Hall of Fame Questions

ballpeen

I think Claude Humphrey should get in....he was a great player.

I pulled the following form a old UPI archive....no credit as to who wrote the blurb:

"Humphrey, a three time modern-era finalist for the hall, was the NFL defensive rookie of the year in 1968. He is unofficially credited with 122 career sacks, which wasn't an official statistics until 1982 -- the year after Humphrey retired -- and was selected for six Pro Bowls."

The Gipper

@jason-j said:
With this group:
RB Emmitt Smith

WR Tim Brown

WR Jerry Rice (assuming that his preseason adventures in 2005 aren’t held against him)

CB Aeneas Williams

All of whom look to make it on their first ballot... except maybe Williams who will likely suffer from the fact that he played nearly all of his brilliant career in Arizona, and didn't arrive on the national scene until he was a shell of his former greatness in 2001... The prospects for those left off in '09 aren't good in 2010. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that Bob Keuchenberg has waited long enough.

Outside of him, you've got some marginal HOF'ers. Dawson is probably the closest thing to a definite and to a lesser extent, Sharpe. 2010 might be their year. Dent and Reed will be waiting a while. Dent and Carter are going to get in eventually. I don't know if Grimm, Kennedy, Humphery, or Randle ever get in.

I'm not sure Tagilabue counts against the class. As an executive, he can go in anytime.

-jj

OK Yes, Rice and Emmit Smith are no brainer first time inductees. Personally I believe Carter should go in before Brown or any of those other receivers. Though, if you think about it, if you Hall of Fame Class consisted of all receivers: Rice, Tim Brown, Chris Carter, Andre Reed, Shannon Sharpe, and the odd man out running back Emmit Smith, that would still be a hell of a class!

The Gipper

I think if I were choosing, my class of 6 then next year would be:

Jerry Rice

Emmit Smith

Chris Carter

Richard Dent

Russ Grimm

Bob Keuchenberg

The Gipper

I am going to make a few posts listing positions and names. The question will be who among these lists do you think is Hall of Fame worthy? I will start with the quarterbacks, since that is the glamor position. Who, if any, among these should be eventually inducted into the HOF?:

Jim Hart

John Brodie

John Hadl

Ken Stabler

Archie Manning

Jack Kemp

Bert Jones

Tobin Rote

Eddie Le Baron

Ken Anderson

Bernie Kosar

Roman Gabriel

Phil Simms

Boomer Esiason

Randall Cunningham

Daryl LaMonica

(or anyone else you may think of)

The Gipper

Now, I will do the same for Running backs. Who if any do you believe is Hall of Fame Worthy:

Floyd Little

Jim Nance

Abner Haynes

Cookie Gilchrist

Mercury Morris

Alan Ameche

Tank Younger

Paul Lowe

Freeman McNeil

Curt Warner

James Brooks

Chuck Foreman

Chuck Muncie

Terrel Davis

Herschel Walker

Ricky Waters

Ottis Anderson

Roger Craig

and again, anyone else I missed (Pruitt, Pruitt, Mack, Byner?)

The Gipper

Here is a fairly large group of defensive players, any position. Who may be HOF worthy?:

Dick LeBeau

Erich Barnes

Rosey Grier

Chuck Howley

Ken Riley

Alex Karras

Jim Marshall

Randy Gradishar

Kevin Greene

Darren Woodson

Ricky Jackson

Jack Tatum

Steve Atwater

Harry Carson

Harvey Martin

L.C. Greenwood

Curley Culp

Robert Brazile

Maxie Baughn

Tommy Nobis

Lemar Parish

Eddie Meador

Dick Anderson

Jake Scott

Leroy Jordan

The Gipper

Here are some receivers. Note if you think HOF worthy:

Otis Taylor

Harold Carmichael

Cliff Branch

Drew Pearson

Harold Jackson

Mac Speedie

Lionel Taylor

Billy Howton

Art Powell

Boyd Dowler

any others (aside from the Rice's, Carters, Reeds, Sharpes, etc. that we have not already mentioned?

The Gipper

Last group. These are a few linemen and special teamers. HOF?:

Jerry Kramer

Mick Tinglehoff

Winston Hill

Glenn Pressnel

Ray Guy

Bill Bates

Steve Tasker

any other OL or special teamers you can think of

ballpeen

@the-gipper said:
Here is a fairly large group of defensive players, any position. Who may be HOF worthy?:
Dick LeBeau Y

Erich Barnes Y

Rosey Grier Y

Chuck Howley Y

Ken Riley

Alex Karras

Jim Marshall Y

Randy Gradishar

Kevin Greene

Darren Woodson

Ricky Jackson

Jack Tatum Y

Steve Atwater

Harry Carson

Harvey Martin

L.C. Greenwood

Curley Culp Y

Robert Brazile

Maxie Baughn

Tommy Nobis

Lemar Parish

Eddie Meador

Dick Anderson Y

Jake Scott Y

Leroy Jordan

Pretty good list of defenders who don't make the grade.

Riffer X

@the-gipper said:
Here is a fairly large group of defensive players, any position. Who may be HOF worthy?:
Dick LeBeau

Erich Barnes

Rosey Grier

Chuck Howley

Ken Riley

Alex Karras

Jim Marshall

Randy Gradishar

Kevin Greene

Darren Woodson

Ricky Jackson

Jack Tatum

Steve Atwater

Harry Carson

Harvey Martin

L.C. Greenwood

Curley Culp

Robert Brazile

Maxie Baughn

Tommy Nobis

Lemar Parish

Eddie Meador

Dick Anderson

Jake Scott

Leroy Jordan

It's a crime Gradishar is not in. Others: Tatum, Riley, Martin, Marshall, Greene and Woodson

Riffer X

@the-gipper said:
Here are some receivers. Note if you think HOF worthy:
Otis Taylor

Harold Carmichael

Cliff Branch

Drew Pearson

Harold Jackson

Mac Speedie

Lionel Taylor

Billy Howton

Art Powell

Boyd Dowler

any others (aside from the Rice's, Carters, Reeds, Sharpes, etc. that we have not already mentioned?

None

The Gipper

@the-gipper said:
I am going to make a few posts listing positions and names. The question will be who among these lists do you think is Hall of Fame worthy? I will start with the quarterbacks, since that is the glamor position. Who, if any, among these should be eventually inducted into the HOF?:
Jim Hart

John Brodie

John Hadl

Ken Stabler

Archie Manning

Jack Kemp

Bert Jones

Tobin Rote

Eddie Le Baron

Ken Anderson

Bernie Kosar

Roman Gabriel

Phil Simms

Boomer Esiason

Randall Cunningham

Daryl LaMonica

(or anyone else you may think of)

[b]I never did make my own reply to these lists. There is a Veteran's committee and I believe that one day they will induct John Hadl and Ken Anderson. Plus Gabriel could come close. Hadl at one time was thisclose to being inducted but didn't make it. Cunningham also has a chance because of his unique abilities.[/b]

The Gipper

@the-gipper said:
Now, I will do the same for Running backs. Who if any do you believe is Hall of Fame Worthy:
Floyd Little

Jim Nance

Abner Haynes

Cookie Gilchrist

Mercury Morris

Alan Ameche

Tank Younger

Paul Lowe

Freeman McNeil

Curt Warner

James Brooks

Chuck Foreman

Chuck Muncie

Terrel Davis

Herschel Walker

Ricky Waters

Ottis Anderson

Roger Craig

and again, anyone else I missed (Pruitt, Pruitt, Mack, Byner?)

Alan Ameche, Ottis Anderson, Cookie Gilchrist

Terrel Davis will be hurt by the fact that NUMEROUS Bronco RBs after him performed about as well as he did, thus the voters have the inkling that perhaps it was the system and not the talent of the individual player that was key

The Gipper

@the-gipper said:
Here is a fairly large group of defensive players, any position. Who may be HOF worthy?:
Dick LeBeau

Erich Barnes

Rosey Grier

Chuck Howley

Ken Riley

Alex Karras

Jim Marshall

Randy Gradishar

Kevin Greene

Darren Woodson

Ricky Jackson

Jack Tatum

Steve Atwater

Harry Carson

Harvey Martin

L.C. Greenwood

Curley Culp

Robert Brazile

Maxie Baughn

Tommy Nobis

Lemar Parish

Eddie Meador

Dick Anderson

Jake Scott

Leroy Jordan

LeBeau, Tatum, Karras, Marshall

LeBeau really was one of the best DBs of all time in my opinion. But he may (and probably should) make the HOF as the first assistant coach/coordinator to get in. As far as I am concerned HE, and not Tomlin or Cowher is the reason for the success of the Steelers over the last 8-10 years.

Jack Tatum is not in the HOF solely because of his hit on Stingley....and the fact that he was unrepentent about playing the way he was taught to play and the way the NFL wanted him to play.

Karras is not in solely because of his gambling scandal. Yet, that didn't keep Hornung out...though he did have to wait many more years than he probably should have to be selected.

Marshall is not in because of his silly wrong way run.....or more likely because Alan Page and Carl Eller of that line are already in. The HOF doesn't like to put too many people from a single unit in. (And that may also be why Jordan and Greenwood are not in)

The Gipper

@the-gipper said:
Here are some receivers. Note if you think HOF worthy:
Otis Taylor

Harold Carmichael

Cliff Branch

Drew Pearson

Harold Jackson

Mac Speedie

Lionel Taylor

Billy Howton

Art Powell

Boyd Dowler

any others (aside from the Rice's, Carters, Reeds, Sharpes, etc. that we have not already mentioned?

[b]Billy Howton should be in, though not much is ever said about him. Howton broke Don Hutson career receiving record and held it for at least about a decade before Charley Taylor came along.

I alway thought Otis Taylor belonged.

Drew Pearson, while good was I believe overrated simply because he played for the Cowboys and because he did make a few clutch catches in big games.[/b]

The Gipper

@the-gipper said:
Last group. These are a few linemen and special teamers. HOF?:
Jerry Kramer

Mick Tinglehoff

Winston Hill

Glenn Pressnel

Ray Guy

Bill Bates

Steve Tasker

any other OL or special teamers you can think of

Kramer, Tinglehoff, Guy, and Tasker

and maybe Pressnell (he was a real old timer going back to the 30s)