Steelers writer Ed Bouchette
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Absolutely insane. He's one of the best coaches in the league and I'd say the same if he were the head coach of the Browns. The "fire Tomlin" narrative is reserved for the ignorant and frankly the racist.
Vagitron and I finally agree on something. Somewhere in hell, Art Modell just got frozen over.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Vagitron and I finally agree on something. Somewhere in hell, Art Modell just got frozen over.
Zombo
Only the stupidity of Boo Fagley could make that happen!!
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Absolutely insane. He's one of the best coaches in the league and I'd say the same if he were the head coach of the Browns. The "fire Tomlin" narrative is reserved for the ignorant and frankly the racist.
I don't assign Fagley's opinion as being racist...not sure where you get that. Ignorant, yes, but I would not go so far as to say racist.
I mean, he thinks that BR should have been in and won more Super Bowls. And of course, he should not have. They have simply gotten beaten by better teams, better QBs. As good as BR may be, he is not as good as Brady or Peyton..who between them had 10 trips to the SB in BRs time with the Steelers. And, yes, Tomlin is a good solid coach (not sure about one of the best..but very good)....but just about anyone would agree that he is not better than Belichick...or maybe even Tony Dungy. It is certainly no slight to him that he...and BR, have been beaten most times by better QBs, better coaches, better teams.
I don't assign Fagley's opinion as being racist...not sure where you get that. Ignorant, yes, but I would not go so far as to say racist.
I mean, he thinks that BR should have been in and won more Super Bowls. And of course, he should not have. They have simply gotten beaten by better teams, better QBs. As good as BR may be, he is not as good as Brady or Peyton..who between them had 10 trips to the SB in BRs time with the Steelers. And, yes, Tomlin is a good solid coach (not sure about one of the best..but very good)....but just about anyone would agree that he is not better than Belichick...or maybe even Tony Dungy. It is certainly no slight to him that he...and BR, have been beaten most times by better QBs, better coaches, better teams.
People in Pittsburgh on the fire Tomlin train are racist. Faggle is just stupid.
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Absolutely insane. He's one of the best coaches in the league and I'd say the same if he were the head coach of the Browns. The "fire Tomlin" narrative is reserved for the ignorant and frankly the racist.
I don't assign Fagley's opinion as being racist...not sure where you get that. Ignorant, yes, but I would not go so far as to say racist.
I mean, he thinks that BR should have been in and won more Super Bowls. And of course, he should not have. They have simply gotten beaten by better teams, better QBs. As good as BR may be, he is not as good as Brady or Peyton..who between them had 10 trips to the SB in BRs time with the Steelers. And, yes, Tomlin is a good solid coach (not sure about one of the best..but very good)....but just about anyone would agree that he is not better than Belichick...or maybe even Tony Dungy. It is certainly no slight to him that he...and BR, have been beaten most times by better QBs, better coaches, better teams.
I don't assign Fagley's opinion as being racist...not sure where you get that. Ignorant, yes, but I would not go so far as to say racist.
I mean, he thinks that BR should have been in and won more Super Bowls. And of course, he should not have. They have simply gotten beaten by better teams, better QBs. As good as BR may be, he is not as good as Brady or Peyton..who between them had 10 trips to the SB in BRs time with the Steelers. And, yes, Tomlin is a good solid coach (not sure about one of the best..but very good)....but just about anyone would agree that he is not better than Belichick...or maybe even Tony Dungy. It is certainly no slight to him that he...and BR, have been beaten most times by better QBs, better coaches, better teams.
Matter of opinion. The Steelers also shouldn't have lost the bowl against gb. Arians telegraphed run plays, Matthew's was on it and blew up Mendenhall. Game over basically.
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Absolutely insane. He's one of the best coaches in the league and I'd say the same if he were the head coach of the Browns. The "fire Tomlin" narrative is reserved for the ignorant and frankly the racist.
Vagitron and I finally agree on something. Somewhere in hell, Art Modell just got frozen over.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Vagitron and I finally agree on something. Somewhere in hell, Art Modell just got frozen over.
Zombo
Ha!
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I don't assign Fagley's opinion as being racist...not sure where you get that. Ignorant, yes, but I would not go so far as to say racist.
I mean, he thinks that BR should have been in and won more Super Bowls. And of course, he should not have. They have simply gotten beaten by better teams, better QBs. As good as BR may be, he is not as good as Brady or Peyton..who between them had 10 trips to the SB in BRs time with the Steelers. And, yes, Tomlin is a good solid coach (not sure about one of the best..but very good)....but just about anyone would agree that he is not better than Belichick...or maybe even Tony Dungy. It is certainly no slight to him that he...and BR, have been beaten most times by better QBs, better coaches, better teams.
People in Pittsburgh on the fire Tomlin train are racist. Faggle is just stupid.
People in Pittsburgh on the fire Tomlin train are racist. Faggle is just stupid.
Really? I have not heard that.....but then, it is Pittsburgh, so I should not be surprised.
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I don't assign Fagley's opinion as being racist...not sure where you get that. Ignorant, yes, but I would not go so far as to say racist.
I mean, he thinks that BR should have been in and won more Super Bowls. And of course, he should not have. They have simply gotten beaten by better teams, better QBs. As good as BR may be, he is not as good as Brady or Peyton..who between them had 10 trips to the SB in BRs time with the Steelers. And, yes, Tomlin is a good solid coach (not sure about one of the best..but very good)....but just about anyone would agree that he is not better than Belichick...or maybe even Tony Dungy. It is certainly no slight to him that he...and BR, have been beaten most times by better QBs, better coaches, better teams.
Matter of opinion. The Steelers also shouldn't have lost the bowl against gb. Arians telegraphed run plays, Matthew's was on it and blew up Mendenhall. Game over basically.
Matter of opinion. The Steelers also shouldn't have lost the bowl against gb. Arians telegraphed run plays, Matthew's was on it and blew up Mendenhall. Game over basically.
No, not a matter of opinion. Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better. That's a fact.
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No, not a matter of opinion. Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better. That's a fact.
Rodgers has carried the Packers offense for awhile now.....one of my FL QBs until he got hurt last year. (backed up by Wentz until he got hurt but Rodgers came back that week.....how the NFL works)
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No, not a matter of opinion. Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better. That's a fact.
Oh ya? According to you? Sounds like an opinion to me gipper. Christ.
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Really? I have not heard that.....but then, it is Pittsburgh, so I should not be surprised.
Gipper it doesn't need to be a constant Cleveland vs pittsburgh thing. Cleveland has plenty of racist bs too. Unfortunately there are pockets of Pittsburgh that are very racially charged especially as you head out of the city and into the more rural non pittsburgh areas.
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No, not a matter of opinion. Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better. That's a fact.
Just because a team has the better qb doesn't mean they're going to win a playoff game. Who was the better qb, Joe Montana or Phil Simms? Just so happened the Giants had a defensive wrecking crew led by Lawrence Taylor.
PS one of Eli's Super Bowl wins was thanks to one of the biggest miracle catches in the history of the NFL.
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No, not a matter of opinion. Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better. That's a fact.
Oh ya? According to you? Sounds like an opinion to me gipper. Christ.
Oh ya? According to you? Sounds like an opinion to me gipper. Christ.
Well....maybe....but it is an opinion shared by 99.9% of humanity that Rodgers is better.
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Really? I have not heard that.....but then, it is Pittsburgh, so I should not be surprised.
Gipper it doesn't need to be a constant Cleveland vs pittsburgh thing. Cleveland has plenty of racist bs too. Unfortunately there are pockets of Pittsburgh that are very racially charged especially as you head out of the city and into the more rural non pittsburgh areas.
Gipper it doesn't need to be a constant Cleveland vs pittsburgh thing. Cleveland has plenty of racist bs too. Unfortunately there are pockets of Pittsburgh that are very racially charged especially as you head out of the city and into the more rural non pittsburgh areas.
Well...given what has been going on....I agree that the racists have been emboldened...wherever they may be.
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No, not a matter of opinion. Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better. That's a fact.
Just because a team has the better qb doesn't mean they're going to win a playoff game. Who was the better qb, Joe Montana or Phil Simms? Just so happened the Giants had a defensive wrecking crew led by Lawrence Taylor.
PS one of Eli's Super Bowl wins was thanks to one of the biggest miracle catches in the history of the NFL.
Just because a team has the better qb doesn't mean they're going to win a playoff game. Who was the better qb, Joe Montana or Phil Simms? Just so happened the Giants had a defensive wrecking crew led by Lawrence Taylor.
PS one of Eli's Super Bowl wins was thanks to one of the biggest miracle catches in the history of the NFL.
Absolutely. Having the best QB does not guarantee a thing. See those two Giants games you mention.....see just this past Super Bowl.
And face it...BR won a Super Bowl when he was NOT the best QB. The Seattle game....based on outstanding defense, and not QB play. BR played worse than any winning QB in SB history. And arguably you could say that Kurt Warner, whose team BR pulled one out against, is as good or better than BR.
And it could certainly be argued that the 70s Steeler dynasty won Super Bowls where the other team had the better QB. Despite what Ghoolie thinks, both Roger Staubach and Fran Tarkenton by no means take a back seat to Bradshaw. (but then for his 4th win, he faced Vince Ferragamo....so there is that).
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Super Bowl DateStarting Quarterback/Team College Date of Birth Age I 1/15/67BART STARR, Green Bay Packers Alabama 1/9/34 33 LEN DAWSON, Kansas City Chiefs Purdue 6/20/35 31 II 1/14/68BART STARR, Green Bay Packers Alabama 1/9/34 34 Daryle Lamonica, Oakland Raiders Notre Dame 7/17/41 26 III 1/12/69JOE NAMATH, New York Jets Alabama 5/31/43 25 Earl Morrall, Baltimore Colts Michigan State 5/17/34 34 IV 1/11/70LEN DAWSON, Kansas City Chiefs Purdue 6/20/35 34 Joe Kapp, Minnesota Vikings California 3/19/38 31 V 1/17/71JOHNNY UNITAS, Baltimore Colts Louisville 5/7/33 37 Craig Morton, Dallas Cowboys California 2/5/43 27 VI 1/16/72ROGER STAUBACH, Dallas Cowboys Navy 2/5/42 29 BOB GRIESE, Miami Dolphins Purdue 2/3/45 26 VII 1/14/73BOB GRIESE, Miami Dolphins Purdue 2/3/45 27 Bill Kilmer, Washington Redskins UCLA 9/5/39 33 VIII 1/13/74BOB GRIESE, Miami Dolphins Purdue 2/3/45 28 FRAN TARKENTON, Minnesota Vikings Georgia 2/3/40 33 IX 1/12/75TERRY BRADSHAW, Pittsburgh Steelers Louisiana Tech 9/2/48 26 FRAN TARKENTON, Minnesota Vikings Georgia 2/3/40 34 X 1/18/76TERRY BRADSHAW, Pittsburgh Steelers Louisiana Tech 9/2/48 27 ROGER STAUBACH, Dallas Cowboys Navy 2/5/42 33 XI 1/9/77KEN STABLER, Oakland Raiders Alabama 12/25/45 31 FRAN TARKENTON, Minnesota Vikings Georgia 2/3/40 36 XII 1/15/78ROGER STAUBACH, Dallas Cowboys Navy 2/5/42 35 Craig Morton, Denver Broncos California 2/5/43 34 XIII 1/21/79TERRY BRADSHAW, Pittsburgh Steelers Louisiana Tech 9/2/48 30 ROGER STAUBACH, Dallas Cowboys Navy 2/5/42 36 XIV 1/20/80TERRY BRADSHAW, Pittsburgh Steelers Louisiana Tech 9/2/48 31 Vince Ferragamo, Los Angeles Rams California, Nebraska 4/24/54 25 XV 1/25/81Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders Stanford 12/5/47 33 Ron Jaworski, Philadelphia Eagles Youngstown State 3/23/51 29 XVI 1/24/82JOE MONTANA, San Francisco 49ers Notre Dame 6/11/56 25 Ken Anderson, Cincinnati Bengals Augustana (IL) 2/15/49 32 XVII 1/30/83Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins Notre Dame 9/9/49 33 David Woodley, Miami Dolphins Louisiana State 10/25/58 24 XVIII 1/22/84Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders Stanford 12/5/47 36 Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins Notre Dame 9/9/49 34 XIX 1/20/85JOE MONTANA, San Francisco 49ers Notre Dame 6/11/56 28 DAN MARINO, Miami Dolphins Pittsburgh 9/15/61 23 XX 1/26/86Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears BYU 8/21/59 26 Tony Eason, New England Patriots Illinois 10/8/59 26 XXI 1/25/87Phil Simms, New York Giants Morehead State 11/3/54 32 JOHN ELWAY, Denver Broncos Stanford 6/28/60 26 XXII 1/31/88Doug Williams, Washington Redskins Grambling 8/9/55 32 JOHN ELWAY, Denver Broncos Stanford 6/28/60 27 XXIII 1/22/89JOE MONTANA, San Francisco 49ers Notre Dame 6/11/56 32 Boomer Esiason, Cincinnati Bengals Maryland 4/17/61 27 XXIV 1/28/90JOE MONTANA, San Francisco 49ers Notre Dame 6/11/56 33 JOHN ELWAY, Denver Broncos Stanford 6/28/60 29 XXV 1/27/91Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants West Virginia 4/22/61 29 JIM KELLY, Buffalo Bills Miami (FL) 2/14/60 30 XXVI 1/26/92Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins Washington State 10/2/62 30 JIM KELLY, Buffalo Bills Miami (FL) 2/14/60 31 XXVII 1/31/93TROY AIKMAN, Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma, UCLA 11/21/66 26 JIM KELLY, Buffalo Bills Miami (FL) 2/14/60 32 XXVIII 1/30/94TROY AIKMAN, Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma, UCLA 11/21/66 27 JIM KELLY, Buffalo Bills Miami (FL) 2/14/60 33 XXIX 1/29/95STEVE YOUNG, San Francisco 49ers BYU 10/11/61 33 Stan Humphries, San Diego ChargersNE Louisiana 4/14/65 29 XXX 1/28/96TROY AIKMAN, Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma, UCLA 11/21/66 29 Neil O'Donnell, Pittsburgh Steelers Maryland 7/3/66 29 XXXI 1/26/97BRETT FAVRE, Green Bay Packers Southern Mississippi 10/10/69 27 Drew Bledsoe, New England Patriots Washington State 2/14/72 24 XXXII 1/25/98JOHN ELWAY, Denver Broncos Stanford 6/28/60 37 BRETT FAVRE, Green Bay Packers Southern Mississippi 10/10/69 28 XXXIII 1/31/99JOHN ELWAY, Denver Broncos Stanford 6/28/60 38 Chris Chandler, Atlanta Falcons Washington 10/12/65 33 XXXIV 1/30/00KURT WARNER, St. Louis Rams Northern Iowa 6/22/71 28 Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans Alcorn State 2/14/73 26 XXXV 1/28/01Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens Fresno State 3/13/72 28 Kerry Collins, New York Giants Penn State 12/30/72 28 XXXVI 2/3/02Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 24 KURT WARNER, St. Louis Rams Northern Iowa 6/22/71 30 XXXVII 1/26/03Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Florida State 9/13/68 34 Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders Delaware 12/20/65 37 XXXVIII 2/1/04Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 26 Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers Louisiana-Lafayette 1/10/75 29 XXXIX 2/6/05Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 27 Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia Eagles Syracuse 11/25/76 28 XL 2/5/06Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers Miami (OH) 3/2/82 23 Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle Seahawks Boston College 9/25/75 30 XLI 2/4/07Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts Tennessee 3/24/76 30 Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears Florida 8/23/80 26 XLII 2/3/08Eli Manning, New York Giants Mississippi 1/3/81 27 Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 30 XLIII 2/1/09Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers Miami (OH) 3/2/82 26 KURT WARNER, Arizona Cardinals Northern Iowa 6/22/71 37 XLIV 2/7/10Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints Purdue 1/15/79 31 Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts Tennessee 3/24/76 33 XLV 2/6/11Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers California 12/2/83 27 Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers Miami (OH) 3/2/82 28 XLVI 2/5/12Eli Manning, New York Giants Mississippi 1/3/81 31 Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 34 XLVII 2/3/13Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens Delaware 1/16/85 28 Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco 49ers Nevada 11/3/87 25 XLVIII 2/2/14Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks NC State, Wisconsin 11/29/88 25 Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos Tennessee 3/24/76 37 XLIX 2/1/15Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 37 Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks NC State, Wisconsin 11/29/88 26 50 2/7/16Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos Tennessee 3/24/76 39 Cam Newton, Carolina Panthers Auburn 5/11/89 26 LI 2/5/17 Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 39 Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons Boston College 5/17/85 31 LII 2/4/18 Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 40 Nick Foles, Philadelphia Eagles Arizona 1/20/89 29 And see all this: I will have put in red those games won by what I consider to NOT be the best QB. If it is at all close I left it alone.
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Well....maybe....but it is an opinion shared by 99.9% of humanity that Rodgers is better.
It's not a massive gap, it's sure as Sheet not much of a talking point. They are both pretty firmly top 5 unless your name is David Carr. Frankly Ben is underrated and if I had to start a franchise tomorrow about the only qb I'd consider taking over Ben is Rodgers. Marsha is a product of that system. He would be a good qb outside of new England but wouldn't have nearly the amount of success he's had. Either way none of it begins to matter, the season quickly approaches and that's all that matters.
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Well....maybe....but it is an opinion shared by 99.9% of humanity that Rodgers is better.
It's not a massive gap, it's sure as Sheet not much of a talking point. They are both pretty firmly top 5 unless your name is David Carr. Frankly Ben is underrated and if I had to start a franchise tomorrow about the only qb I'd consider taking over Ben is Rodgers. Marsha is a product of that system. He would be a good qb outside of new England but wouldn't have nearly the amount of success he's had. Either way none of it begins to matter, the season quickly approaches and that's all that matters.
It's not a massive gap, it's sure as Sheet not much of a talking point. They are both pretty firmly top 5 unless your name is David Carr. Frankly Ben is underrated and if I had to start a franchise tomorrow about the only qb I'd consider taking over Ben is Rodgers. Marsha is a product of that system. He would be a good qb outside of new England but wouldn't have nearly the amount of success he's had. Either way none of it begins to matter, the season quickly approaches and that's all that matters.
Any credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom BradyAny credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom
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It's not a massive gap, it's sure as Sheet not much of a talking point. They are both pretty firmly top 5 unless your name is David Carr. Frankly Ben is underrated and if I had to start a franchise tomorrow about the only qb I'd consider taking over Ben is Rodgers. Marsha is a product of that system. He would be a good qb outside of new England but wouldn't have nearly the amount of success he's had. Either way none of it begins to matter, the season quickly approaches and that's all that matters.
Any credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom BradyAny credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom
Any credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom BradyAny credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom
Is that right? Why do you think they traded Jimmy? Brady isn't going to be playing much longer. Matt Cassell wasn't a very good qb, he went 11-5. The pats are 13-6 without Brady. Brady is no doubt good but when he's gone they will plug in another qb and continue to win. The pats are bill.
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I don't assign Fagley's opinion as being racist...not sure where you get that. Ignorant, yes, but I would not go so far as to say racist.
I mean, he thinks that BR should have been in and won more Super Bowls. And of course, he should not have. They have simply gotten beaten by better teams, better QBs. As good as BR may be, he is not as good as Brady or Peyton..who between them had 10 trips to the SB in BRs time with the Steelers. And, yes, Tomlin is a good solid coach (not sure about one of the best..but very good)....but just about anyone would agree that he is not better than Belichick...or maybe even Tony Dungy. It is certainly no slight to him that he...and BR, have been beaten most times by better QBs, better coaches, better teams.
People in Pittsburgh on the fire Tomlin train are racist. Faggle is just stupid.
People in Pittsburgh on the fire Tomlin train are racist. Faggle is just stupid.
you're a fvcking idiot snowflake that turns everything into race.
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you're a fvcking idiot snowflake that turns everything into race.
I grew up in Pittsburgh dipshit. It has very racist pockets.
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Ed is an idiot. I'm not making game predictions but he's not exactly well liked in Pittsburgh. He's like mark madden lite and madden is a WWE type character.
I do think the Browns have improved quite a bit, especially with FINALLY giving a rookie qb the chance to develop without being forced into the lineup to save the farm. Tyrod is underrated and Mayfield can sit back and learn and not get ruined.
Edit: so..e of the comments in here are hilariously ridiculous. Brown losing a step? Wear and tear? Look up the little snippet from a former steeler Josh Harris who was a top shelf track athlete. He said Antonio brown has gotten faster this offseason. Dig up some peer opinions on brown. He was drafted late, he out works EVERYBODY.
NFL peers rated him number two behind Marsha "system qb" Brady. Sure he's lost a step alright lol.
What is your opinion of Fagley's position that Tomlin should be fired?
What is your opinion of Fagley's position that Tomlin should be fired?
What would you expect him to say fatty?
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