Dynasties, Near Dynasties
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How about the 50s Lions? They won NFL titles (vs the Browns each time) in 1952, 1953 and 1957.
How about the 50s Lions? They won NFL titles (vs the Browns each time) in 1952, 1953 and 1957.
That would be likely to be one of the " other candidates" that I perhaps would try to document. Except for the Browns I had not gone further back in history than the 60s. It does take a little bit of time to accumulate this data, and I had just run out of time at that point.
Edit: But, here is the deal on the 50s Lions:
7 players: Bobby Layne, D.i.c.k Stanfel, Doak Walker, Jack Christenson, Joe Schmidt, Lou Creekmur, Yale Lary
But, oddly with the Lions...a couple of guys perhaps associated with that team were NOT part of the Lions dynasty: D.i.c.k LeBeau did not join the Lions until 1959, and D.i.c.k Night Train Lane until 1960...so, as I said, they were not part of the dynasty.
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I think, perhaps that one way to tell what may have been among the greatest dynasties in NFL history is by how many Hall of Fame Players came off a particular team. So here is a compilation of players that players on dynasties...or near dynasties. I think I will begin with what I believe is the clear #1 choice:
.......I may look at more teams later. Or is you know of a team that should be included, say so.
That's a pretty complete list in itself the concentration of HOF players is a big reason for dynasties along with the coaches and team ownership/management.
The only other area would be the transition of the somewhat popular AFL into the NFL and the players and teams that came along with the move.
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This fourth version of the AFL was the most successful, created by a number of owners who had been refused NFL expansion franchises or had minor shares of NFL franchises. The AFL's original lineup consisted of an Eastern division of the New York Titans, Boston Patriots, Buffalo Bills, and the Houston Oilers, and a Western division of the Los Angeles Chargers, Denver Broncos, Oakland Raiders, and Dallas Texans. The league first gained attention by signing 75% of the NFL's first-round draft choices in 1960, including Houston's successful signing of college star and Heisman Trophy winner Billy Cannon.
While the first years of the AFL saw uneven competition and low attendance, the league was buttressed by a generous television contract with the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) (followed by a contract with the competing National Broadcasting Company (NBC) for games starting with the 1965 season) that broadcast the more offense-oriented football league nationwide. Continuing to attract top talent from colleges and the NFL by the mid-1960s, as well as successful franchise shifts of the Chargers from L.A. south to San Diego and the Texans north to Kansas City (becoming the Kansas City Chiefs), the AFL established a dedicated following. The transformation of the struggling Titans into the New York Jets under new ownership further solidified the league's reputation among the major media..........
All-Time AFL Team Offense Defense Special Teams Position Player Position Player Position Player WR Lance Alworth End Jerry Mays K George Blanda End Don Maynard Gerry Philbin TE Fred Arbanas T Houston Antwine T Ron Mix Tom Sestak Jim Tyrer LB Bobby Bell C Jim Otto George Webster G Ed Budde Nick Buoniconti P Jerrel Wilson Billy Shaw CB Willie Brown QB Joe Namath Dave Grayson RB Clem Daniels S Johnny Robinson Paul Lowe George Saimes That's a pretty complete list in itself the concentration of HOF players is a big reason for dynasties along with the coaches and team ownership/management.
The only other area would be the transition of the somewhat popular AFL into the NFL and the players and teams that came along with the move.
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This fourth version of the AFL was the most successful, created by a number of owners who had been refused NFL expansion franchises or had minor shares of NFL franchises. The AFL's original lineup consisted of an Eastern division of the New York Titans, Boston Patriots, Buffalo Bills, and the Houston Oilers, and a Western division of the Los Angeles Chargers, Denver Broncos, Oakland Raiders, and Dallas Texans. The league first gained attention by signing 75% of the NFL's first-round draft choices in 1960, including Houston's successful signing of college star and Heisman Trophy winner Billy Cannon.
While the first years of the AFL saw uneven competition and low attendance, the league was buttressed by a generous television contract with the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) (followed by a contract with the competing National Broadcasting Company (NBC) for games starting with the 1965 season) that broadcast the more offense-oriented football league nationwide. Continuing to attract top talent from colleges and the NFL by the mid-1960s, as well as successful franchise shifts of the Chargers from L.A. south to San Diego and the Texans north to Kansas City (becoming the Kansas City Chiefs), the AFL established a dedicated following. The transformation of the struggling Titans into the New York Jets under new ownership further solidified the league's reputation among the major media..........
All-Time AFL Team Offense Defense Special Teams Position Player Position Player Position Player WR Lance Alworth End Jerry Mays K George Blanda End Don Maynard Gerry Philbin TE Fred Arbanas T Houston Antwine T Ron Mix Tom Sestak Jim Tyrer LB Bobby Bell C Jim Otto George Webster G Ed Budde Nick Buoniconti P Jerrel Wilson Billy Shaw CB Willie Brown QB Joe Namath Dave Grayson RB Clem Daniels S Johnny Robinson Paul Lowe George Saimes On Tyrer, I see that I was under a couple of erroneous assumptions: for whatever reason I thought he played for Da Bears, but no. Plus, I thought that he killed himself and his wife shortly after he ended his football career....... Well, it was still "short" ...only 6 years (last played in 1974...died in 1980)...but I thought only a year or two. Nevertheless, but for the manner of his death and that of his wife I think he would have been a serious HOF candidate. I might check to see if perhaps he was a HOF finalist for 1 or 2 years. But his actions killed his HOF potential along with his family.
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Buffalo Bills
Jim Kelly, Marv Levy, Bill Polian, Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed.
Buffalo Bills
Jim Kelly, Marv Levy, Bill Polian, Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed.
Good...another one of the "others".
But here, we had only 4 players.....and 3 others, HC Levy, GM Polian, and Owner Ralph Wilson
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90s Cowboys?
90s Cowboys?
Irvin, Aikman, Emmit, Larry Allen....and Charles Haley who I think was on them for all 3 SB wins....and perhaps you can squeeze Deion Sanders in there as he played in one of their SB wins.
But they also have Jerry Jones in there, which is a travesty in that it should be Jimmy Johnson, not Jones who would be HOF material. It was Johnson who selected and coached that team for the most part in that dynasty. All Jerry Jones is is a greedy money grubbing arsehole.
So, 5 players, and 1 Owner/Admin.
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Frank Gatski ?
Frank Gatski ?
I was afraid with your post that I had missed him....but no....I had him in there.
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I think the Patriots have to be on any dynasty list.
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I think the Patriots have to be on any dynasty list.
I think the Patriots have to be on any dynasty list.
Too soon for Hall of Fame consideration however most of the players
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Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Gronkowski is already in my personal hall of fame for what happens at the seven second Mark here
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Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
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Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
Ya, Rodney Harriso,n my be HOF material, but the majority of his carerr is with the Chargers.
Their other best players ... Matt Light, Richard Seymour, Willie McGinest ... Very good but probably below Hall threshold.
Zombo
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Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
Same with the MLB, NBA, NHL you knew the starters year after year.
The NFL set out to "bust up the dynasties" and create parity....or parody depending on your point of view.
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For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
Same with the MLB, NBA, NHL you knew the starters year after year.
The NFL set out to "bust up the dynasties" and create parity....or parody depending on your point of view.
Same with the MLB, NBA, NHL you knew the starters year after year.
The NFL set out to "bust up the dynasties" and create parity....or parody depending on your point of view.
I don't know that it was the NFL that did that. It was the NFLPA that did that really. When Free Agency came in there has been massive movement of players. In the 50s/60s/70s players could not move from team to team like they have been able to do so the last 25-30 years. A player plays for a couple of Super Bowl winning teams....he wants to look elsewhere for a massive payday....and those winning combinations break up. Unless, of course, you have a Montana or a Brady who controls things at a very high level, and stays put somewhat. (although even Joe Cool left SFO)
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Same with the MLB, NBA, NHL you knew the starters year after year.
The NFL set out to "bust up the dynasties" and create parity....or parody depending on your point of view.
I don't know that it was the NFL that did that. It was the NFLPA that did that really. When Free Agency came in there has been massive movement of players. In the 50s/60s/70s players could not move from team to team like they have been able to do so the last 25-30 years. A player plays for a couple of Super Bowl winning teams....he wants to look elsewhere for a massive payday....and those winning combinations break up. Unless, of course, you have a Montana or a Brady who controls things at a very high level, and stays put somewhat. (although even Joe Cool left SFO)
I don't know that it was the NFL that did that. It was the NFLPA that did that really. When Free Agency came in there has been massive movement of players. In the 50s/60s/70s players could not move from team to team like they have been able to do so the last 25-30 years. A player plays for a couple of Super Bowl winning teams....he wants to look elsewhere for a massive payday....and those winning combinations break up. Unless, of course, you have a Montana or a Brady who controls things at a very high level, and stays put somewhat. (although even Joe Cool left SFO)
There has always been some debate on that parity or no parity here's an interesting read on that, do the fans love it or hate it?
.....The NFL wanted parity, and now it’s here. But if parity looks like a bad Giants team dismantling the Broncos on Sunday night in Denver, it won’t be long until the NFL ends up wishing it had its own version of Barcelona–Real Madrid.....
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