Browns need to put end to secrecy

[Gips]

@kosar_for_president said:

In a nutshell, with the Tribe in the crapper, we have nothing to write about.

Lol that about sums it up so they whine about mangini and his secret agent guy approach personally i feel that mangini gives very informative press conferences that are adequate to whats going on and he doesnt seem to have a real "favorite" media guy to give personal one on ones with and this bugs the cleveland media..as long as i get the important stuff in nice doses im content with the press conferences for now....

We were just use to savages raving interviews and leaky insider media spills that were never intended to get out to begin with...

[Tobalaz]

Yup, EM canned the inside source and locked the press out influencing the decision making which had become a staple since the Browns' return.

So far he's done everything else "the right way" as I've seen it and I'll gladly take a dry time of year concerning the Browns if it means it's going to put us in a better position to win.

So to the press, stop bitching for a minute and let the man do his damn job!

[Kosar_For_President]

@jadbf said:

If you don't want them telling the public about what happened with a specific play

The season hasn't started yet?

[daddybull1]

The Cleveland media has brought some of this upon itself....

Put yourself in Mangini's shoes for a second..... Chris Palmer made the "runaway train" statement and got crucifed with it until he left town... Romeo made the "flip a coin" statement and still gets called to task about it even though he's no longer in the house.....

The media is super critical on coaches statements and as the new man in town Mangini is playing it safe..... If you don't say anything the media can't hold your feet to the fire.... I think its a smart ploy and would do it myself if I was in his position....

As far as losing the fan base here in Cleveland thats a bunch of bullcrap.... Win ballgames and you'll get the key to the city... Be a losing coach and you'll get directions to the greyhound bus terminal pretty damn quickly.....

peace

T.Dawg

[choco]

in other words, change your practice plan to placate the press.....they have free speech...blah blah blah.

this has nothing to do about free speech, this has everything to do about eliminating the leaks spilling of information the press does not need.

do they need to see that one play? nope....they wanna, so they can justify their jobs.

craps been being leaked under old regime.....and we sucked. may not be a connection....maybe there is. either way, its mangini's way or the highway.

[Kosar_For_President]

@jadbf said:

even less of a reason to worry about what they are reporting?

I am not worried until training camp, your confusing me with someone who cares until then.

[Tobalaz]

And it's this time of year every year when the Cavs come up short and the Tribe bombs we get the revolving QB media circus.

I wouldn't want to deal with the press much in that regard either.

[hammertime]

Cleveland media wants to act like a big time group of journalists.

Fact is the PD is the only game in town and can print all the garbage they want.

Cleveland media in general is one of the most biased groups in the nation. Give them some competition and see how fair and balanced they are then.

The Plain Dealer is a crap paper and looked down upon by those outside our 'bubble'

[Vegasdogg]

@jadbf said:

My point is once you let them into see a practice (or more realistically, once the NFL forces you to let them in). Then you have ZERO right to tell them what they can and can't print about what they see.

I agree. That is not something I think he can control, and if he tries and the media falls for it, shame on them both.

But the tidbits of info he provides, and the things he keeps close to the vest, are activities he brought with him from his HC days with the Jets. He doesn't give a ton of info because of his attenton to detail - the more info out there, the more it comes back to haunt the team. When the media is perplexed as to what he will not reveal, that is because with the media, you just never know how they will twist and manipulate.

[Vegasdogg]

@jadbf said:

actually I was confusing you with someone who had an actual point to express I guess...

LOL. Hilarious.

[mz.]

@choco said:

so they can justify their jobs.

That's exactly what this is all about. Nothing more.

[Kosar_For_President]

@jadbf said:

actually I was confusing you with someone who had an actual point to express I guess...

Yep, "In a nutshell, with the Tribe in the crapper, we have nothing to write about." See above. You can read!

[choco]

@jadbf said:

Actually no you are missing what I am saying.

looks like i did.

my point was there is no commitment from the new regime to operate like the old. he can't limit what they can write about, so he's limiting what they see.

and thats got their panties all bunched.

[AZBrowns]

The only thing the Browns organization needs to do is focus on what's taking place on the field and WITHIN the organization.

If these outlets are having difficulty writing stories, they aren't trying hard enough. They want info handed to them, they want to do as little investigating as possible and they will not be successful in covering the Browns under this regime with that approach. It really isn't THAT difficult to find stories to cover.

[Vegasdogg]

@choco said:

and thats got their panties all bunched.

What I do not understand is their inability to tell the reader why we should care. They have all this outrage about secrecy, but then completely fail to inform us fans why we should also be upset. If you have a problem, tell me why I should care, too. Otherwise, you come off as a whiner. This is not about what the fans are missing out on, it is about making the job of a sportswriter more difficut. Boo-fooking-hoo.

[Solon16]

I can't stand the whinning....so stupid....the more this happens the more the Media will have a negative bent on EM....which is sad. as someone said earlier they seem to feel entitled somehow about access to the Browns...if your a beat writer....hit the beat. Earn your fookin money and quit whinning. It was same in NY and the media turned on him because of it...IMO

[damajuki]

''Nobody cares about our problems.''

I couldn't agree more with her former editor.

Get the info or don't but shut up about how hard your job is.

And great point, DD. The only argument they make is "The Browns should care more about their fans!" Why should WE care about your problems though?

And, as daddybull points out, the best way for the Browns to show they care about their fans is to win some damn football games not just to TALK about stuff so these beat reporters' jobs are easier.

You really think this is the best way to keep people interested in newspapers when they're struggling, Marla? I'm sure your former editor would be proud.`

[ndneighbor]

@solon16 said:

It was same in NY and the media turned on him because of it...IMO

There it is. Great point Solon16. Thank you for opening that door.

The New York press Put EM through hell. IMO.

What we see now is the result of EM learning from not only his own mistakes but also the mistakes he also saw Belichick, Marchibroda and Parcells make while on their staffs.

He probably didn't realize he was seeing mistakes in dealing with the press until he was the guy in NY and had to deal with the sharks himself.

Also remember, he was already familiar with the Cleveland press from his stint as an intern and then Bill B's assistant in 95.

From what I can see, The guy is dead set on putting up a lot of Ws and as fast as possible. I don't believe he cares one lick about the press anymore.

He knows they don't sign his paychecks and he's giving us the fanbase full credit for being intelligent enough to read every newspaper as if it was headed for the bottom of a birdcage. We've got the internet.

[kshutchins]

@jadbf said:

I don't care if they close EVERY SINGLE PRACTICE to the press. I don't care if he builds an underground practice facility that's harder for press to get into than Area 51.

LOL. I agree completely.

[kshutchins]

"To his credit, Mangini opened more practices than the league required. But for the most part, the media were restricted to standing behind a sand pit, aka ''the sand box,'' beside Belichick's old training hill. The spot up against the fence was not close to the nearest sideline and light-years away when drills were conducted two fields over. A second-floor window of a nearby condo would have been a better vantage point." ---Marla Ridenour, Beacon Journal

Okay... start making friends with the owner of that second-floor window. Though it IS fun to get the scoop on what's going on with the team, I really care more about what goes on at game time. Just win, baby. I don't feel slighted as a fan because the coach isn't more forthcoming. In fact, I'm a little surprised they've been talking as much as they have about the defense.