OUR "Hard Knocks" Thread
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8. Kind of surprised how little Denzel Ward is even mentioned. He was the #4 overall pick, and in two episodes the only time you really see him is when it appears he's not paying attention.
It's absolutely bewildering how invisible he is on the show right now.
It's absolutely bewildering how invisible he is on the show right now.
The show normally follows several players through the trials and tribulations of cutting days. He has no worries. But at some point he will get featured I'm sure. I'm thinking Cajuste will be seen nearly every week as a "bubble" player who is giving everything to make this team. And I bet we see some followup this week with Coleman since ironically he is on our schedule tonight.
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Callaway looks and behaves like a school kid. You can tell he is immature and is probably easily led. There were a lot of cringe worthy moments in episode 2 but I think the worst was when hue made him stand up and apologise in front of his team mates. I dont think that was necessary anyway, another easy target for hue to try and exert his authority....but the way callaway stood there swinging his arms, and then a rather weak apology, and then hue just accepting it....yeah cringe worthy!!
I think the question is whether this kid has the strength of personality to stay on the straight path...I really hope he does because he is some athlete.
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Callaway looks and behaves like a school kid. You can tell he is immature and is probably easily led. There were a lot of cringe worthy moments in episode 2 but I think the worst was when hue made him stand up and apologise in front of his team mates. I dont think that was necessary anyway, another easy target for hue to try and exert his authority....but the way callaway stood there swinging his arms, and then a rather weak apology, and then hue just accepting it....yeah cringe worthy!!
I think the question is whether this kid has the strength of personality to stay on the straight path...I really hope he does because he is some athlete.
Callaway looks and behaves like a school kid. You can tell he is immature and is probably easily led. There were a lot of cringe worthy moments in episode 2 but I think the worst was when hue made him stand up and apologise in front of his team mates. I dont think that was necessary anyway, another easy target for hue to try and exert his authority....but the way callaway stood there swinging his arms, and then a rather weak apology, and then hue just accepting it....yeah cringe worthy!!
I think the question is whether this kid has the strength of personality to stay on the straight path...I really hope he does because he is some athlete.
Calloway is a big time introvert. I’m not sure l’ve ever seen a prodessional athlete as uncomfortable with public speaking or in front of a camara than he is. For him, that apology to the team was probably one of the most difficult things he was asked to do in camp. I bet he rehearsed that one sentence a thousand times in his mind beforehand.
It’s something that really interests me about him. Everyone likes recognition for what they are good at, and for a plus athlete that means stuff like interviews, public appearance, and commercials, and that stuff is waaay outside his comfort zone right now.
Most professional and plenty of college athletes get coaching on what to say in interviews and how to handle those limelight situations. If his career works out he will get better at these things, but right now it’s very evident he has a hard time with it.
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It's interesting to see how Callaway's scouting report is very true. Amazing talent but has made questionable decisions off it. However, everyone also said he was a good kid who just doesn't know any better. I think we are seeing that before our very eyes. Calloway seems like a kid who just doesn't know any better. He's a follower and not a leader, which is ok. Not everyone has to be the alpha dog. He doesn't run his mouth, seems to work hard and accepts coaching well. The team likes him but they see a 21 year old who is still very green to the real world. Haley said it best when he called him a puppy dog. Having Landry on this team is the best thing for Callaway's future. He can see what it takes to work hard, have that right attitude and how to stay out of trouble. I think I like him more now than before the episode, which is surprising to say.
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Callaway looks and behaves like a school kid. You can tell he is immature and is probably easily led. There were a lot of cringe worthy moments in episode 2 but I think the worst was when hue made him stand up and apologise in front of his team mates. I dont think that was necessary anyway, another easy target for hue to try and exert his authority....but the way callaway stood there swinging his arms, and then a rather weak apology, and then hue just accepting it....yeah cringe worthy!!
I think the question is whether this kid has the strength of personality to stay on the straight path...I really hope he does because he is some athlete.
Calloway is a big time introvert. I’m not sure l’ve ever seen a prodessional athlete as uncomfortable with public speaking or in front of a camara than he is. For him, that apology to the team was probably one of the most difficult things he was asked to do in camp. I bet he rehearsed that one sentence a thousand times in his mind beforehand.
It’s something that really interests me about him. Everyone likes recognition for what they are good at, and for a plus athlete that means stuff like interviews, public appearance, and commercials, and that stuff is waaay outside his comfort zone right now.
Most professional and plenty of college athletes get coaching on what to say in interviews and how to handle those limelight situations. If his career works out he will get better at these things, but right now it’s very evident he has a hard time with it.
Calloway is a big time introvert. I’m not sure l’ve ever seen a prodessional athlete as uncomfortable with public speaking or in front of a camara than he is. For him, that apology to the team was probably one of the most difficult things he was asked to do in camp. I bet he rehearsed that one sentence a thousand times in his mind beforehand.
It’s something that really interests me about him. Everyone likes recognition for what they are good at, and for a plus athlete that means stuff like interviews, public appearance, and commercials, and that stuff is waaay outside his comfort zone right now.
Most professional and plenty of college athletes get coaching on what to say in interviews and how to handle those limelight situations. If his career works out he will get better at these things, but right now it’s very evident he has a hard time with it.
Yes I can understand your perspective on him totally, public speaking is my biggest fear...I hate it with a passion. Plus he is very young too, so perhaps we(i) need to cut him some slack....but it does beg the question, why didn't hue go about it in a different way?
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Calloway is a big time introvert. I’m not sure l’ve ever seen a prodessional athlete as uncomfortable with public speaking or in front of a camara than he is. For him, that apology to the team was probably one of the most difficult things he was asked to do in camp. I bet he rehearsed that one sentence a thousand times in his mind beforehand.
It’s something that really interests me about him. Everyone likes recognition for what they are good at, and for a plus athlete that means stuff like interviews, public appearance, and commercials, and that stuff is waaay outside his comfort zone right now.
Most professional and plenty of college athletes get coaching on what to say in interviews and how to handle those limelight situations. If his career works out he will get better at these things, but right now it’s very evident he has a hard time with it.
Yes I can understand your perspective on him totally, public speaking is my biggest fear...I hate it with a passion. Plus he is very young too, so perhaps we(i) need to cut him some slack....but it does beg the question, why didn't hue go about it in a different way?
Yes I can understand your perspective on him totally, public speaking is my biggest fear...I hate it with a passion. Plus he is very young too, so perhaps we(i) need to cut him some slack....but it does beg the question, why didn't hue go about it in a different way?
I dunno. Possibly the same reason he went after his OC? The Hueball is just not HC material IMO. Proved that practically every game since he took over.
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I think that was one of the better coaching moments we were able to see from Hue so far. Being a players coach pays off in situations like that I think considering the wuss-fest that is the modern nfl but we will see.
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Calloway is a big time introvert. I’m not sure l’ve ever seen a prodessional athlete as uncomfortable with public speaking or in front of a camara than he is. For him, that apology to the team was probably one of the most difficult things he was asked to do in camp. I bet he rehearsed that one sentence a thousand times in his mind beforehand.
It’s something that really interests me about him. Everyone likes recognition for what they are good at, and for a plus athlete that means stuff like interviews, public appearance, and commercials, and that stuff is waaay outside his comfort zone right now.
Most professional and plenty of college athletes get coaching on what to say in interviews and how to handle those limelight situations. If his career works out he will get better at these things, but right now it’s very evident he has a hard time with it.
Yes I can understand your perspective on him totally, public speaking is my biggest fear...I hate it with a passion. Plus he is very young too, so perhaps we(i) need to cut him some slack....but it does beg the question, why didn't hue go about it in a different way?
Yes I can understand your perspective on him totally, public speaking is my biggest fear...I hate it with a passion. Plus he is very young too, so perhaps we(i) need to cut him some slack....but it does beg the question, why didn't hue go about it in a different way?
I didn’t think it was a terrible way to go about it. The kid has to learn how to deal with being under a microscope and successes and failures under said microscope. A public apology to his teammates and cameras is a baby step towards that.
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cut callowsy some slack. He played every down the last game and didnt complain and fired out every play. Hats off. Wr's and db's are thw best overall athletes on the field xause they cover so much ground so quickly ON EVERY DOWN. These guys have to.sell the balls coming to.them on every down
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Just watched it last night...
Nassib going all Joe Pesci in Goodfellas during his enlightening financial discussion was possibly the whitest thing I've seen in a minute. "Hey, I'm the only white guy here talking to a bunch of black guys. I guess I need to say F U C K every other word so they'll take me seriously!"
I seriously question the long term viability of Hue and Haley working together.
Landry is good at catching the pigskin.
Hue might be a mediocre head coach, but is a good guy. But man, the guy couldn't inspire a drowning man to jump on a life boat. His speeches to the team were just bad.
John Dorsey is the guy everyone knows, Mr. Alpha Male who asks you a question then starts talking over you three seconds later as you try to answer it.
Just watched it last night...
Nassib going all Joe Pesci in Goodfellas during his enlightening financial discussion was possibly the whitest thing I've seen in a minute. "Hey, I'm the only white guy here talking to a bunch of black guys. I guess I need to say F U C K every other word so they'll take me seriously!"
I seriously question the long term viability of Hue and Haley working together.
Landry is good at catching the pigskin.
Hue might be a mediocre head coach, but is a good guy. But man, the guy couldn't inspire a drowning man to jump on a life boat. His speeches to the team were just bad.
John Dorsey is the guy everyone knows, Mr. Alpha Male who asks you a question then starts talking over you three seconds later as you try to answer it.
Classic stuff! That rates right up there with the "Stiffler's Mom" reply you treated us to you sick bastard!
Here I was all concerned about Landry's audience in the WR Room. For some reason, I always thought Nassib was a modern day Richie Cunningham that hit the weight room after someone kicked sand in his face in life without Fonzi. WRONG! Now, that version of him lining up offsides twice in the Bears' game comes much more into focus. In a world of sic em, sock em and sack em - Lawrence Taylor reminded us you don't have to be the brightest apple in the orchard...
The 2nd episode takes it to another level when OG-G Fabiano from Harvard actually questions the interest percentages Nassib was using from Little's formula. It reminds me of the time my older brother was all buzzed and bragging he bought some land in Florida through a classified ad and my dad said "Congratulations assshole you just bought a swamp!"
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Just watched it last night...
Nassib going all Joe Pesci in Goodfellas during his enlightening financial discussion was possibly the whitest thing I've seen in a minute. "Hey, I'm the only white guy here talking to a bunch of black guys. I guess I need to say F U C K every other word so they'll take me seriously!"
I seriously question the long term viability of Hue and Haley working together.
Landry is good at catching the pigskin.
Hue might be a mediocre head coach, but is a good guy. But man, the guy couldn't inspire a drowning man to jump on a life boat. His speeches to the team were just bad.
John Dorsey is the guy everyone knows, Mr. Alpha Male who asks you a question then starts talking over you three seconds later as you try to answer it.
Classic stuff! That rates right up there with the "Stiffler's Mom" reply you treated us to you sick bastard!
Here I was all concerned about Landry's audience in the WR Room. For some reason, I always thought Nassib was a modern day Richie Cunningham that hit the weight room after someone kicked sand in his face in life without Fonzi. WRONG! Now, that version of him lining up offsides twice in the Bears' game comes much more into focus. In a world of sic em, sock em and sack em - Lawrence Taylor reminded us you don't have to be the brightest apple in the orchard...
The 2nd episode takes it to another level when OG-G Fabiano from Harvard actually questions the interest percentages Nassib was using from Little's formula. It reminds me of the time my older brother was all buzzed and bragging he bought some land in Florida through a classified ad and my dad said "Congratulations assshole you just bought a swamp!"
The 2nd episode takes it to another level when OG-G Fabiano from Harvard actually questions the interest percentages Nassib was using from Little's formula. It reminds me of the time my older brother was all buzzed and bragging he bought some land in Florida through a classified ad and my dad said "Congratulations pooper you just bought a swamp!"
Yeah, it's now called Sun City.? (Actually they did build a Del Webb called Sweetwater near Jacksonville right out of swampland. A Sister-in-law lives there)
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cut callowsy some slack. He played every down the last game and didnt complain and fired out every play. Hats off. Wr's and db's are thw best overall athletes on the field xause they cover so much ground so quickly ON EVERY DOWN. These guys have to.sell the balls coming to.them on every down
cut callowsy some slack. He played every down the last game and didnt complain and fired out every play. Hats off. Wr's and db's are thw best overall athletes on the field xause they cover so much ground so quickly ON EVERY DOWN. These guys have to.sell the balls coming to.them on every down
How thoughtful of Callaway not to complain about hustling for 4 quarters in his audition for a starting job. Any other Pro Football WRs in our division that have ever considered hustling for 4 quarters of football without complaining?
I'm just busting your balls Clevs. But you do realize he's put himself just 1 brain fart away from Roger Goodfella playing God with a suspension that won't be very merciful. WR is the position group we could least afford losing another talented guy to off the field issues. When we're already working around the Josh Gordon thing all this time - the next guy threatening his own playing time off the field isn't going to get sympathy or kid gloves here.
Like you said, you can't be stupid and play at the NFL level. If he's going to be stupid again, he's not going to be playing again. All that's left here is tough love...
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cut callowsy some slack. He played every down the last game and didnt complain and fired out every play. Hats off. Wr's and db's are thw best overall athletes on the field xause they cover so much ground so quickly ON EVERY DOWN. These guys have to.sell the balls coming to.them on every down
How thoughtful of Callaway not to complain about hustling for 4 quarters in his audition for a starting job. Any other Pro Football WRs in our division that have ever considered hustling for 4 quarters of football without complaining?
I'm just busting your balls Clevs. But you do realize he's put himself just 1 brain fart away from Roger Goodfella playing God with a suspension that won't be very merciful. WR is the position group we could least afford losing another talented guy to off the field issues. When we're already working around the Josh Gordon thing all this time - the next guy threatening his own playing time off the field isn't going to get sympathy or kid gloves here.
Like you said, you can't be stupid and play at the NFL level. If he's going to be stupid again, he's not going to be playing again. All that's left here is tough love...
How thoughtful of Callaway not to complain about hustling for 4 quarters in his audition for a starting job. Any other Pro Football WRs in our division that have ever considered hustling for 4 quarters of football without complaining?
I'm just busting your balls Clevs. But you do realize he's put himself just 1 brain fart away from Roger Goodfella playing God with a suspension that won't be very merciful. WR is the position group we could least afford losing another talented guy to off the field issues. When we're already working around the Josh Gordon thing all this time - the next guy threatening his own playing time off the field isn't going to get sympathy or kid gloves here.
Like you said, you can't be stupid and play at the NFL level. If he's going to be stupid again, he's not going to be playing again. All that's left here is tough love...
cmon flugel, some of the best vet wr's in the game wouldnt have come out like that on every play. Remember when gordon was supposedly awesome for us? He still got blown up dustin fox on the all-22 for loafing off the line when the ball wasnt comin to him ergo giving the play away. Thats why i was callimg for gordon to be traded years ago before any troubles started and his trade value was highest. Water under the bridge now he's our special project kid. But point is this calloway kid didnt cry like corey coleman or nothin and even after his TD went back in without complaint.
That sht had to be exhausting.....and to still walk away from the sevondary on that TD, respect!
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How thoughtful of Callaway not to complain about hustling for 4 quarters in his audition for a starting job. Any other Pro Football WRs in our division that have ever considered hustling for 4 quarters of football without complaining?
I'm just busting your balls Clevs. But you do realize he's put himself just 1 brain fart away from Roger Goodfella playing God with a suspension that won't be very merciful. WR is the position group we could least afford losing another talented guy to off the field issues. When we're already working around the Josh Gordon thing all this time - the next guy threatening his own playing time off the field isn't going to get sympathy or kid gloves here.
Like you said, you can't be stupid and play at the NFL level. If he's going to be stupid again, he's not going to be playing again. All that's left here is tough love...
cmon flugel, some of the best vet wr's in the game wouldnt have come out like that on every play. Remember when gordon was supposedly awesome for us? He still got blown up dustin fox on the all-22 for loafing off the line when the ball wasnt comin to him ergo giving the play away. Thats why i was callimg for gordon to be traded years ago before any troubles started and his trade value was highest. Water under the bridge now he's our special project kid. But point is this calloway kid didnt cry like corey coleman or nothin and even after his TD went back in without complaint.
That sht had to be exhausting.....and to still walk away from the sevondary on that TD, respect!
cmon flugel, some of the best vet wr's in the game wouldnt have come out like that on every play. Remember when gordon was supposedly awesome for us? He still got blown up dustin fox on the all-22 for loafing off the line when the ball wasnt comin to him ergo giving the play away. Thats why i was callimg for gordon to be traded years ago before any troubles started and his trade value was highest. Water under the bridge now he's our special project kid. But point is this calloway kid didnt cry like corey coleman or nothin and even after his TD went back in without complaint.
That sht had to be exhausting.....and to still walk away from the sevondary on that TD, respect!
I still remember Gordon practically sabotaging Hoyer by running half-assed routes....
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How thoughtful of Callaway not to complain about hustling for 4 quarters in his audition for a starting job. Any other Pro Football WRs in our division that have ever considered hustling for 4 quarters of football without complaining?
I'm just busting your balls Clevs. But you do realize he's put himself just 1 brain fart away from Roger Goodfella playing God with a suspension that won't be very merciful. WR is the position group we could least afford losing another talented guy to off the field issues. When we're already working around the Josh Gordon thing all this time - the next guy threatening his own playing time off the field isn't going to get sympathy or kid gloves here.
Like you said, you can't be stupid and play at the NFL level. If he's going to be stupid again, he's not going to be playing again. All that's left here is tough love...
cmon flugel, some of the best vet wr's in the game wouldnt have come out like that on every play. Remember when gordon was supposedly awesome for us? He still got blown up dustin fox on the all-22 for loafing off the line when the ball wasnt comin to him ergo giving the play away. Thats why i was callimg for gordon to be traded years ago before any troubles started and his trade value was highest. Water under the bridge now he's our special project kid. But point is this calloway kid didnt cry like corey coleman or nothin and even after his TD went back in without complaint.
That sht had to be exhausting.....and to still walk away from the sevondary on that TD, respect!
cmon flugel, some of the best vet wr's in the game wouldnt have come out like that on every play. Remember when gordon was supposedly awesome for us? He still got blown up dustin fox on the all-22 for loafing off the line when the ball wasnt comin to him ergo giving the play away. Thats why i was callimg for gordon to be traded years ago before any troubles started and his trade value was highest. Water under the bridge now he's our special project kid. But point is this calloway kid didnt cry like corey coleman or nothin and even after his TD went back in without complaint.
That sht had to be exhausting.....and to still walk away from the sevondary on that TD, respect!
Like I said in the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph - I was just busting your balls Clevs. I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. I thought his catch on the sideline was even more impressive than the TD from the give-me YAC Mayfield gifted him with. Unfortunately, Callaway's past has him just 1 strike away from Roger Goodfella playing God with a very unpredictable length of suspension.
As for Gordon, do you remember what fan in here used to frequently post he wanted us to trade Gordon as soon as it's ever possible all those years he never had any intention of getting clean? I can assure you there weren't that many guys posting they agreed beside Canton Mike and a couple others that realized the dream season of 2013 was quite a while ago. His departure from us in 2017 finally got some to realize it may never happen if getting clean isn't ever going to be his goal/priority.
Having said all that, this was the first off-season Gordon gave a sincere commitment to get clean and in the best shape of his football career (still only 27 years old with minimal wear and tear I might add). Enough so to change my mind into wanting him stay here finally giving us some entertainment value on all that football talent he's kept hostage. Refreshing to see talented WRs here driven to succeed. I'm glad Gordon reported back to camp today. Never thought I'd ever have a reason to type such a thing. Glad I do though...
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I'll add one thing...
Given the level of play of the Law Firm of Landry, Higgins and Calloway... JG is going to have to approach his early form to get a starting job. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing for Josh is debatable, but I think it's a positive.
A good bit of his success is staking a starting spot will rest on his conditioning. We haven't seen the workout-warrior posts this go'round as we have in the past.
Ain't competition wonderful?
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I'll add one thing...
Given the level of play of the Law Firm of Landry, Higgins and Calloway... JG is going to have to approach his early form to get a starting job. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing for Josh is debatable, but I think it's a positive.
A good bit of his success is staking a starting spot will rest on his conditioning. We haven't seen the workout-warrior posts this go'round as we have in the past.
Ain't competition wonderful?
I'll add one thing...
Given the level of play of the Law Firm of Landry, Higgins and Calloway... JG is going to have to approach his early form to get a starting job. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing for Josh is debatable, but I think it's a positive.
A good bit of his success is staking a starting spot will rest on his conditioning. We haven't seen the workout-warrior posts this go'round as we have in the past.
Ain't competition wonderful?
Oh, I think he'll be playing week 1 and starting week 2. He'll be back on top of the depth chart and Calloway the Three and Higgie the 4.
I'm expecting big things from Cab, but let's remember he is only 21 with two years college experience, did not play last year. And Higgie is a backup. Josh and Landry are the starters.
Gordon has clearly been working out hard at UF, I don't think conditioning is going to be much of an issue, knowing the new offense and the new QBs is more of an issue.
Zombo
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cmon flugel, some of the best vet wr's in the game wouldnt have come out like that on every play. Remember when gordon was supposedly awesome for us? He still got blown up dustin fox on the all-22 for loafing off the line when the ball wasnt comin to him ergo giving the play away. Thats why i was callimg for gordon to be traded years ago before any troubles started and his trade value was highest. Water under the bridge now he's our special project kid. But point is this calloway kid didnt cry like corey coleman or nothin and even after his TD went back in without complaint.
That sht had to be exhausting.....and to still walk away from the sevondary on that TD, respect!
I still remember Gordon practically sabotaging Hoyer by running half-assed routes....
I still remember Gordon practically sabotaging Hoyer by running half-assed routes....
Me too.
The only reason I could think of for him doing that, was to get Hoyer replaced with JFF.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I still remember Gordon practically sabotaging Hoyer by running half-assed routes....
Me too.
The only reason I could think of for him doing that, was to get Hoyer replaced with JFF.
Me too.
The only reason I could think of for him doing that, was to get Hoyer replaced with JFF.
More proof of Gordon's poor common sense.
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I still remember Gordon practically sabotaging Hoyer by running half-assed routes....
Me too.
The only reason I could think of for him doing that, was to get Hoyer replaced with JFF.
Me too.
The only reason I could think of for him doing that, was to get Hoyer replaced with JFF.
no, he was a lazy spoiled brat that thought he was like the roman empire of nfl offenses....all plays come through me. I think that attitude is long gone ofc but at the time, yeah....
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