Dynasties, Near Dynasties
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Frank Gatski ?
Frank Gatski ?
I was afraid with your post that I had missed him....but no....I had him in there.
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I think the Patriots have to be on any dynasty list.
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I think the Patriots have to be on any dynasty list.
I think the Patriots have to be on any dynasty list.
Too soon for Hall of Fame consideration however most of the players
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Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Gronkowski is already in my personal hall of fame for what happens at the seven second Mark here
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Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
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Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
Ya, Rodney Harriso,n my be HOF material, but the majority of his carerr is with the Chargers.
Their other best players ... Matt Light, Richard Seymour, Willie McGinest ... Very good but probably below Hall threshold.
Zombo
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Tom Brady and Randy Moss are already locks. Gronkowski looks probable eventually. If they produce only two or three hall of fame players and a coach it makes them that much more impressive.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
Same with the MLB, NBA, NHL you knew the starters year after year.
The NFL set out to "bust up the dynasties" and create parity....or parody depending on your point of view.
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For whatever reasons more current "dynasties" do not seem to be filled with HOFers the way previous dynasties, like the Packers, Browns, Steelers were. The Patriots dynasty will be looked at as the product of just 2-3 superior talents: Brady/Belichick. You can throw in a Moss (but I do not think he was actually with them for any of their titles...just that one loss to the Giants). Gronk was not there for the first 3 of 5 titles going back to 01, 03, 04. Is ANYONE else on these Pats that have played for them since 2001 a possible candidate?
Likewise the 49ers basically had just 3 guys: Lott, Rice, Montana....and later Young (oh, and Haley). So...3-4 guys for them as well....compare to 12, 9, 8 for the Packers, Steelers, Browns.
Same with the MLB, NBA, NHL you knew the starters year after year.
The NFL set out to "bust up the dynasties" and create parity....or parody depending on your point of view.
Same with the MLB, NBA, NHL you knew the starters year after year.
The NFL set out to "bust up the dynasties" and create parity....or parody depending on your point of view.
I don't know that it was the NFL that did that. It was the NFLPA that did that really. When Free Agency came in there has been massive movement of players. In the 50s/60s/70s players could not move from team to team like they have been able to do so the last 25-30 years. A player plays for a couple of Super Bowl winning teams....he wants to look elsewhere for a massive payday....and those winning combinations break up. Unless, of course, you have a Montana or a Brady who controls things at a very high level, and stays put somewhat. (although even Joe Cool left SFO)
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Same with the MLB, NBA, NHL you knew the starters year after year.
The NFL set out to "bust up the dynasties" and create parity....or parody depending on your point of view.
I don't know that it was the NFL that did that. It was the NFLPA that did that really. When Free Agency came in there has been massive movement of players. In the 50s/60s/70s players could not move from team to team like they have been able to do so the last 25-30 years. A player plays for a couple of Super Bowl winning teams....he wants to look elsewhere for a massive payday....and those winning combinations break up. Unless, of course, you have a Montana or a Brady who controls things at a very high level, and stays put somewhat. (although even Joe Cool left SFO)
I don't know that it was the NFL that did that. It was the NFLPA that did that really. When Free Agency came in there has been massive movement of players. In the 50s/60s/70s players could not move from team to team like they have been able to do so the last 25-30 years. A player plays for a couple of Super Bowl winning teams....he wants to look elsewhere for a massive payday....and those winning combinations break up. Unless, of course, you have a Montana or a Brady who controls things at a very high level, and stays put somewhat. (although even Joe Cool left SFO)
There has always been some debate on that parity or no parity here's an interesting read on that, do the fans love it or hate it?
.....The NFL wanted parity, and now it’s here. But if parity looks like a bad Giants team dismantling the Broncos on Sunday night in Denver, it won’t be long until the NFL ends up wishing it had its own version of Barcelona–Real Madrid.....
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