Urban Meyer

[jrb12711]

@babernakle said:

I’ll repeat this for the snowflakes that might read this,  this is not like anything that has happened to date. The incidents did not involve Meyer,  meyer didn’t do anything illegal,  it did not happen on Ohio state property.  Where he knew or not does not matter. 

Let's also point out this is objectively wrong too. Title IX in this case would have required Urban to report abuse, and new reporting also dictates his contract stated as much too. Unless you think Meyer is above federal law, you're just plain incorrect.

If Urban knew and didn't report, he should and will be fired. Period.

[MLD Woody]

Urban has a clause in his contract requiring him to report this. If you're hard enough on him it can be seen as enabling Smith.

I find it funny people care about his Florida issues now. The stuff other fanbases have been saying for years, NOW it matters. 

[Axe]

This started at Florida

[jrb12711]

@mld-woody said:

Urban has a clause in his contract requiring him to report this. If you're hard enough on him it can be seen as enabling Smith.

I find it funny people care about his Florida issues now. The stuff other fanbases have been saying for years, NOW it matters. 

Eh, I mean IDK about that. The stuff with Urban at UF started pretty early into his tenure there. Up until this point Meyer hasn't even had a whiff of serious allegations against him and he's going into year 7 of the job. It's not unreasonable to say that maybe the time off and new gig changed his philosophy up. Of course if this all turns out to be true, that's dead wrong. But I don't think it's insane to consider he changed his ways before this came out.

Personally I've always thought he's been in the gray area of a lot of stuff. But frankly, I feel that way about the majority of NCAA coaches at the elite level.

[Axe]

He absolutely enabled Aaron Hernadez..

And as I mentioned  previously, This started at Florida. The first instance of abuse was in 09 at Florida.

[syd]

if urban didn't sign his new contract this would not be a story

[Richiswhere]

....if all the coaches knew about this then why aren't they all suspended ?

[mjp28]

@richiswhere said:

....if all the coaches knew about this then why aren't they all suspended ?

These and other questions yet to be answered.

Does the head coach really matter that much to the yearly  success of a team? On a scale from 1 to 10 with 1 the highest what do you think? 

[jrb12711]

@mjp28 said:

These and other questions yet to be answered.

Does the head coach really matter that much to the yearly  success of a team? On a scale from 1 to 10 with 1 the highest what do you think? 

in CFB, 10/10. The simple reason is the top-tier coaches recruit top-tier players which is required to compete for national titles. I have no doubt in the likely event Urban resigns OSU will pick up the pieces, but it's gonna be a tough 3-4 years of losing recruits.

[Canton Dawg]

[MLD Woody]

So Gene Smith is sweating now...

[JPPT1974]

He needs to work on being a better human being. And make amends. As really best to resign and let them move on.

[The Gipper]

@jppt1974 said:

He needs to work on being a better human being. And make amends. As really best to resign and let them move on.

I can only assume that you were talking about Zack Smith and nobody elseI can only assume that you were talking about Zack Smith and nobody else

[Axe]

@mld-woody said:

So Gene Smith is sweating now...

 I LOVE IT!!

Suddenly, Urban remembers,,,, he DID know!! ?

Last week he was Sgt Schultz

How much money do ya think Buckeye Alumni and Boosters are doling out right about now ?

[wargograw]

@mjp28 said:

These and other questions yet to be answered.

Does the head coach really matter that much to the yearly  success of a team? On a scale from 1 to 10 with 1 the highest what do you think? 

3. The same programs always win, and that’s not because they just happen to have the best coaches. 

[Browns149]

Of course the same programs always win. The teams with the best players win most times. Th schools that have higher standards now a day will not win. It’s over for ND UM and the likes of Stanford. 

[wargograw]

@browns149 said:

Of course the same programs always win. The teams with the best players win most times. Th schools that have higher standards now a day will not win. It’s over for ND UM and the likes of Stanford. 

Agree

[MLD Woody]

The coach 100% matters. How was your one year with Luke Fickell? Or us with Hoke?

An elite coach might make more of a difference in the MAC or something, but they still matter even at powerhouse schools. It's just that the floor is higher.

[Axe]

[The Gipper]

The righteous indignation over the situation is something for weak minds or for people with another agenda.

Of course I always base what I think based on my experience as an attorney and a magistrate,  ergo, I basically must contemplate what kind of liability does Meyer face and the answers are:

Criminally:   None

Civilly:  None

Morally:  None

Ethically:  None

The ONLY responsibility that Meyer may have had in this situation is to comply with these Title IX  rules....which rules I have only heard about the existence of but have not done the research on as to what the so called protocols were there.   So, if anyone knows them, please feel free to post them..   But I also hear that he fully complied with those protocols. 

So the ONLY thing he may have apparently done wrong is to not tell the truth to a gathering of reporters about the fact that he was aware of certain allegations that took place 3 years ago.  Of course, not telling the truth to reporters is really NOTHING....when it comes to college (or pro) head coaches. They lie about their teams issues every time they take a mike....be it about game plans, injuries etc. etc. etc.   Is it a far far greater mistake to lie about an assistant coach's legal problems than about one of his player's injuries?  It is NOT...not in any official way.  (this is not like Tressel lying to NCAA investigators over the fact that he knew that he players were selling meaningless trinkets).  Only to self righteous arsebags or those with another agenda does it mean anything.

Sure, what he actually should have said was that "I have a former asst. coach that is having some ongoing legal issues....and it is not appropriate for me to comment on it".    That would have been the proper PR thing to do.....but that was not what he did.  But...the bottom line is that ALL this is about is about a PR situation.  That is IT.   Nothing more.   Perhaps you can yammer yammer yammer on about it being about a serious domestic violence issue.....but that, again, is NOTHING more than a PR matter.   He didn't commit the domestic violence, he didn't cover it up, it appears under the proper protocols.  All he did was not be accurate to a group of reporters.  It is nothing....it is much ado about nothing. 

And here is a clue for you folks....take it from someone with nearly 38 years in the business:   though I would never pre-judge this case, it is a fact that sometimes women do lie about being a victim of domestic violence.  I have seen it happen on occasion.  They do it out of spite or vindictiveness, or they do it to try to obtain some legal advantage say in a custody dispute. The point is, it IS done on occasion.  I have seen an occasion or two where it is the woman who is the aggressor....who thinks that she can try to pound on her husband/whatever with impunity...where she may slap or hit him numerous times, but if he raises a hand in self defense or just to try to ward off the blows that she is trying to make, then SHE cries domestic violence.   I am not saying that is what has happened here....but I am saying it has happened.  

And it appears from reports that I have heard that the police had been called out several times...but no charges were ever brought.  That tells me a great deal right there because I am fully aware that the police are very sensitive to accusations that they would not be doing their jobs in a domestic abuse situation.  Routinely...if there is a call made, invariably someone is walking out in handcuffs.  And if they are not,.....it is because the police have concluded that there is not a shred of truth to the accusations involved.  I mean, this was 2015....not 1955. DV is taken very seriously by the police and prosecutors.

And that is another point....this guy,s wife really has no business calling her husband's bosses wife to complain about him.  These are the people she needed to talk to:   The Police, a Prosecutor, a Judge, a Shelter, an official court appointed abuse counsellor.  I mean, I have never heard of a case where a woman has ever complained that she told her husband's bosses wife, and as a result her husbands' boss has to lose his job.