The Predictive Model for Additive Analytics (PMAA)
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I don't know what you've got against Joe Thomas. What'd he ever do to you? All he did was come here, play like a HOF'er at his position, be a great team mate and play every single consecutive snap until he couldn't play the game any more. And you wanna blame our plight since the team's return on him.
Orion.......can you name me ONE HOF candidate who has LESS demonstrable evidence than JT?
What measurable quality of our team improved with him? YPC? points? yards per catch? time of posession, scoring?
Fuuck Joe Thomas,
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I don't know what you've got against Joe Thomas. What'd he ever do to you? All he did was come here, play like a HOF'er at his position, be a great team mate and play every single consecutive snap until he couldn't play the game any more. And you wanna blame our plight since the team's return on him.
Orion.......can you name me ONE HOF candidate who has LESS demonstrable evidence than JT?
What measurable quality of our team improved with him? YPC? points? yards per catch? time of posession, scoring?
Fuuck Joe Thomas,
Orion.......can you name me ONE HOF candidate who has LESS demonstrable evidence than JT?
What measurable quality of our team improved with him? YPC? points? yards per catch? time of posession, scoring?
Fuuck Joe Thomas,
Because without Joe, I predict around five more Browns quarterbacks would have been seriously injured by blindside hits?
Or that Thomas made the Pro Bowl every year because the guys and coaches he was playing against thought he was one of the best OTs?
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Rather than PMAA......this thread is more like GPMS.
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I thought this was well done Ghoolie. Thought out and researched applied to a thesis. Academic!
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So then, in your mind, NO offensive linemen should ever make it to the HOF.
I said Thomas has no fuuckking place in the HOF. I never said anything about OL in the HOF.
Again, you guys love to talk numbers. Please, if you are going to have a conversation with me, stick to the topic and don't add schidt that I never said.
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
It shows Kramer blowing holes for Taylor and Horngung. It shows Kramer moving Jethro Pugh out of the way for Starr to sneak into the endzone in the ice bowl.
Webster and Kolb over and over blowing holes and pancaking opponents.
Same.thing with Parker, Krumrie, Munoz, and even our own Baab.
Thomas is not this caliber of OL.
Common sense tells you that if you are lucky enough to sing a HOF player, the guy will change the fortunes of your team.
Thomas changed nothing. Under his guard the Browns lead the NFL in injured QB s. I say it again, you cannot point to one singe offensive stat that improved under his watch. You cannot point to a OL reputation or characteristic that his era OL was known for.
Joe Thomas had 2 strengths.
1) A great personality that lead players to nominate him to the pro bowl
2) Longevity
Give the fuuckking guy a perfect attendance award. But the HOF? Hickerson was denied how many years? You want to put JT in on 1 ballot?
WTF is wrong with you people? Has the lack of quality players sunk your values this low as to pollute sacred things with a whore?
If you want Joe Thomas in the HOF buy him a fuucking ticket like everyone else.
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So then, in your mind, NO offensive linemen should ever make it to the HOF.
I said Thomas has no fuuckking place in the HOF. I never said anything about OL in the HOF.
Again, you guys love to talk numbers. Please, if you are going to have a conversation with me, stick to the topic and don't add schidt that I never said.
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
It shows Kramer blowing holes for Taylor and Horngung. It shows Kramer moving Jethro Pugh out of the way for Starr to sneak into the endzone in the ice bowl.
Webster and Kolb over and over blowing holes and pancaking opponents.
Same.thing with Parker, Krumrie, Munoz, and even our own Baab.
Thomas is not this caliber of OL.
Common sense tells you that if you are lucky enough to sing a HOF player, the guy will change the fortunes of your team.
Thomas changed nothing. Under his guard the Browns lead the NFL in injured QB s. I say it again, you cannot point to one singe offensive stat that improved under his watch. You cannot point to a OL reputation or characteristic that his era OL was known for.
Joe Thomas had 2 strengths.
1) A great personality that lead players to nominate him to the pro bowl
2) Longevity
Give the fuuckking guy a perfect attendance award. But the HOF? Hickerson was denied how many years? You want to put JT in on 1 ballot?
WTF is wrong with you people? Has the lack of quality players sunk your values this low as to pollute sacred things with a whore?
If you want Joe Thomas in the HOF buy him a fuucking ticket like everyone else.
I said Thomas has no fuuckking place in the HOF. I never said anything about OL in the HOF.
Again, you guys love to talk numbers. Please, if you are going to have a conversation with me, stick to the topic and don't add schidt that I never said.
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
It shows Kramer blowing holes for Taylor and Horngung. It shows Kramer moving Jethro Pugh out of the way for Starr to sneak into the endzone in the ice bowl.
Webster and Kolb over and over blowing holes and pancaking opponents.
Same.thing with Parker, Krumrie, Munoz, and even our own Baab.
Thomas is not this caliber of OL.
Common sense tells you that if you are lucky enough to sing a HOF player, the guy will change the fortunes of your team.
Thomas changed nothing. Under his guard the Browns lead the NFL in injured QB s. I say it again, you cannot point to one singe offensive stat that improved under his watch. You cannot point to a OL reputation or characteristic that his era OL was known for.
Joe Thomas had 2 strengths.
1) A great personality that lead players to nominate him to the pro bowl
2) Longevity
Give the fuuckking guy a perfect attendance award. But the HOF? Hickerson was denied how many years? You want to put JT in on 1 ballot?
WTF is wrong with you people? Has the lack of quality players sunk your values this low as to pollute sacred things with a whore?
If you want Joe Thomas in the HOF buy him a fuucking ticket like everyone else.
Joe Thomas isn't on the same level as Mike Baab.
Goddamn, it's like you've literally ran out of ways to troll.
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Orion.......can you name me ONE HOF candidate who has LESS demonstrable evidence than JT?
What measurable quality of our team improved with him? YPC? points? yards per catch? time of posession, scoring?
Fuuck Joe Thomas,
Because without Joe, I predict around five more Browns quarterbacks would have been seriously injured by blindside hits?
Or that Thomas made the Pro Bowl every year because the guys and coaches he was playing against thought he was one of the best OTs?
Because without Joe, I predict around five more Browns quarterbacks would have been seriously injured by blindside hits?
Or that Thomas made the Pro Bowl every year because the guys and coaches he was playing against thought he was one of the best OTs?
AHHHHHHHHHHHH.... Here comes BULLSCHIDT LARRY out of hibernation with the old.............................. OH YEAH... IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN WORSE WITHOUT JOE THOMAS.
CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF STUPIDITY. EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. 1 + 1 = 3
Look Hoorta, you are like a Demoncrat. Reality has no use in your life. You have a fuucking narrative that Joe Thomas is the best Browns player of all time. And when you can't defend your fantasy childish hero worship, you pull out the ol' "IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE WITHOUT HIM" Learry, how come after Joe Thomas got hurt, the OL was no worse for the wear? I mean certainly when you lose a " HOF" player, your team should suffer, right? But his loss was transparent, insignificant... MEANINGLESS................
ONLY in your world of horseschidt fabrication fantasy is Joe Thomas worth anything more than a good wet schidt.
According your brand of Mental Masturbation......................
- The Browns went 1 - 31 but it sure would have been a hell of a lot worse if it wasn't for Hue Jackson, He's a HOF er
- The Browns couldn't run the ball for schidt, but it would have been even worse if we didn't have Willie Green
- The 2018 Browns couldn't move the ball into the end zone, BUT, if it wasn't for DeShone Kizer it would have been a lot worse.
Same jackoff logic Larry. You don't want to talk about football, you want to lick fuzz off of Joe THomas's nutsack. BLAH BLAH BLAH you schidt statistics and analytics.......but when it comes to Joe Thomas? You can't name one fuucking accomplishment the caulksucker achieved OTHER THAN Perfect attendance, and a great personality.
Hey, you want to fellate him, you want to let him come ravage your wife, you want to tattoo his number on your FUPA, by all means, have at it. Just Shut Your Fahking Pie HOle with this HOF bullschidt. It degrades all the past players that actually have accomplishments worthy of acceptance.
I CAN SEE IT NOW........... WE NOMINATE JOE THOMAS INTO THE HOF BECAUSE WITHOUT HIM THE BROWNS WOULD BEEN EVER WORSE.
Idiots.
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I said Thomas has no fuuckking place in the HOF. I never said anything about OL in the HOF.
Again, you guys love to talk numbers. Please, if you are going to have a conversation with me, stick to the topic and don't add schidt that I never said.
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
It shows Kramer blowing holes for Taylor and Horngung. It shows Kramer moving Jethro Pugh out of the way for Starr to sneak into the endzone in the ice bowl.
Webster and Kolb over and over blowing holes and pancaking opponents.
Same.thing with Parker, Krumrie, Munoz, and even our own Baab.
Thomas is not this caliber of OL.
Common sense tells you that if you are lucky enough to sing a HOF player, the guy will change the fortunes of your team.
Thomas changed nothing. Under his guard the Browns lead the NFL in injured QB s. I say it again, you cannot point to one singe offensive stat that improved under his watch. You cannot point to a OL reputation or characteristic that his era OL was known for.
Joe Thomas had 2 strengths.
1) A great personality that lead players to nominate him to the pro bowl
2) Longevity
Give the fuuckking guy a perfect attendance award. But the HOF? Hickerson was denied how many years? You want to put JT in on 1 ballot?
WTF is wrong with you people? Has the lack of quality players sunk your values this low as to pollute sacred things with a whore?
If you want Joe Thomas in the HOF buy him a fuucking ticket like everyone else.
Joe Thomas isn't on the same level as Mike Baab.
Goddamn, it's like you've literally ran out of ways to troll.
Joe Thomas isn't on the same level as Mike Baab.
Goddamn, it's like you've literally ran out of ways to troll.
No, it's like you stopped to take a breath between JT fellatio sessions. Baab was 100 times the player JT was. Not even close.
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Joe Thomas isn't on the same level as Mike Baab.
Goddamn, it's like you've literally ran out of ways to troll.
No, it's like you stopped to take a breath between JT fellatio sessions. Baab was 100 times the player JT was. Not even close.
No, it's like you stopped to take a breath between JT fellatio sessions. Baab was 100 times the player JT was. Not even close.
I would honestly feel bad for someone whose life is apparently so void of any purpose that it needs to be filled by saying idiotic things to strangers on a message board in a pathetic attempt to get attention, but I don't.
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So then, in your mind, NO offensive linemen should ever make it to the HOF.
I said Thomas has no fuuckking place in the HOF. I never said anything about OL in the HOF.
Again, you guys love to talk numbers. Please, if you are going to have a conversation with me, stick to the topic and don't add schidt that I never said.
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
It shows Kramer blowing holes for Taylor and Horngung. It shows Kramer moving Jethro Pugh out of the way for Starr to sneak into the endzone in the ice bowl.
Webster and Kolb over and over blowing holes and pancaking opponents.
Same.thing with Parker, Krumrie, Munoz, and even our own Baab.
Thomas is not this caliber of OL.
Common sense tells you that if you are lucky enough to sing a HOF player, the guy will change the fortunes of your team.
Thomas changed nothing. Under his guard the Browns lead the NFL in injured QB s. I say it again, you cannot point to one singe offensive stat that improved under his watch. You cannot point to a OL reputation or characteristic that his era OL was known for.
Joe Thomas had 2 strengths.
1) A great personality that lead players to nominate him to the pro bowl
2) Longevity
Give the fuuckking guy a perfect attendance award. But the HOF? Hickerson was denied how many years? You want to put JT in on 1 ballot?
WTF is wrong with you people? Has the lack of quality players sunk your values this low as to pollute sacred things with a whore?
If you want Joe Thomas in the HOF buy him a fuucking ticket like everyone else.
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
That was back in the days of, You played defense if you weren't good enough to play offense.
Now-a-days the defense is as big, strong and fast as the offense.
Was JT a road grading LT? No, he was a terrific pass blocking LT. Which is what the nfl is, a pass league.
Leading up to his draft I saw a clip from is previous college season where there were two guys rushing on his end. He blocked one, then let him go to block the other, giving his QB that extra half second to get the ball off.....for a completion in the end zone. I remember thinking, That was the best play I ever saw a LT make. - Too bad we never got him the right guys to throw and catch the ball.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
That was back in the days of, You played defense if you weren't good enough to play offense.
Now-a-days the defense is as big, strong and fast as the offense.
Was JT a road grading LT? No, he was a terrific pass blocking LT. Which is what the nfl is, a pass league.
Leading up to his draft I saw a clip from is previous college season where there were two guys rushing on his end. He blocked one, then let him go to block the other, giving his QB that extra half second to get the ball off.....for a completion in the end zone. I remember thinking, That was the best play I ever saw a LT make. - Too bad we never got him the right guys to throw and catch the ball.
That was back in the days of, You played defense if you weren't good enough to play offense.
Now-a-days the defense is as big, strong and fast as the offense.
Was JT a road grading LT? No, he was a terrific pass blocking LT. Which is what the nfl is, a pass league.
Leading up to his draft I saw a clip from is previous college season where there were two guys rushing on his end. He blocked one, then let him go to block the other, giving his QB that extra half second to get the ball off.....for a completion in the end zone. I remember thinking, That was the best play I ever saw a LT make. - Too bad we never got him the right guys to throw and catch the ball.
You do know that he's trolling, right?
You are wasting your time debating someone who knows that saying Joe Thomas sucks will piss people off. That's the entire point of his stupid, lame existence on here.
Stop feeding the troll.
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I predict- without Stan having your back- you'd be permanently banned Ghoolie. That's a fact.
I predict- without Stan having your back- you'd be permanently banned Ghoolie. That's a fact.
Yes, because you jackoffs are sissies. You have a narrative and can't discuss anything that shoots your billschidt down. You have no statistical data to support your fellatio of Joe Thomas so you come up with....."We would be much worse without him". If anyone needs to be banned, it is you.
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That was back in the days of, You played defense if you weren't good enough to play offense.
Now-a-days the defense is as big, strong and fast as the offense.
Was JT a road grading LT? No, he was a terrific pass blocking LT. Which is what the nfl is, a pass league.
Leading up to his draft I saw a clip from is previous college season where there were two guys rushing on his end. He blocked one, then let him go to block the other, giving his QB that extra half second to get the ball off.....for a completion in the end zone. I remember thinking, That was the best play I ever saw a LT make. - Too bad we never got him the right guys to throw and catch the ball.
You do know that he's trolling, right?
You are wasting your time debating someone who knows that saying Joe Thomas sucks will piss people off. That's the entire point of his stupid, lame existence on here.
Stop feeding the troll.
You do know that he's trolling, right?
You are wasting your time debating someone who knows that saying Joe Thomas sucks will piss people off. That's the entire point of his stupid, lame existence on here.
Stop feeding the troll.
Trolling would be if there was no factual basis behind my post. What is happening here is that I am totally destroying your narrative that Joe Thomas is a HOF caliber player.
All I am asking you to do is to be consistent with your own style and process on this board. Now, if the only reason I didn't like JT was because I didn't like him? Yeah, I can see why some would be mad. But that isn't what I am doing. I am slamming him based on FOOTBALL PERFORMANCE and STATS.
The only come back you people can deliver is...
- It would be worse without him
- Everyone likes him
- He was voted to the pro bowl
- He played 10,300+ snaps without a miss
My position is that NONE OF THAT qualifies a person for the HOF.
Hall of fame players are difference makers. I have to hear over and over how important OL men are. Okay, so then demonstrate it to me. How the hell does an IMPORTANT HOF OLman not make a difference? You can't have it both ways. If this guy was so great, why didn't the Browns look any different after he got hurt? Just follow the logic, dudue.
- OL men are crucial
- JT is one of the best
- We would realy suck without him
- JT got Hurt
- The OL played equally well without him
WTF man? None of your assinine argument holds water.
The only schidt you can come up with is, " We would really suck without him".
Barry Sanders is HOF material. When he was not in the game, the quality of the Lions play was severely diminished. Joe Thomas? You couldn't even tell. Now, if you are going to argue with me that an OL doesn't touch the ball, can't catch, run, kick or tackle...................YES YES YES................... then you ahve made my point.....Offensive linemen are a dime-a-dozen and they don't really make a difference.
But you can't tell me that OL are great athletes, that they are important, that Thomas was one of the best............and THEN tell me that the reason the browns didn't diminish when he got hurt is because an OL doesn't make that much difference.
You can't have it both ways. Either OL, as I say are the least talented players on the field, OR, JT was just not that good. I am okay either way, but you have to pick one.
Look, you guys are just like democrats hating on the President. The truth, and data do not mean anything to you, UNLESS they support your narrative that JT is a HOF caliber player.
But he had done nothing remarkable in his career. He went out 0 - 16. So................ if a HOF OL cannot make a difference on an 0 - 16 team, he either blows the penis, or he is a dime-a-dozen player.
Joe Thomas is a phony.
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You do know that he's trolling, right?
You are wasting your time debating someone who knows that saying Joe Thomas sucks will piss people off. That's the entire point of his stupid, lame existence on here.
Stop feeding the troll.
Trolling would be if there was no factual basis behind my post. What is happening here is that I am totally destroying your narrative that Joe Thomas is a HOF caliber player.
All I am asking you to do is to be consistent with your own style and process on this board. Now, if the only reason I didn't like JT was because I didn't like him? Yeah, I can see why some would be mad. But that isn't what I am doing. I am slamming him based on FOOTBALL PERFORMANCE and STATS.
The only come back you people can deliver is...
- It would be worse without him
- Everyone likes him
- He was voted to the pro bowl
- He played 10,300+ snaps without a miss
My position is that NONE OF THAT qualifies a person for the HOF.
Hall of fame players are difference makers. I have to hear over and over how important OL men are. Okay, so then demonstrate it to me. How the hell does an IMPORTANT HOF OLman not make a difference? You can't have it both ways. If this guy was so great, why didn't the Browns look any different after he got hurt? Just follow the logic, dudue.
- OL men are crucial
- JT is one of the best
- We would realy suck without him
- JT got Hurt
- The OL played equally well without him
WTF man? None of your assinine argument holds water.
The only schidt you can come up with is, " We would really suck without him".
Barry Sanders is HOF material. When he was not in the game, the quality of the Lions play was severely diminished. Joe Thomas? You couldn't even tell. Now, if you are going to argue with me that an OL doesn't touch the ball, can't catch, run, kick or tackle...................YES YES YES................... then you ahve made my point.....Offensive linemen are a dime-a-dozen and they don't really make a difference.
But you can't tell me that OL are great athletes, that they are important, that Thomas was one of the best............and THEN tell me that the reason the browns didn't diminish when he got hurt is because an OL doesn't make that much difference.
You can't have it both ways. Either OL, as I say are the least talented players on the field, OR, JT was just not that good. I am okay either way, but you have to pick one.
Look, you guys are just like democrats hating on the President. The truth, and data do not mean anything to you, UNLESS they support your narrative that JT is a HOF caliber player.
But he had done nothing remarkable in his career. He went out 0 - 16. So................ if a HOF OL cannot make a difference on an 0 - 16 team, he either blows the penis, or he is a dime-a-dozen player.
Joe Thomas is a phony.
Trolling would be if there was no factual basis behind my post. What is happening here is that I am totally destroying your narrative that Joe Thomas is a HOF caliber player.
All I am asking you to do is to be consistent with your own style and process on this board. Now, if the only reason I didn't like JT was because I didn't like him? Yeah, I can see why some would be mad. But that isn't what I am doing. I am slamming him based on FOOTBALL PERFORMANCE and STATS.
The only come back you people can deliver is...
- It would be worse without him
- Everyone likes him
- He was voted to the pro bowl
- He played 10,300+ snaps without a miss
My position is that NONE OF THAT qualifies a person for the HOF.
Hall of fame players are difference makers. I have to hear over and over how important OL men are. Okay, so then demonstrate it to me. How the hell does an IMPORTANT HOF OLman not make a difference? You can't have it both ways. If this guy was so great, why didn't the Browns look any different after he got hurt? Just follow the logic, dudue.
- OL men are crucial
- JT is one of the best
- We would realy suck without him
- JT got Hurt
- The OL played equally well without him
WTF man? None of your assinine argument holds water.
The only schidt you can come up with is, " We would really suck without him".
Barry Sanders is HOF material. When he was not in the game, the quality of the Lions play was severely diminished. Joe Thomas? You couldn't even tell. Now, if you are going to argue with me that an OL doesn't touch the ball, can't catch, run, kick or tackle...................YES YES YES................... then you ahve made my point.....Offensive linemen are a dime-a-dozen and they don't really make a difference.
But you can't tell me that OL are great athletes, that they are important, that Thomas was one of the best............and THEN tell me that the reason the browns didn't diminish when he got hurt is because an OL doesn't make that much difference.
You can't have it both ways. Either OL, as I say are the least talented players on the field, OR, JT was just not that good. I am okay either way, but you have to pick one.
Look, you guys are just like democrats hating on the President. The truth, and data do not mean anything to you, UNLESS they support your narrative that JT is a HOF caliber player.
But he had done nothing remarkable in his career. He went out 0 - 16. So................ if a HOF OL cannot make a difference on an 0 - 16 team, he either blows the penis, or he is a dime-a-dozen player.
Joe Thomas is a phony.
So why is Jerry Jones in the HOF? $$$$$ Biggest phony.
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So then, in your mind, NO offensive linemen should ever make it to the HOF.
I said Thomas has no fuuckking place in the HOF. I never said anything about OL in the HOF.
Again, you guys love to talk numbers. Please, if you are going to have a conversation with me, stick to the topic and don't add schidt that I never said.
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
It shows Kramer blowing holes for Taylor and Horngung. It shows Kramer moving Jethro Pugh out of the way for Starr to sneak into the endzone in the ice bowl.
Webster and Kolb over and over blowing holes and pancaking opponents.
Same.thing with Parker, Krumrie, Munoz, and even our own Baab.
Thomas is not this caliber of OL.
Common sense tells you that if you are lucky enough to sing a HOF player, the guy will change the fortunes of your team.
Thomas changed nothing. Under his guard the Browns lead the NFL in injured QB s. I say it again, you cannot point to one singe offensive stat that improved under his watch. You cannot point to a OL reputation or characteristic that his era OL was known for.
Joe Thomas had 2 strengths.
1) A great personality that lead players to nominate him to the pro bowl
2) Longevity
Give the fuuckking guy a perfect attendance award. But the HOF? Hickerson was denied how many years? You want to put JT in on 1 ballot?
WTF is wrong with you people? Has the lack of quality players sunk your values this low as to pollute sacred things with a whore?
If you want Joe Thomas in the HOF buy him a fuucking ticket like everyone else.
I said Thomas has no fuuckking place in the HOF. I never said anything about OL in the HOF.
Again, you guys love to talk numbers. Please, if you are going to have a conversation with me, stick to the topic and don't add schidt that I never said.
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
It shows Kramer blowing holes for Taylor and Horngung. It shows Kramer moving Jethro Pugh out of the way for Starr to sneak into the endzone in the ice bowl.
Webster and Kolb over and over blowing holes and pancaking opponents.
Same.thing with Parker, Krumrie, Munoz, and even our own Baab.
Thomas is not this caliber of OL.
Common sense tells you that if you are lucky enough to sing a HOF player, the guy will change the fortunes of your team.
Thomas changed nothing. Under his guard the Browns lead the NFL in injured QB s. I say it again, you cannot point to one singe offensive stat that improved under his watch. You cannot point to a OL reputation or characteristic that his era OL was known for.
Joe Thomas had 2 strengths.
1) A great personality that lead players to nominate him to the pro bowl
2) Longevity
Give the fuuckking guy a perfect attendance award. But the HOF? Hickerson was denied how many years? You want to put JT in on 1 ballot?
WTF is wrong with you people? Has the lack of quality players sunk your values this low as to pollute sacred things with a whore?
If you want Joe Thomas in the HOF buy him a fuucking ticket like everyone else.
Palpable ignorancePalpable ignorance
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Trolling would be if there was no factual basis behind my post. What is happening here is that I am totally destroying your narrative that Joe Thomas is a HOF caliber player.
All I am asking you to do is to be consistent with your own style and process on this board. Now, if the only reason I didn't like JT was because I didn't like him? Yeah, I can see why some would be mad. But that isn't what I am doing. I am slamming him based on FOOTBALL PERFORMANCE and STATS.
The only come back you people can deliver is...
- It would be worse without him
- Everyone likes him
- He was voted to the pro bowl
- He played 10,300+ snaps without a miss
My position is that NONE OF THAT qualifies a person for the HOF.
Hall of fame players are difference makers. I have to hear over and over how important OL men are. Okay, so then demonstrate it to me. How the hell does an IMPORTANT HOF OLman not make a difference? You can't have it both ways. If this guy was so great, why didn't the Browns look any different after he got hurt? Just follow the logic, dudue.
- OL men are crucial
- JT is one of the best
- We would realy suck without him
- JT got Hurt
- The OL played equally well without him
WTF man? None of your assinine argument holds water.
The only schidt you can come up with is, " We would really suck without him".
Barry Sanders is HOF material. When he was not in the game, the quality of the Lions play was severely diminished. Joe Thomas? You couldn't even tell. Now, if you are going to argue with me that an OL doesn't touch the ball, can't catch, run, kick or tackle...................YES YES YES................... then you ahve made my point.....Offensive linemen are a dime-a-dozen and they don't really make a difference.
But you can't tell me that OL are great athletes, that they are important, that Thomas was one of the best............and THEN tell me that the reason the browns didn't diminish when he got hurt is because an OL doesn't make that much difference.
You can't have it both ways. Either OL, as I say are the least talented players on the field, OR, JT was just not that good. I am okay either way, but you have to pick one.
Look, you guys are just like democrats hating on the President. The truth, and data do not mean anything to you, UNLESS they support your narrative that JT is a HOF caliber player.
But he had done nothing remarkable in his career. He went out 0 - 16. So................ if a HOF OL cannot make a difference on an 0 - 16 team, he either blows the penis, or he is a dime-a-dozen player.
Joe Thomas is a phony.
So why is Jerry Jones in the HOF? $$$$$ Biggest phony.
So why is Jerry Jones in the HOF? $$$$$ Biggest phony.
SO, you AGAIN make my point. You cannot discount any of my FOOTBALL points because they are valid arguments.................NOW...your justification for putting Joe Thomas in the HOF is that if they let Jerry Jones in, then JT should be in.
Dude, you are a child. You are stomping your feet, throwing a tantrum until someone buys you that toy you are demanding. Reality doesn't matter to you Larry. Like Hillary believes she should be President right now, you just want JT in the HOF. Waaaaa Waaaaaaa......."If he is in, why can't Joe be in? Waaaaa Waaaaa
But hey, you added ANOTHER stupid HOF introduction talking point............................
Dear friends, we are nominating Joe Thomas because not only did he have perfect attendance, but Jerry Jones is in the HOF.
Dude, you need to find a new form of self-immolation. You have truly left yourself as a mass of ashes.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
I said Thomas has no fuuckking place in the HOF. I never said anything about OL in the HOF.
Again, you guys love to talk numbers. Please, if you are going to have a conversation with me, stick to the topic and don't add schidt that I never said.
Video archives show Hickerson many times leading Brown on devastating power sweeps.
It shows Kramer blowing holes for Taylor and Horngung. It shows Kramer moving Jethro Pugh out of the way for Starr to sneak into the endzone in the ice bowl.
Webster and Kolb over and over blowing holes and pancaking opponents.
Same.thing with Parker, Krumrie, Munoz, and even our own Baab.
Thomas is not this caliber of OL.
Common sense tells you that if you are lucky enough to sing a HOF player, the guy will change the fortunes of your team.
Thomas changed nothing. Under his guard the Browns lead the NFL in injured QB s. I say it again, you cannot point to one singe offensive stat that improved under his watch. You cannot point to a OL reputation or characteristic that his era OL was known for.
Joe Thomas had 2 strengths.
1) A great personality that lead players to nominate him to the pro bowl
2) Longevity
Give the fuuckking guy a perfect attendance award. But the HOF? Hickerson was denied how many years? You want to put JT in on 1 ballot?
WTF is wrong with you people? Has the lack of quality players sunk your values this low as to pollute sacred things with a whore?
If you want Joe Thomas in the HOF buy him a fuucking ticket like everyone else.
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Again, you behave as a liberal. Unable to address one, single football performance pointI make, you ignore the message and attack the messenger.
You, Hoorta, Dutch Oven and a few other homosexuals have the same Mantra............YOU want Joe Thomas in the Hall OF Fame, and it doesn't matter that you cannot talk FOOTBALL about him..goddammit he deservers to be in the HOF, and Ghoolie is trolling us.
No Gipper, providing you a factual basis for not wanting Joe Thomas in the HOF has left you standing in the cold holding your stub.
Attack the messanger, don't refute the message, and God forbid don't admit that you really can't defend your idiotic narrative.
Joe Thomas does not belong in the HOF. You can't even point to one single play in his career where his play directly enabled a win. You can't point to any offensive stat that improved once he was hired, nor one that decreased when he got hurt. THAT is NOT the mark of a HOF player.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
You can be sure if JT is ever nominated, those exact topics will be debated. When the answers come back as big gooseggs, he is not likely to be confirmed. And I promise you, if he is not confirmed on the first ballot, he will never get into the HOF. And rightly so, he doesn't belong.
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So why is Jerry Jones in the HOF? $$$$$ Biggest phony.
SO, you AGAIN make my point. You cannot discount any of my FOOTBALL points because they are valid arguments.................NOW...your justification for putting Joe Thomas in the HOF is that if they let Jerry Jones in, then JT should be in.
Dude, you are a child. You are stomping your feet, throwing a tantrum until someone buys you that toy you are demanding. Reality doesn't matter to you Larry. Like Hillary believes she should be President right now, you just want JT in the HOF. Waaaaa Waaaaaaa......."If he is in, why can't Joe be in? Waaaaa Waaaaa
But hey, you added ANOTHER stupid HOF introduction talking point............................
Dear friends, we are nominating Joe Thomas because not only did he have perfect attendance, but Jerry Jones is in the HOF.
Dude, you need to find a new form of self-immolation. You have truly left yourself as a mass of ashes.
SO, you AGAIN make my point. You cannot discount any of my FOOTBALL points because they are valid arguments.................NOW...your justification for putting Joe Thomas in the HOF is that if they let Jerry Jones in, then JT should be in.
Dude, you are a child. You are stomping your feet, throwing a tantrum until someone buys you that toy you are demanding. Reality doesn't matter to you Larry. Like Hillary believes she should be President right now, you just want JT in the HOF. Waaaaa Waaaaaaa......."If he is in, why can't Joe be in? Waaaaa Waaaaa
But hey, you added ANOTHER stupid HOF introduction talking point............................
Dear friends, we are nominating Joe Thomas because not only did he have perfect attendance, but Jerry Jones is in the HOF.
Dude, you need to find a new form of self-immolation. You have truly left yourself as a mass of ashes.
They will put Joe Thomas into the HOF because he was the best at his position for a decade. The fact that the ownership, management, coaches, QBs on his team may have been the worst of the worst was not his fault.
It takes 22 men to make a football team, not just one, in case you did not hear.
And the reason that JT is not in the HOF now? Because the rules say you have to be retired for 5 years, that is why. WHEN, not if, he is inducted, what are you gonna do? At that point it will be you performing the self immolation....if you really believe what you say. (but we know that you likely do not believe 90% of what you post here)
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