Avery and Nassib should be our LDE rotation
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Exactly, Kizer didn’t stand a chance.
And as a result, no one will ever stand a chance.
Because the past dictates the future...
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Since when has our edge D tightened up when Nassib came in?
like i previously described...he fights upfield and gets the stack. Often he can shed as well and obstruct the runner, but he almost always forces the runner inside. Thats what the edge is supposed to do. Ive been listening for 3 years now about how thats not ogbahs job, yet when nassib comes in its noq the LDE's job?
Ur a coach flugel, if u see one of ur edge defenders jersey number while a run is breaking to the outside dont u chew him out fir getting turn blocked?
like i previously described...he fights upfield and gets the stack. Often he can shed as well and obstruct the runner, but he almost always forces the runner inside. Thats what the edge is supposed to do. Ive been listening for 3 years now about how thats not ogbahs job, yet when nassib comes in its noq the LDE's job?
Ur a coach flugel, if u see one of ur edge defenders jersey number while a run is breaking to the outside dont u chew him out fir getting turn blocked?
I was a coach in the late 80s early 90s. I usually started the guys that performed the best at their positions exactly like Williams did when he started Ogbah over Nassib.
Nassib looks good on Hard Knocks when he's not facing Hubbard, which means our guy drafted 65th overall does well against backups. I like his work ethic and get a kick out of him on the show. That comes in handy when we need fresh legs and O2.
Again, last year, PFF ranked Ogbah as elite against the run which Gregg Williams brought up in a presser last year. I also shared this about Ogbah's 2017 season before he went on IR in another recent thread about DEs from a guy that coached defensive line at the college level - Brent Sobleski @brentsobleski "...Ogbah is having a season similar to Clowney's 2016 campaign. ... no one has made more tackles at or behind LOS against (run) this year."
Next to Joe Schobert, I thought he was our most improved guy in the front 7 last year. Therefore, I don't agree with you that he sucks no matter how many times you try to sell me on it. Just out of curiosity, why do you want me and everyone to think he's so terrible? I think his foot injury has impacted his camp this year; but Gregg Williams has great expectations for him when/if healthy again.
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ive been pointing out how badly he gets turn blocked for now the 3rd year. I keep seeing the same play everytime a run breaks over our left side and #90 is in there. He gets his pads turned sideways and thats that its over. Ive yet to hear an explanation from anyone for why that keeps happening, all i hear is charlie browns mom mumbling "whaawhaa pff whaawhaa".
and i dont want to hear about being hurt, bosa started his rookie year with a bad hammie and his tech was as good as it got in the nfl. Myles hopped out onto the field last year on one leg but he still got upfield into the lanes. He couldnt always shed, he would allow his arms to get folded, and i was here critiquing him for it. But he at least had his body as an obstruction to the off tackle run.
PFF are professional fanbase trolls, not sure why anyone hasnt caught that yet.
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Even the insults are boring in this thread....
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Seriously, what's the rationale for the love for Nassib at this point? OK, he's worth having as a backup.. at what point has he ever done anything better than below-average in a non-preseason game? What type of ahistorical scotch are you drinking to celebrate the arrival of Monday?
His actual performance to date as a 3rd-round pick is barely meeting expectations..
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Seriously, what's the rationale for the love for Nassib at this point? OK, he's worth having as a backup.. at what point has he ever done anything better than below-average in a non-preseason game? What type of ahistorical scotch are you drinking to celebrate the arrival of Monday?
His actual performance to date as a 3rd-round pick is barely meeting expectations..
Seriously, what's the rationale for the love for Nassib at this point? OK, he's worth having as a backup.. at what point has he ever done anything better than below-average in a non-preseason game? What type of ahistorical scotch are you drinking to celebrate the arrival of Monday?
His actual performance to date as a 3rd-round pick is barely meeting expectations..
agreed. if u read what write about him, his only use is as edge protection. His pass rushing is below avg. Ive critiqued him and ogbahs edge rush for over 2 years now. Which is why i put averys name first in the thread title as he should, right now, be splitting reps with nassib at LDE and then we'll see in a couple games if he can just taje over that spot full time.
we need to see what we have in avery now because i still think we need to target a LDE in the draft next year
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Defenses need edge setters, too...
Put Nassib in for run situations... trot him off in passing situations.
If he gets trapped on-field,than we blitz... not that Williams needs a reason to blitz.
Seriously... it's not as if run-stopping sackmasters fall from trees.
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Seriously, what's the rationale for the love for Nassib at this point? OK, he's worth having as a backup.. at what point has he ever done anything better than below-average in a non-preseason game? What type of ahistorical scotch are you drinking to celebrate the arrival of Monday?
His actual performance to date as a 3rd-round pick is barely meeting expectations..
agreed. if u read what write about him, his only use is as edge protection. His pass rushing is below avg. Ive critiqued him and ogbahs edge rush for over 2 years now. Which is why i put averys name first in the thread title as he should, right now, be splitting reps with nassib at LDE and then we'll see in a couple games if he can just taje over that spot full time.
we need to see what we have in avery now because i still think we need to target a LDE in the draft next year
we need to see what we have in avery now because i still think we need to target a LDE in the draft next year
top tier DT would finish off this defense...ogbah's not the slouch you seem to think he is. cant have all pros at every position.
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we need to see what we have in avery now because i still think we need to target a LDE in the draft next year
top tier DT would finish off this defense...ogbah's not the slouch you seem to think he is. cant have all pros at every position.
cant have all pros at every position.
The Pro Bowl does!
Seriously, yours is the point. As long as the rest are very good role players you can have a lot of success with a couple 1st team All-pros and a couple 2nd teams as long as your QB and a pass rushers are in the 1st team conversation. (Sounds a lot like the Pats doesn't it?)
Nassib can fill a run stuffing role. And if trapped on-field, then Kirk outside Carl can supply the pressure. It's not a bad situation. Especially if there's a decent push up the middle.
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we need to see what we have in avery now because i still think we need to target a LDE in the draft next year
top tier DT would finish off this defense...ogbah's not the slouch you seem to think he is. cant have all pros at every position.
top tier DT would finish off this defense...ogbah's not the slouch you seem to think he is. cant have all pros at every position.
Wait!!! Didn't we have Danny Shelton for that?
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ive been pointing out how badly he gets turn blocked for now the 3rd year. I keep seeing the same play everytime a run breaks over our left side and #90 is in there. He gets his pads turned sideways and thats that its over. Ive yet to hear an explanation from anyone for why that keeps happening, all i hear is charlie browns mom mumbling "whaawhaa pff whaawhaa".
and i dont want to hear about being hurt, bosa started his rookie year with a bad hammie and his tech was as good as it got in the nfl. Myles hopped out onto the field last year on one leg but he still got upfield into the lanes. He couldnt always shed, he would allow his arms to get folded, and i was here critiquing him for it. But he at least had his body as an obstruction to the off tackle run.
PFF are professional fanbase trolls, not sure why anyone hasnt caught that yet.
ive been pointing out how badly he gets turn blocked for now the 3rd year. I keep seeing the same play everytime a run breaks over our left side and #90 is in there. He gets his pads turned sideways and thats that its over. Ive yet to hear an explanation from anyone for why that keeps happening, all i hear is charlie browns mom mumbling "whaawhaa pff whaawhaa".
and i dont want to hear about being hurt, bosa started his rookie year with a bad hammie and his tech was as good as it got in the nfl. Myles hopped out onto the field last year on one leg but he still got upfield into the lanes. He couldnt always shed, he would allow his arms to get folded, and i was here critiquing him for it. But he at least had his body as an obstruction to the off tackle run.
PFF are professional fanbase trolls, not sure why anyone hasnt caught that yet.
So why doesn't Nassib start over Ogbah when both are healthy? When are you going to get that the DC that watches both practice every day started Ogbah over Nassib? You see 1 play while you're slamming beers and think you know more than our DC. It doesn't work like that....
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ive been pointing out how badly he gets turn blocked for now the 3rd year. I keep seeing the same play everytime a run breaks over our left side and #90 is in there. He gets his pads turned sideways and thats that its over. Ive yet to hear an explanation from anyone for why that keeps happening, all i hear is charlie browns mom mumbling "whaawhaa pff whaawhaa".
and i dont want to hear about being hurt, bosa started his rookie year with a bad hammie and his tech was as good as it got in the nfl. Myles hopped out onto the field last year on one leg but he still got upfield into the lanes. He couldnt always shed, he would allow his arms to get folded, and i was here critiquing him for it. But he at least had his body as an obstruction to the off tackle run.
PFF are professional fanbase trolls, not sure why anyone hasnt caught that yet.
So why doesn't Nassib start over Ogbah when both are healthy? When are you going to get that the DC that watches both practice every day started Ogbah over Nassib? You see 1 play while you're slamming beers and think you know more than our DC. It doesn't work like that....
So why doesn't Nassib start over Ogbah when both are healthy? When are you going to get that the DC that watches both practice every day started Ogbah over Nassib? You see 1 play while you're slamming beers and think you know more than our DC. It doesn't work like that....
ive been asking that question for 3 years. Ogbah is a better pass rusher, thats it. And not by really a whole lot he's just stronger than nassib. Had nassib addressed his physical deficiencies coming out of college better, i thi k he'd be starting. Imo, At 6'7 he gives up leverage that he doesnt make up for with improved leg drive.
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ive been pointing out how badly he gets turn blocked for now the 3rd year. I keep seeing the same play everytime a run breaks over our left side and #90 is in there. He gets his pads turned sideways and thats that its over. Ive yet to hear an explanation from anyone for why that keeps happening, all i hear is charlie browns mom mumbling "whaawhaa pff whaawhaa".
and i dont want to hear about being hurt, bosa started his rookie year with a bad hammie and his tech was as good as it got in the nfl. Myles hopped out onto the field last year on one leg but he still got upfield into the lanes. He couldnt always shed, he would allow his arms to get folded, and i was here critiquing him for it. But he at least had his body as an obstruction to the off tackle run.
PFF are professional fanbase trolls, not sure why anyone hasnt caught that yet.
So why doesn't Nassib start over Ogbah when both are healthy? When are you going to get that the DC that watches both practice every day started Ogbah over Nassib? You see 1 play while you're slamming beers and think you know more than our DC. It doesn't work like that....
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Wait!!! Didn't we have Danny Shelton for that?
I said top tier DT ?
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So why doesn't Nassib start over Ogbah when both are healthy? When are you going to get that the DC that watches both practice every day started Ogbah over Nassib? You see 1 play while you're slamming beers and think you know more than our DC. It doesn't work like that....
ive been asking that question for 3 years. Ogbah is a better pass rusher, thats it. And not by really a whole lot he's just stronger than nassib. Had nassib addressed his physical deficiencies coming out of college better, i thi k he'd be starting. Imo, At 6'7 he gives up leverage that he doesnt make up for with improved leg drive.
ive been asking that question for 3 years. Ogbah is a better pass rusher, thats it. And not by really a whole lot he's just stronger than nassib. Had nassib addressed his physical deficiencies coming out of college better, i thi k he'd be starting. Imo, At 6'7 he gives up leverage that he doesnt make up for with improved leg drive.
For a guy that wants to be heard by others you certainly refuse to acknowledge what others are saying. I'll make 1 last attempt. My eye ball test last year said Ogbah was the most improved guy in our front 7 East of Schobert. While we're at it with our MLB Schobert - he tied for either the NFL or the Conference lead in Tackles. Does that happen if the edges aren't funneling runs inside? Not likely. Another thing that supports such a theory is our DTs were very successful against the run as well.
Here's some agreements with my eye ball test. Brett Sobleski (a Dline Coach) wrote at 1 point in 2017 nobody made more tackles behind or at the line of scrimmage than Ogbah since Clowney in 2016. That's not a guy getting his butt kicky-kickied. Gregg Williams was the one that brought up PFF had Ogbah ranked #1 against the run regardless of your opinion of it. Forget PFF and consider the same guy (Gregg Williams) who coached Jevon Kearse to Rookie of the Year with 14.5 sacks and a SB: and Saints DE Will Smith had the most sacks of his career (13) for a SB Champion. What do you think he doesn't understand about the edge?
Did Ogbah get pinned in on some occasions? Nobody said he didn't. I saw a lot more of that in 2016 than I did in 2017. You're posting it's all you've seen from him. And keep in mind, neither of us in this debate were at any of the 2017 practices justifying why Ogbah was the starter and Nassib was the fresh legs/breather subbing for starters or injured starters. We didn't see one 2017 Okie drill. I LIKE your energy and enthusiasm about DEs and I even value your opinions believe it or not. Not that I'm a role model with this, but sometimes you need to acknowledge what others are trying to say to you sometimes particularly when we give you the why we disagree. When you don't - that's when I bust your balls. Moving forward, just exhale and be happy we have some young guys that'll compete if someone gets complacent or can't do the job.
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the browns are going to have a legit rush package with Avery, oghbah, og, garrett.
nassib is your classic try hard effort guy i would keep him over orchard he seems to make more plays and is trying to get better. He was noticeably bigger this year give him another year or 2 in the weight room he could be something. that is what you want in your developmental backup players.
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the browns are going to have a legit rush package with Avery, oghbah, og, garrett.
nassib is your classic try hard effort guy i would keep him over orchard he seems to make more plays and is trying to get better. He was noticeably bigger this year give him another year or 2 in the weight room he could be something. that is what you want in your developmental backup players.
the browns are going to have a legit rush package with Avery, oghbah, og, garrett.
nassib is your classic try hard effort guy i would keep him over orchard he seems to make more plays and is trying to get better. He was noticeably bigger this year give him another year or 2 in the weight room he could be something. that is what you want in your developmental backup players.
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ive been asking that question for 3 years. Ogbah is a better pass rusher, thats it. And not by really a whole lot he's just stronger than nassib. Had nassib addressed his physical deficiencies coming out of college better, i thi k he'd be starting. Imo, At 6'7 he gives up leverage that he doesnt make up for with improved leg drive.
For a guy that wants to be heard by others you certainly refuse to acknowledge what others are saying. I'll make 1 last attempt. My eye ball test last year said Ogbah was the most improved guy in our front 7 East of Schobert. While we're at it with our MLB Schobert - he tied for either the NFL or the Conference lead in Tackles. Does that happen if the edges aren't funneling runs inside? Not likely. Another thing that supports such a theory is our DTs were very successful against the run as well.
Here's some agreements with my eye ball test. Brett Sobleski (a Dline Coach) wrote at 1 point in 2017 nobody made more tackles behind or at the line of scrimmage than Ogbah since Clowney in 2016. That's not a guy getting his butt kicky-kickied. Gregg Williams was the one that brought up PFF had Ogbah ranked #1 against the run regardless of your opinion of it. Forget PFF and consider the same guy (Gregg Williams) who coached Jevon Kearse to Rookie of the Year with 14.5 sacks and a SB: and Saints DE Will Smith had the most sacks of his career (13) for a SB Champion. What do you think he doesn't understand about the edge?
Did Ogbah get pinned in on some occasions? Nobody said he didn't. I saw a lot more of that in 2016 than I did in 2017. You're posting it's all you've seen from him. And keep in mind, neither of us in this debate were at any of the 2017 practices justifying why Ogbah was the starter and Nassib was the fresh legs/breather subbing for starters or injured starters. We didn't see one 2017 Okie drill. I LIKE your energy and enthusiasm about DEs and I even value your opinions believe it or not. Not that I'm a role model with this, but sometimes you need to acknowledge what others are trying to say to you sometimes particularly when we give you the why we disagree. When you don't - that's when I bust your balls. Moving forward, just exhale and be happy we have some young guys that'll compete if someone gets complacent or can't do the job.
For a guy that wants to be heard by others you certainly refuse to acknowledge what others are saying. I'll make 1 last attempt. My eye ball test last year said Ogbah was the most improved guy in our front 7 East of Schobert. While we're at it with our MLB Schobert - he tied for either the NFL or the Conference lead in Tackles. Does that happen if the edges aren't funneling runs inside? Not likely. Another thing that supports such a theory is our DTs were very successful against the run as well.
Here's some agreements with my eye ball test. Brett Sobleski (a Dline Coach) wrote at 1 point in 2017 nobody made more tackles behind or at the line of scrimmage than Ogbah since Clowney in 2016. That's not a guy getting his butt kicky-kickied. Gregg Williams was the one that brought up PFF had Ogbah ranked #1 against the run regardless of your opinion of it. Forget PFF and consider the same guy (Gregg Williams) who coached Jevon Kearse to Rookie of the Year with 14.5 sacks and a SB: and Saints DE Will Smith had the most sacks of his career (13) for a SB Champion. What do you think he doesn't understand about the edge?
Did Ogbah get pinned in on some occasions? Nobody said he didn't. I saw a lot more of that in 2016 than I did in 2017. You're posting it's all you've seen from him. And keep in mind, neither of us in this debate were at any of the 2017 practices justifying why Ogbah was the starter and Nassib was the fresh legs/breather subbing for starters or injured starters. We didn't see one 2017 Okie drill. I LIKE your energy and enthusiasm about DEs and I even value your opinions believe it or not. Not that I'm a role model with this, but sometimes you need to acknowledge what others are trying to say to you sometimes particularly when we give you the why we disagree. When you don't - that's when I bust your balls. Moving forward, just exhale and be happy we have some young guys that'll compete if someone gets complacent or can't do the job.
hey im not discounting ur opinion, im explaining "my" position. I havent been coming here for 2+ years since we drafted them shouting "ogbah and nassib suck cause i said so". Ive been giving clear and concise examples this whole time.
Im gonna leave this go for a few games. No sense in doing this during preaeason even tho garrett doesnt seem to mind doing it right on his side during preseason....anyway......im gonna keep eyes on this and im gonna jot down timestamps on plays that i feel illustrate my critiques for going on 3 years
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