Trade for Khalil Mack
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I'm not a big fan of the player that thinks he's gotta get so much money that he cripples his own team.....or a new team. I just don't see it as being a 'team player'.
I'm not a big fan of the player that thinks he's gotta get so much money that he cripples his own team.....or a new team. I just don't see it as being a 'team player'.
Considering a player can have a career ending, life altering injury at any moment, I have no issue with someone trying to get as much as they can.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I'm not a big fan of the player that thinks he's gotta get so much money that he cripples his own team.....or a new team. I just don't see it as being a 'team player'.
Considering a player can have a career ending, life altering injury at any moment, I have no issue with someone trying to get as much as they can.
Considering a player can have a career ending, life altering injury at any moment, I have no issue with someone trying to get as much as they can.
i agree with that sentiment.....to a point. Football is too much of a team sport. In basketball, one player can take u into the finals...as we know. In football, too many guys got to be paid. Players can go too far.
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I'm not a big fan of the player that thinks he's gotta get so much money that he cripples his own team.....or a new team. I just don't see it as being a 'team player'.
Considering a player can have a career ending, life altering injury at any moment, I have no issue with someone trying to get as much as they can.
Considering a player can have a career ending, life altering injury at any moment, I have no issue with someone trying to get as much as they can.
Mack is scheduled to make $13 million this year. It's apparently not enough to make him happy. BTW, the Raiders have cap issues. That's what happens when you give Carr a $125 million contract.
1) Because he’s 100 times better and would make us elite along with Garrett for the next 4+ years. 2) Doesn’t matter if we are one player away, he’d be around until we contend. Secondly we may contend for playoffs this year 3) agree but a bird in th hand is better than a Mack home on the couch. 4) my bad lol merge away
1) You don't know that, as far as him making the Browns an elite D. 2) Throwing huge money at Mack? So what happened when the Dolphins gave Suh a humongous contract?
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Considering a player can have a career ending, life altering injury at any moment, I have no issue with someone trying to get as much as they can.
i agree with that sentiment.....to a point. Football is too much of a team sport. In basketball, one player can take u into the finals...as we know. In football, too many guys got to be paid. Players can go too far.
i agree with that sentiment.....to a point. Football is too much of a team sport. In basketball, one player can take u into the finals...as we know. In football, too many guys got to be paid. Players can go too far.
If he goes to far the market will react accordingly. If a GM pays a player so much that it cripples their roster that is on the GM, not the player, IMO.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
i agree with that sentiment.....to a point. Football is too much of a team sport. In basketball, one player can take u into the finals...as we know. In football, too many guys got to be paid. Players can go too far.
If he goes to far the market will react accordingly. If a GM pays a player so much that it cripples their roster that is on the GM, not the player, IMO.
If he goes to far the market will react accordingly. If a GM pays a player so much that it cripples their roster that is on the GM, not the player, IMO.
i agree, but the player also bares some responsibility. Especially a vet like mack, he's no dummy....he knows how the nfl works at this point.
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Hey fellas, long time no post.
This is one of those things I have said in the past that just is a pet peeve to me.
"I wouldn't trade x pick for him, look at what we COULD get." True. Could get a great player, or could get Gilbert. Maybe not at 8, but it's not like Gilbert was going to be a low pick, he still would have been a 1st rounder. I did see him as a bust because of his skills, but that is beside the point.
Mack IS PROVEN. As in Defensive Player of the year proven.
I am not talking about the guys who are saying something about his salary, even though you get what you pay for, again DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR.
I'm talking about people who cover picks more than proven. If Mack were in the past draft with his tape from NFL, it wouldn't have been a question on #1. But but but, the LT from Alabama COULD be good
Hey fellas, long time no post.
This is one of those things I have said in the past that just is a pet peeve to me.
"I wouldn't trade x pick for him, look at what we COULD get." True. Could get a great player, or could get Gilbert. Maybe not at 8, but it's not like Gilbert was going to be a low pick, he still would have been a 1st rounder. I did see him as a bust because of his skills, but that is beside the point.
Mack IS PROVEN. As in Defensive Player of the year proven.
I am not talking about the guys who are saying something about his salary, even though you get what you pay for, again DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR.
I'm talking about people who cover picks more than proven. If Mack were in the past draft with his tape from NFL, it wouldn't have been a question on #1. But but but, the LT from Alabama COULD be good
Welcome back, Gunz...
I'm not willing to assume misses in the draft and while I discount need,I do not ignore it completely.
As for pass-rushers...there's a pretty good list of elite to near-elite ones who have been selected after the 1st round.
That said, I was shocked when Mack was there when we had the 4th pick (IIRC it was the Bortles surprise that left him on the Board). I'd been a Watkins guy up 'til that moment. I converted very quickly only to be crushed when we traded down to take a CB that honestly was not even on my radar.
john dorsey doesnt mess around if he really is looking to improve the team any way possible he should call and see.
I dont know if it would work out salary cap wise in the next couple years with mack and garrett are going to be $100+ million contract players.
Agree... you have to call... but the price is going to be ridiculously high early. Keeping a player's rights is the only leverage a team has so the price is not exactly enticing.
i was a mack honk before any of u were.
Ahem... two years of U of Buffalo here...
I'm not a big fan of the player that thinks he's gotta get so much money that he cripples his own team.....or a new team. I just don't see it as being a 'team player'.
Child, please... Did you ever turn down a raise for the good of the company? To keep in line with your peers? Didn't think so.
This is his shot to cash.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
yeah i rem tour, it was like us and one other guy...maybe tia? in any case, he's making 13m right now? he's not on his rookie contract anymore right?
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i agree with that sentiment.....to a point. Football is too much of a team sport. In basketball, one player can take u into the finals...as we know. In football, too many guys got to be paid. Players can go too far.
If he goes to far the market will react accordingly. If a GM pays a player so much that it cripples their roster that is on the GM, not the player, IMO.
If he goes to far the market will react accordingly. If a GM pays a player so much that it cripples their roster that is on the GM, not the player, IMO.
I heard this on the radio this morning: that Jon Gruden is actually the guy with the say so on Mack's contract, not the GM McKenzie, or even the owner Mark Davis. And Jon has been talking to his brother Jay....who as you know is the HC of the Redskins. Recall that it is the Redskins that twice put the franchise tag on Kirk Cousins. It was speculated that the Raiders may do the same with Mack: Make him play out his contract he has, then do a double franchise tag on him for two years beyond that.
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If he goes to far the market will react accordingly. If a GM pays a player so much that it cripples their roster that is on the GM, not the player, IMO.
i agree, but the player also bares some responsibility. Especially a vet like mack, he's no dummy....he knows how the nfl works at this point.
i agree, but the player also bares some responsibility. Especially a vet like mack, he's no dummy....he knows how the nfl works at this point.
Which is exactly why he should get as much as he can. "Not For Long" and all that
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thays fine but if he bitches then that tge raiders dont play meaningful games in december cause theres not enough talent around him......
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thays fine but if he bitches then that tge raiders dont play meaningful games in december cause theres not enough talent around him......
thays fine but if he bitches then that tge raiders dont play meaningful games in december cause theres not enough talent around him......
I think we have much more overall talent than Oakland now
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Hey fellas, long time no post.
This is one of those things I have said in the past that just is a pet peeve to me.
"I wouldn't trade x pick for him, look at what we COULD get." True. Could get a great player, or could get Gilbert. Maybe not at 8, but it's not like Gilbert was going to be a low pick, he still would have been a 1st rounder. I did see him as a bust because of his skills, but that is beside the point.
Mack IS PROVEN. As in Defensive Player of the year proven.
I am not talking about the guys who are saying something about his salary, even though you get what you pay for, again DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR.
I'm talking about people who cover picks more than proven. If Mack were in the past draft with his tape from NFL, it wouldn't have been a question on #1. But but but, the LT from Alabama COULD be good
Welcome back, Gunz...
I'm not willing to assume misses in the draft and while I discount need,I do not ignore it completely.
As for pass-rushers...there's a pretty good list of elite to near-elite ones who have been selected after the 1st round.
That said, I was shocked when Mack was there when we had the 4th pick (IIRC it was the Bortles surprise that left him on the Board). I'd been a Watkins guy up 'til that moment. I converted very quickly only to be crushed when we traded down to take a CB that honestly was not even on my radar.
john dorsey doesnt mess around if he really is looking to improve the team any way possible he should call and see.
I dont know if it would work out salary cap wise in the next couple years with mack and garrett are going to be $100+ million contract players.
Agree... you have to call... but the price is going to be ridiculously high early. Keeping a player's rights is the only leverage a team has so the price is not exactly enticing.
i was a mack honk before any of u were.
Ahem... two years of U of Buffalo here...
I'm not a big fan of the player that thinks he's gotta get so much money that he cripples his own team.....or a new team. I just don't see it as being a 'team player'.
Child, please... Did you ever turn down a raise for the good of the company? To keep in line with your peers? Didn't think so.
This is his shot to cash.
Welcome back, Gunz...
I'm not willing to assume misses in the draft and while I discount need,I do not ignore it completely.
As for pass-rushers...there's a pretty good list of elite to near-elite ones who have been selected after the 1st round.
That said, I was shocked when Mack was there when we had the 4th pick (IIRC it was the Bortles surprise that left him on the Board). I'd been a Watkins guy up 'til that moment. I converted very quickly only to be crushed when we traded down to take a CB that honestly was not even on my radar.
Agree... you have to call... but the price is going to be ridiculously high early. Keeping a player's rights is the only leverage a team has so the price is not exactly enticing.
Ahem... two years of U of Buffalo here...
Child, please... Did you ever turn down a raise for the good of the company? To keep in line with your peers? Didn't think so.
This is his shot to cash.
It's not assuming a miss though. Chubb could be a pro bowl player for Denver, but there is a difference in PB and DPOY.
It is just a pet peeve, and this isnt the first time I have said something about people and coveting picks more than proven player. The example of Gilbert is that maybe he goes 16th, but he was still going to be a 1st round pick. So everyone missed on a grade.
But an example of what I am talking about from past. "No way do you trade a 2nd or 3rd for Landry". Yes the Browns got him for less, but that wasnt the argument being made. That argument was that pick was more valuable. Once the Browns got him, "we just got the best slot receiver in the NFL". And usually it's the same guys who say "that was a terrible pick we took at x"
Just be consistent, not one set of rules at one point, another next week, and yet another the week after.
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What is this "con-sis-ten-cy" of which you speak???
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If he goes to far the market will react accordingly. If a GM pays a player so much that it cripples their roster that is on the GM, not the player, IMO.
I heard this on the radio this morning: that Jon Gruden is actually the guy with the say so on Mack's contract, not the GM McKenzie, or even the owner Mark Davis. And Jon has been talking to his brother Jay....who as you know is the HC of the Redskins. Recall that it is the Redskins that twice put the franchise tag on Kirk Cousins. It was speculated that the Raiders may do the same with Mack: Make him play out his contract he has, then do a double franchise tag on him for two years beyond that.
I heard this on the radio this morning: that Jon Gruden is actually the guy with the say so on Mack's contract, not the GM McKenzie, or even the owner Mark Davis. And Jon has been talking to his brother Jay....who as you know is the HC of the Redskins. Recall that it is the Redskins that twice put the franchise tag on Kirk Cousins. It was speculated that the Raiders may do the same with Mack: Make him play out his contract he has, then do a double franchise tag on him for two years beyond that.
Some people weren't paying attention- no offense to you Gip. The red is exactly what I've been saying. Will Mack sit out and pout to the tune of $13 million this year? The Raiders don't currently have the cap room to give him a huge signing bonus.
All this Mack to the Browns is wishful speculation by some Browns fans here. The odds of him actually landing in Cleveland are incredibly remote.
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Hey fellas, long time no post.
This is one of those things I have said in the past that just is a pet peeve to me.
"I wouldn't trade x pick for him, look at what we COULD get." True. Could get a great player, or could get Gilbert. Maybe not at 8, but it's not like Gilbert was going to be a low pick, he still would have been a 1st rounder. I did see him as a bust because of his skills, but that is beside the point.
Mack IS PROVEN. As in Defensive Player of the year proven.
I am not talking about the guys who are saying something about his salary, even though you get what you pay for, again DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR.
I'm talking about people who cover picks more than proven. If Mack were in the past draft with his tape from NFL, it wouldn't have been a question on #1. But but but, the LT from Alabama COULD be good
This is one of those things I have said in the past that just is a pet peeve to me.
"I wouldn't trade x pick for him, look at what we COULD get."
And there is that. Right? What would you be doing with the draft pick? Draft someone that you HOPE might be somewhere near as good as Mack? If you can work out a deal, might as well get the real thing. - He's obviously a talent that would make any defense more than a little bit better. But he's one of those guys that has to be paid like he's the best player in the league, by far. I'm reminded of a Ravens team photo after Flaco signed his mega deal. The team was sitting on a set of bleachers.....and every player except Flaco was edited out of the picture.
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This is one of those things I have said in the past that just is a pet peeve to me.
"I wouldn't trade x pick for him, look at what we COULD get."
And there is that. Right? What would you be doing with the draft pick? Draft someone that you HOPE might be somewhere near as good as Mack? If you can work out a deal, might as well get the real thing. - He's obviously a talent that would make any defense more than a little bit better. But he's one of those guys that has to be paid like he's the best player in the league, by far. I'm reminded of a Ravens team photo after Flaco signed his mega deal. The team was sitting on a set of bleachers.....and every player except Flaco was edited out of the picture.
And there is that. Right? What would you be doing with the draft pick? Draft someone that you HOPE might be somewhere near as good as Mack? If you can work out a deal, might as well get the real thing. - He's obviously a talent that would make any defense more than a little bit better. But he's one of those guys that has to be paid like he's the best player in the league, by far. I'm reminded of a Ravens team photo after Flaco signed his mega deal. The team was sitting on a set of bleachers.....and every player except Flaco was edited out of the picture.
I'm not saying you should do it no matter what. Of course the contract plays into it. That isnt my beef. Mine is with exactly what I wrote, cant do this because X could be there and could be good.
I dont believe any team has ever drafted someone especially high and said, yea we took him because he isnt going to be good. Raiders thought Russell was their future, Browns with Gilbert, and Patriots didn't draft Brady to be best QB of all time.
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u cant sign a guy who breaks ur cap situation when u have young players like we do that will have to be paid. Him alone isnt taking us to the playoffs. Ill revisit this idea after this season when we know where we're at. If we get a real good look at the playoffs, unlikely, but if we do we can consider signing him cause we wont have that high a draft pick anyway.
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And there is that. Right? What would you be doing with the draft pick? Draft someone that you HOPE might be somewhere near as good as Mack? If you can work out a deal, might as well get the real thing. - He's obviously a talent that would make any defense more than a little bit better. But he's one of those guys that has to be paid like he's the best player in the league, by far. I'm reminded of a Ravens team photo after Flaco signed his mega deal. The team was sitting on a set of bleachers.....and every player except Flaco was edited out of the picture.
I'm not saying you should do it no matter what. Of course the contract plays into it. That isnt my beef. Mine is with exactly what I wrote, cant do this because X could be there and could be good.
I dont believe any team has ever drafted someone especially high and said, yea we took him because he isnt going to be good. Raiders thought Russell was their future, Browns with Gilbert, and Patriots didn't draft Brady to be best QB of all time.
I'm not saying you should do it no matter what.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
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I'm not saying you should do it no matter what.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
That is exactly what I have been saying
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....but there's nothing wrong with the general idea of acquiring proven talent. What's a draft pick? It's a hope and a prayer. What's proven talent? It's not a hope and a prayer.
We trade a draft pick to team X......for a proven player. We tell team X, Please use that draft pick to draft a good prospect. If he turns out to be good, perhaps we'll trade you another draft pick for HIM.
That is exactly what I have been saying
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