Browns need to put end to secrecy
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@jadbf said:
My point is once you let them into see a practice (or more realistically, once the NFL forces you to let them in). Then you have ZERO right to tell them what they can and can't print about what they see.I agree. That is not something I think he can control, and if he tries and the media falls for it, shame on them both.
But the tidbits of info he provides, and the things he keeps close to the vest, are activities he brought with him from his HC days with the Jets. He doesn't give a ton of info because of his attenton to detail - the more info out there, the more it comes back to haunt the team. When the media is perplexed as to what he will not reveal, that is because with the media, you just never know how they will twist and manipulate.
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@jadbf said:
actually I was confusing you with someone who had an actual point to express I guess...LOL. Hilarious.
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in other words, change your practice plan to placate the press.....they have free speech...blah blah blah.
this has nothing to do about free speech, this has everything to do about eliminating the leaks spilling of information the press does not need.
do they need to see that one play? nope....they wanna, so they can justify their jobs.
craps been being leaked under old regime.....and we sucked. may not be a connection....maybe there is. either way, its mangini's way or the highway.
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@jadbf said:
actually I was confusing you with someone who had an actual point to express I guess...Yep, "In a nutshell, with the Tribe in the crapper, we have nothing to write about." See above. You can read!
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@jadbf said:
Actually no you are missing what I am saying.looks like i did.
my point was there is no commitment from the new regime to operate like the old. he can't limit what they can write about, so he's limiting what they see.
and thats got their panties all bunched.
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The only thing the Browns organization needs to do is focus on what's taking place on the field and WITHIN the organization.
If these outlets are having difficulty writing stories, they aren't trying hard enough. They want info handed to them, they want to do as little investigating as possible and they will not be successful in covering the Browns under this regime with that approach. It really isn't THAT difficult to find stories to cover.
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@jadbf said:
Actually no you are missing what I am saying.looks like i did.
my point was there is no commitment from the new regime to operate like the old. he can't limit what they can write about, so he's limiting what they see.
and thats got their panties all bunched.
and thats got their panties all bunched.
What I do not understand is their inability to tell the reader why we should care. They have all this outrage about secrecy, but then completely fail to inform us fans why we should also be upset. If you have a problem, tell me why I should care, too. Otherwise, you come off as a whiner. This is not about what the fans are missing out on, it is about making the job of a sportswriter more difficut. Boo-fooking-hoo.
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I can't stand the whinning....so stupid....the more this happens the more the Media will have a negative bent on EM....which is sad. as someone said earlier they seem to feel entitled somehow about access to the Browns...if your a beat writer....hit the beat. Earn your fookin money and quit whinning. It was same in NY and the media turned on him because of it...IMO
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''Nobody cares about our problems.''
I couldn't agree more with her former editor.
Get the info or don't but shut up about how hard your job is.
And great point, DD. The only argument they make is "The Browns should care more about their fans!" Why should WE care about your problems though?
And, as daddybull points out, the best way for the Browns to show they care about their fans is to win some damn football games not just to TALK about stuff so these beat reporters' jobs are easier.
You really think this is the best way to keep people interested in newspapers when they're struggling, Marla? I'm sure your former editor would be proud.`
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I can't stand the whinning....so stupid....the more this happens the more the Media will have a negative bent on EM....which is sad. as someone said earlier they seem to feel entitled somehow about access to the Browns...if your a beat writer....hit the beat. Earn your fookin money and quit whinning. It was same in NY and the media turned on him because of it...IMO
It was same in NY and the media turned on him because of it...IMO
There it is. Great point Solon16. Thank you for opening that door.
The New York press Put EM through hell. IMO.
What we see now is the result of EM learning from not only his own mistakes but also the mistakes he also saw Belichick, Marchibroda and Parcells make while on their staffs.
He probably didn't realize he was seeing mistakes in dealing with the press until he was the guy in NY and had to deal with the sharks himself.
Also remember, he was already familiar with the Cleveland press from his stint as an intern and then Bill B's assistant in 95.
From what I can see, The guy is dead set on putting up a lot of Ws and as fast as possible. I don't believe he cares one lick about the press anymore.
He knows they don't sign his paychecks and he's giving us the fanbase full credit for being intelligent enough to read every newspaper as if it was headed for the bottom of a birdcage. We've got the internet.
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@jadbf said:
I don't care if they close EVERY SINGLE PRACTICE to the press. I don't care if he builds an underground practice facility that's harder for press to get into than Area 51.LOL. I agree completely.
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"To his credit, Mangini opened more practices than the league required. But for the most part, the media were restricted to standing behind a sand pit, aka ''the sand box,'' beside Belichick's old training hill. The spot up against the fence was not close to the nearest sideline and light-years away when drills were conducted two fields over. A second-floor window of a nearby condo would have been a better vantage point." ---Marla Ridenour, Beacon Journal
Okay... start making friends with the owner of that second-floor window. Though it IS fun to get the scoop on what's going on with the team, I really care more about what goes on at game time. Just win, baby. I don't feel slighted as a fan because the coach isn't more forthcoming. In fact, I'm a little surprised they've been talking as much as they have about the defense.
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Now folks, you're all bein' a little too tough on the media people, don't ya think??? Why, they just care about us fans...right?
There's only so many lies, oops, there's only so many well founded fictitious rumors from reliable sources you can dream up, er obtain, before you lose credibility. We all know how very important it is for these writers (??) to protect their credibility (cough, hack). I for one would suggest they move to Hollywood & become REAL gossip columnists.
Writers, keep right on whining...you made your beds with the crap you print, now go sleep in 'em! LOL
Mike
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Marla is not one of my favorite people that covers the Browns. A few years back I gabbed with Tony a little at camp and we were having a good chat until she came up and almost dragged him away to the media section for seven on seven. No "hi, how are you?" or nothing like that. I didn't think much of it but I later emailed her numerous times when she was also covering the Buckeyes about how I could go about getting a Media Guide and she never emailed me back. Keep in mind this is when Pluto or McMannamon always responded to emails. I just thought it was tacky and ever since I haven't thought much of her. Her writing is nothing special and I can't recall ever getting any really good tidbits out of her.
Meanwhile Doeschuck is having sit downs with Mangie.
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http://www.clevelandreboot.com/2009/06/whi...ar-edition.html
Really well thought out article...imo a good read
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I love it..............................because whiners like Grossi and Mary Kay need to have stories handed to them. They see an imcompletion and all the sudden the QB isn't grasping the offense. They don't take the time to see what play was called and if the receiver ran the right pattern.
Maybe there would be more access if they just reported what was going on instead of trying to overanalyze and make assumptions about things. Just because Quinn took the first snaps at the first minicamp all the sudden he was a step up on Anderson. Hell, someone had to take the first snap.
Problem is some have ruined it for all but reporting BS and creating rumors.
So, I agree with Mangini. Close them out and that keeps all the BS in house.
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Does anyone know? How great is the struggle of Cleveland sportswriters compared to those in other cities?
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I get a kick out of these writers trying to spin it into a "Hey fans, they're not going to tell you squat, so you should be upset, too" type of perspective.
To all media covering the Browns, I think I speak for everyone here when I say this:
Do you honestly think after eight losing seasons and one playoff appearance in ten years that we give a crap about the level of secrecy in Berea?
Do you think that's what keeps us up at nights?
Do you think that's what keeps us from beating Pittsburgh?
Do you think that's the disconnect between the Browns regime and the fan base?
After having our hearts ripped from our chest in '95, three years of boring fall Sundays, and ten years of suck it's all so simple: WE WANT A WINNING FOOTBALL TEAM THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF.
But you go ahead and print whatever makes you feel better. We'll still be here wanting results on the field, not in the press room.
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Our modern day sports writers have evolved into super sluths and over analyze everyone and everything... Who really gives a rats patuse if they wear boxers or briefs....
Admittedly I'm old school... I grew up listening to baseball games with my father and we were listening to Rosey Roswald broadcasting the Pittsburgh Pirate games as he got them of the wire... You could hear the clicking of the telegraph lines in the background and Rosey would make up the play by play as he read what was happening... I believe this was used for away games as he was most likely in attendance for the home games... Unfortunatly we were in an area where we couldn't get the Cleveland broadcasts, that technology didn't come till years later...
Roseys sidekick at that time was Bob Prince who became the famed announcer for the modern day Pirates... It was always amusing when the gunner, Prince, did the commentary on the radio as he would fall back on old habits and really embelish what was happening... I can remember taking my transister radio to old Forbes Field to listen to Prince as I was watching the game... I often wondered if we were watching the same game as routine fly balls to Clemente in right field were broadcast as climbing the wall catches...
oops!! Guess I had a senior moment there---getting back to the topic of this thread, the Cleveland media better get used to it... There's a new sheriff in town so the rules of the game have changed.... Get with the program, do a little work or cover another sport....
I agree with Shep on this one, most of the factual info I now receive I get here on the Browns Board....
peace
T.Dawg
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