd go visit him and he'd say, "Oh Allen.  Your Browns beat us up bad again last week."  

    What goes around, comes around, if ya live long enough.

    Almost all sports is cyclical, the time frames may vary a bit. The best teams ever had bad streaks, DAL, SF, NE, PIT, BAL (COLTS), NYG, GB.....duh, all of them.

  • @hoorta said:

    Yes, and the majority of Steeler fans think the history of the NFL started in 1972, when the Squealers started their big run. Before that it was 27 losing seasons, 4 .500 records, and 8 winning seasons in almost 40 years, including one "perfect" 0-10.  But that was a long time ago according to them, can't possibly happen again. After all, we're the Mighty Steelers. A few bad drafts after Ben retires and Mason Rudolph doesn't pan out, back to mediocrity. We've already heard opinions here that a lot of Pittsburgh fans are less than thrilled with Tomlin.   

    They've had their Bubby Brister years since.  I always like to point out- as Investment Companies always do- "past performance is no guarantee of future results".  

    Bubby Brister was better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

    @ghoolie said:

    Bubby Brister was better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

    That has nothing to do with Browns quarterbacks, and it doesn't change the fact the Steelers sucked worse than the Browns before 1972. I know your BS too well, when beaten, create a diversion, or try and change the subject. 

  • @ghoolie said:

    Bubby Brister was better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

    That has nothing to do with Browns quarterbacks, and it doesn't change the fact the Steelers sucked worse than the Browns before 1972. I know your BS too well, when beaten, create a diversion, or try and change the subject. 

    @hoorta said:

    That has nothing to do with Browns quarterbacks, and it doesn't change the fact the Steelers sucked worse than the Browns before 1972. I know your BS too well, when beaten, create a diversion, or try and change the subject. 

    The only way to beat a troll is to ignore a troll. 

    You are probably the most guilty of anyone of continually falling for Ghoolie's nonsense. Why does he rag on the Browns so hard? Because he knows he can get a reaction. Why did he all the sudden love what the Browns did this draft? Because he knew you guys would fall over yourself congratulating him for "seeing the light". Why did he do a complete 180 and think the Browns blew the draft? Because he knew you guys would be all "OH WHAT THE HELL!" The most hilarious thing about his nonsense is that some of you actually try to debate and reason with a guy WHOSE OPINIONS ARE BASED STRICTLY ON TRYING TO GET A REACTION FROM YOU. 

    You want to really stick it to a troll like Ghoolie? Don't respond to him. Every Ghoolie post that gets no reaction drives him nuts. Getting a reaction out of Browns fans is his life on here. Yes, it's pathetic, and needy... But it's his sad, sad life. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    It will.  Dan Rooney....the real master of the Steeler dynasty is dead.  Ben R. is the one guy that keeps that franchise on top. Once he is gone, that team will have it downturn.  If you don't think things aren't cyclical, you have paid no attention to history.  Only very rarely do you get a Steve Young following up a Joe Montana. It has been 20 years since the end of the 49ers dynasty....and they have hardly recovered since. (maybe they will now...but it will have taken those 20 years.

    For the first 40 years of their existance the New England Patriots were one of the worst teams in the league.  Once the BB/TB combination ducks out, they could be back to that.

    Football is NOT cyclical. Whatthefucck cycle explains the Patriots....Browns......................    Please, oh cement cranium, I am dying to hear this analysis. THe Steelers and Patriots both are teams with systems and philosophies in place. The Steelers indeed are not likely to just find a replacement for Ben.... HOWEVER................... they will NEVER go into the kind of "cycle" the Browns have been in since 1999. THere is nothing cyclical about this.

    The Steelers draft playmakers.................. The Browns purposely have refrained from drafting playmakers

    Steeler teams are vicious..........The Browns are passive, zone, prevent, pussy Zumba tackling queers.

    Steeler teams are disciplined...................... The Browns remain the most undisciplined team perhaps in the history of the NFL

    The Steelers are QB intense....BIG QBs................ The Browns think QBs should be homosexual sizes.

    @ghoolie said:

    Football is NOT cyclical. Whatthefucck cycle explains the Patriots....Browns......................    Please, oh cement cranium, I am dying to hear this analysis. THe Steelers and Patriots both are teams with systems and philosophies in place. The Steelers indeed are not likely to just find a replacement for Ben.... HOWEVER................... they will NEVER go into the kind of "cycle" the Browns have been in since 1999. THere is nothing cyclical about this.

    The Steelers draft playmakers.................. The Browns purposely have refrained from drafting playmakers

    Steeler teams are vicious..........The Browns are passive, zone, prevent, pussy Zumba tackling queers.

    Steeler teams are disciplined...................... The Browns remain the most undisciplined team perhaps in the history of the NFL

    The Steelers are QB intense....BIG QBs................ The Browns think QBs should be homosexual sizes.

    Football is cyclical because talent is cyclical.  Because Great coaches,  players...and talent evaluators  come and go.  

    If football is not cyclical, then the Browns would have always been the team that appeared in  10 consecutive Championship games.  

    They would have always been the team that between 1946 and 1973 had 26 winning seasons, one losing season, and 1 .500 season.

    And the Steelers were the losingest team in football for a 40 year period.

    So:  Paul Brown died.   Dan Rooney died.  Bill Walsh died.  Vince Lombardi died.

    Otto Graham retired.   BB will retire,  Brady will retire. Ben R. will retire.  New people take over.

    The new "vicious" team in the AFC anyway may be the Jacksonville Jaguars.  The Steelers defense now is a bunch of Merengue dancers.

    The Montreal Canadiennes may be the greatest dynasty in North American sports history.    They have been one of the worst teams in their league the last few years.

    Only someone as ignorant as a Goat would not understand this.   Or, rather, should I say, only someone as ignorant as a Steeler fan....most of whom do not have the brains of goats.

  • @hoorta said:

    Yes, and the majority of Steeler fans think the history of the NFL started in 1972, when the Squealers started their big run. Before that it was 27 losing seasons, 4 .500 records, and 8 winning seasons in almost 40 years, including one "perfect" 0-10.  But that was a long time ago according to them, can't possibly happen again. After all, we're the Mighty Steelers. A few bad drafts after Ben retires and Mason Rudolph doesn't pan out, back to mediocrity. We've already heard opinions here that a lot of Pittsburgh fans are less than thrilled with Tomlin.   

    They've had their Bubby Brister years since.  I always like to point out- as Investment Companies always do- "past performance is no guarantee of future results".  

    Bubby Brister was better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

    @ghoolie said:

    Bubby Brister was better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

    Maybe, But now we have 3 new QBs on the Browns roster:   Taylor, Stanton, Mayfield.   ALL of them may be better than Bubby ever was.

  • @hoorta said:

    That has nothing to do with Browns quarterbacks, and it doesn't change the fact the Steelers sucked worse than the Browns before 1972. I know your BS too well, when beaten, create a diversion, or try and change the subject. 

    The only way to beat a troll is to ignore a troll. 

    You are probably the most guilty of anyone of continually falling for Ghoolie's nonsense. Why does he rag on the Browns so hard? Because he knows he can get a reaction. Why did he all the sudden love what the Browns did this draft? Because he knew you guys would fall over yourself congratulating him for "seeing the light". Why did he do a complete 180 and think the Browns blew the draft? Because he knew you guys would be all "OH WHAT THE HELL!" The most hilarious thing about his nonsense is that some of you actually try to debate and reason with a guy WHOSE OPINIONS ARE BASED STRICTLY ON TRYING TO GET A REACTION FROM YOU. 

    You want to really stick it to a troll like Ghoolie? Don't respond to him. Every Ghoolie post that gets no reaction drives him nuts. Getting a reaction out of Browns fans is his life on here. Yes, it's pathetic, and needy... But it's his sad, sad life. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    The only way to beat a troll is to ignore a troll. 

    You are probably the most guilty of anyone of continually falling for Ghoolie's nonsense. Why does he rag on the Browns so hard? Because he knows he can get a reaction. Why did he all the sudden love what the Browns did this draft? Because he knew you guys would fall over yourself congratulating him for "seeing the light". Why did he do a complete 180 and think the Browns blew the draft? Because he knew you guys would be all "OH WHAT THE HELL!" The most hilarious thing about his nonsense is that some of you actually try to debate and reason with a guy WHOSE OPINIONS ARE BASED STRICTLY ON TRYING TO GET A REACTION FROM YOU. 

    You want to really stick it to a troll like Ghoolie? Don't respond to him. Every Ghoolie post that gets no reaction drives him nuts. Getting a reaction out of Browns fans is his life on here. Yes, it's pathetic, and needy... But it's his sad, sad life. 

    So, your non- response response to him is just as likely to get a response from him as if you had responded directly to him.  So, why don't you just respond to him instead of trying to use surrogates to do so.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Bubby Brister was better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

    Maybe, But now we have 3 new QBs on the Browns roster:   Taylor, Stanton, Mayfield.   ALL of them may be better than Bubby ever was.

    @the-gipper said:

    Maybe, But now we have 3 new QBs on the Browns roster:   Taylor, Stanton, Mayfield.   ALL of them may be better than Bubby ever was.

    OK so someone started digging up this manure pile let's see what the facts show on teams primarily better than the BROWNS in the same period :

    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
    Career       99 75 37-38-0 1207 2212 54.6 14445 81 3.7 78 3.5 90 6.5 5.7 12.0 145.9 72.3 193 1625 5.33 4.54 8.0 9 11 44
    7 yrs PIT     61 57 28-29-0 776 1477 52.5 10104 51 3.5 57 3.9 90 6.8 5.8 13.0 165.6 69.8 145 1261 5.45 4.50 8.9 6 8 36
    3 yrs DEN     10 4 4-0-0 96 160 60.0 1121 10 6.3 6 3.8 48 7.0 6.6 11.7 112.1 86.5 7 49 6.42 6.00 4.2     5
    2 yrs PHI     17 10 4-6-0 232 385 60.3 2412 16 4.2 6 1.6 58 6.3 6.4 10.4 141.9 85.8 24 187 5.44 5.56 5.9 2 2 7
    1 yr MIN     2 0   10 20 50.0 82 0 0.0 1 5.0 20 4.1 1.9 8.2 41.0 40.0 1 6 3.62 1.48 4.8     0
    1 yr NYJ     9 4 1-3-0 93 170 54.7 726 4 2.4 8 4.7 32 4.3 2.6 7.8 80.7 53.7 16 122 3.25 1.74 8.6 1 1 -4
    1986 24 PIT qb 6 2 2 0-2-0 21 60 35.0 291 0 0.0 2 3.3 58 4.9 3.4 13.9 145.5 37.6 6 57 3.55 2.18 9.1     1
    1987 25 PIT   6 2 0   4 12 33.3 20 0 0.0 3 25.0 10 1.7 -9.6 5.0 10.0 2.8 2 14 0.43 -9.21 14.3     0
    1988 26 PIT QB 6 13 13 4-9-0 175 370 47.3 2634 11 3.0 14 3.8 89 7.1 6.0 15.1 202.6 65.3 36 292 5.77 4.76 8.9 1 1 10
    1989 27 PIT QB 6 14 14 8-6-0 187 342 54.7 2365 9 2.6 10 2.9 79 6.9 6.1 12.6 168.9 73.1 45 452 4.94 4.25 11.6 1 1 8
    1990 28 PIT QB 6 16 16 9-7-0 223 387 57.6 2725 20 5.2 14 3.6 90 7.0 6.4 12.2 170.3 81.6 28 213 6.05 5.50 6.7 2 2 10
    1991 29 PIT qb 6 8 8 5-3-0 103 190 54.2 1350 9 4.7 9 4.7 65 7.1 5.9 13.1 168.8 72.9 15 145 5.88 4.78 7.3 0 2 4
    1992 30 PIT qb 6 6 4 2-2-0 63 116 54.3 719 2 1.7 5 4.3 42 6.2 4.6 11.4 119.8 61.0 13 88 4.89 3.46 10.1 2 2 3
    1993 31 PHI QB 6 10 8 4-4-0 181 309 58.6 1905 14 4.5 5 1.6 58 6.2 6.3 10.5 190.5 84.9 19 148 5.36 5.52 5.8 2 2 6
    1994 32 PHI qb 6 7 2 0-2-0 51 76 67.1 507 2 2.6 1 1.3 53 6.7 6.6 9.9 72.4 89.1 5 39 5.78 5.72 6.2     1
    1995 33 NYJ qb 6 9 4 1-3-0 93 170 54.7 726 4 2.4 8 4.7 32 4.3 2.6 7.8 80.7 53.7 16 122 3.25 1.74 8.6 1 1 -4
    1997 35 DEN   6 1 0   6 9 66.7 48 0 0.0 0 0.0 15 5.3 5.3 8.0 48.0 79.9 0 0 5.33 5.33 0.0     0
    1998 36 DEN qb 6 7 4 4-0-0 78 131 59.5 986 10 7.6 3 2.3 48 7.5 8.0 12.6 140.9 99.0 7 49 6.79 7.26 5.1     5
    1999 37 DEN   6 2 0   12 20 60.0 87 0 0.0 3 15.0 11 4.4 -2.4 7.3 43.5 30.6 0 0 4.35 -2.40 0.0     0
    2000 38 MIN   6 2 0   10 20 50.0 82 0 0.0 1 5.0 20 4.1 1.9 8.2 41.0 40.0 1 6 3.62 1.48 4.8     0

    Steelrz during the "Brister Era", conclusion......eh. Nothing really to brag about. 

    oster / Stats
    1992 11-5-0 1st -- AFC Central 0-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Bill Cowher Roster / Stats.........28-29, eh, playoffs 1-1 won a WC game for pit, eh.
    1991 7-9-0 2nd -- AFC Central -- Chuck Noll Roster / Stats
    1990 9-7-0 3rd -- AFC Central -- Chuck Noll Roster / Stats
    1989 9-7-0 T2nd -- AFC Central 1-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Chuck Noll Roster / Stats
    1988 5-11-0 4th -- AFC Central -- Chuck Noll Roster / Stats
    1987 8-7-0 3rd -- AFC Central -- Chuck Noll Roster / Stats
    1986 6-10-0 3rd -- AFC Central -- Chuck Noll Roster / Stats
  • And here are Tyrod's numbers:

    Passing

     
     
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
    Career       58 43 22-20-0 793 1271 62.4 9056 51 4.0 18 1.4 84 7.1 7.3 11.4 156.1 91.2   129 693 5.97 6.12 9.2 3 5 41
    4 yrs BAL     14 0   19 35 54.3 199 0 0.0 2 5.7 25 5.7 3.1 10.5 14.2 47.2   5 33 4.15 1.90 12.5     1
    3 yrs BUF     44 43 22-20-0 774 1236 62.6 8857 51 4.1 16 1.3 84 7.2 7.4 11.4 201.3 92.5   124 660 6.03 6.25 9.1 3 5 40
    2011 22 BAL   2 3 0   1 1 100.0 18 0 0.0 0 0.0 18 18.0 18.0 18.0 6.0 118.7 13.9 2 3 5.00 5.00 66.7     0
    2012 23 BAL   2 7 0   17 29 58.6 179 0 0.0 1 3.4 25 6.2 4.6 10.5 25.6 62.3 52.3 3 30 4.66 3.25 9.4     1
    2013 24 BAL   2 3 0   1 5 20.0 2 0 0.0 1 20.0 2 0.4 -8.6 2.0 0.7 0.0 74.8 0 0 0.40 -8.60 0.0     0
    2014 25 BAL   2 1 0   0 0   0 0   0   0       0.0   1.7 0 0           0
    2015* 26 BUF QB/wr 5 14 14 7-6-0 242 380 63.7 3035 20 5.3 6 1.6 63 8.0 8.3 12.5 216.8 99.4 65.3 36 212 6.79 7.10 8.7 1 2 13
    2016 27 BUF QB 5 15 15 7-8-0 269 436 61.7 3023 17 3.9 6 1.4 84 6.9 7.1 11.2 201.5 89.7 61.4 42 192 5.92 6.07 8.8 1 1 15
    2017 28 BUF QB 5 15 14 8-6-0 263 420 62.6 2799 14 3.3 4 1.0 47 6.7 6.9 10.6 186.6 89.2 56.4 46 256 5.46 5.67 9.9 1 2 12
  • Bubby Boy was 28-29 as a starter for the Steelers

    TT was 22-20 as a starter for the Bills.

    Bubby gave way to a younger player, Neil O'Donnell who led the Steelers to a Super Bowl.

    TT may give way to a younger player....Baker Mayfield, who may one day lead the Browns to the Super Bowl?

  • Bubby Boy was 28-29 as a starter for the Steelers

    TT was 22-20 as a starter for the Bills.

    Bubby gave way to a younger player, Neil O'Donnell who led the Steelers to a Super Bowl.

    TT may give way to a younger player....Baker Mayfield, who may one day lead the Browns to the Super Bowl?

    @the-gipper said:

    Bubby Boy was 28-29 as a starter for the Steelers

    TT was 22-20 as a starter for the Bills.

    Bubby gave way to a younger player, Neil O'Donnell who led the Steelers to a Super Bowl.

    TT may give way to a younger player....Baker Mayfield, who may one day lead the Browns to the Super Bowl?

    "Some" people just get confused with facts, numbers, logic. 😆

  • @the-gipper said:

    Bubby Boy was 28-29 as a starter for the Steelers

    TT was 22-20 as a starter for the Bills.

    Bubby gave way to a younger player, Neil O'Donnell who led the Steelers to a Super Bowl.

    TT may give way to a younger player....Baker Mayfield, who may one day lead the Browns to the Super Bowl?

    "Some" people just get confused with facts, numbers, logic. 😆

    @mjp28 said:

    "Some" people just get confused with facts, numbers, logic. 😆

    Just trying to make things symmetrical!  😉

  • @dutch-oven said:

    The only way to beat a troll is to ignore a troll. 

    You are probably the most guilty of anyone of continually falling for Ghoolie's nonsense. Why does he rag on the Browns so hard? Because he knows he can get a reaction. Why did he all the sudden love what the Browns did this draft? Because he knew you guys would fall over yourself congratulating him for "seeing the light". Why did he do a complete 180 and think the Browns blew the draft? Because he knew you guys would be all "OH WHAT THE HELL!" The most hilarious thing about his nonsense is that some of you actually try to debate and reason with a guy WHOSE OPINIONS ARE BASED STRICTLY ON TRYING TO GET A REACTION FROM YOU. 

    You want to really stick it to a troll like Ghoolie? Don't respond to him. Every Ghoolie post that gets no reaction drives him nuts. Getting a reaction out of Browns fans is his life on here. Yes, it's pathetic, and needy... But it's his sad, sad life. 

    So, your non- response response to him is just as likely to get a response from him as if you had responded directly to him.  So, why don't you just respond to him instead of trying to use surrogates to do so.

    @the-gipper said:

    So, your non- response response to him is just as likely to get a response from him as if you had responded directly to him.  So, why don't you just respond to him instead of trying to use surrogates to do so.

    You actually fall for his crap and waste your time debating a troll. 

    I call him out for being a troll. 

    If you can't see the difference, I can't help you. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    So, your non- response response to him is just as likely to get a response from him as if you had responded directly to him.  So, why don't you just respond to him instead of trying to use surrogates to do so.

    You actually fall for his crap and waste your time debating a troll. 

    I call him out for being a troll. 

    If you can't see the difference, I can't help you. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    You actually fall for his crap and waste your time debating a troll. 

    I call him out for being a troll. 

    If you can't see the difference, I can't help you. 

    I can certainly see what he is.  I just don't mind it and take it as much to heart as you do. I have been engaging with Ghoolie on these boards since the old AOL days.

    I give him shite, he gives me shite.  I call him a FRAK,  but I know that his flirtations with other teams is simply out of frustration for the way the Browns have been.  I would never have those flirtations, but that is just the way he rolls.  It is my team, and fuyuck all the others.  I know that he sees the quality that other teams some times play with, and he is envious of those qualities, and that is why he sometimes wants to glom on to those qualities.  He is just waiting....like all the rest of us, until the day that this Browns team becomes dominant again.  And I do not think for a moment that he will then have flirtations with other teams. 

  • @mjp28 said:

    "Some" people just get confused with facts, numbers, logic. 😆

    Just trying to make things symmetrical!  😉

    @the-gipper said:

    Just trying to make things symmetrical!  😉

    One of those super organizational neat freaks, I can understand that.