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  • C Clevfan4life

    actually, mandating a religion for terms of employment may infact violate some laws. But the allegation is that it was revealed to him after he was employed. One article i read said the company would not comment because of the pending court case

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    @clevfan4life said:

    actually, mandating a religion for terms of employment may infact violate some laws. But the allegation is that it was revealed to him after he was employed. One article i read said the company would not comment because of the pending court case

    Oh I'm sure it's in violation of somebody's vision of church and state blah blah blah. And I will freely admit that I'm something of a hypocrite and the the double standard doesn't offend me all that much. It's still my belief that people who are part of mainstream religions are okay on the whole.

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    • C Clevfan4life

      actually, mandating a religion for terms of employment may infact violate some laws. But the allegation is that it was revealed to him after he was employed. One article i read said the company would not comment because of the pending court case

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      @clevfan4life said:

      actually, mandating a religion for terms of employment may infact violate some laws. But the allegation is that it was revealed to him after he was employed. One article i read said the company would not comment because of the pending court case

      That would depend if the company was private.

      You know, like Twitter, or Facebook.

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        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by Clevfan4life
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        possibly only a non profit, like a religious organization for ex, can have such requirements. Because its essentially the primary reason for employment. U cant argue that a remodeling company is a religious entity when its primary revenue stream has nothing to do with religion.

        and if the employer was not open and upfront about such requirements from before the hiring process, than theres absolutely no ground to stand on and he will cough 800k. If he was upfront from the beginning he may not owe that employee any money but he may face fines from uncle sam. 

        he essentially violated that employees civil rights if after the fact of employment he foisted a religion on his employees. Its a form of fraud if it happened after the employment. Its likely a violation of fair employment acts if he made it clear beforehand. The outrage would be palpable if an employer told his employees if he sees any of their liscence plates at the local church's on sunday tjat either they wont be hired or current employees will be fired. And i would fully support legal and civil action against him. 

        we visited sometjing like this a few years ago where an employer tried to limit political and religious displays only within the workplace, not dealing with free time.....and i beleive most here supported the employees rights in that case. That runs in rev too

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          the grey area for me is if an employer is upfront about these religious require.ents "prior" to employment. If it costs them employees than its on them let the market punish them. BUT OF COURSE that standard would HAVE to be valid in reverse if an employer says i tolerate none of my employees be joos, muslims, christians, shintoists, zoroastroists etx,etc,etc. 

          i think some time ago our govt, for the sake of a fluid economy, decided to regulate that things like religion and political affiliation were private matters that both employee and employer should not have determine any kind of employment status or conflict.

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            @clevfan4life said:

            well the article says "allegedly", so these are the "allegations" against the employer which the employer will have to refute in court. If the allegations are true, its a civil rights violation. No different than if a man was forced to give up being a christian in order to remain employed

            And anyone can allege anything so when reporting stories like this both sides need to be presented. The reporter should have reached out for comment from the employer to answer the allegations otherwise you just have a one sided story which is what this is. It may be a civil rights issue or not. If the guy took the job knowing he was mandated to attend a bible class then Cal may be right. He was not forced to take the job.

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            @oldbrownsfan said:

            And anyone can allege anything

            That's basically religion

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              @oldbrownsfan said:

              And anyone can allege anything

              That's basically religion

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              @mld-woody said:

              That's basically religion

              And the Trump Russian collusion thingy is another example.

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                @mld-woody said:

                That's basically religion

                And the Trump Russian collusion thingy is another example.

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                @canton-dawg said:

                And the Trump Russian collusion thingy is another example.

                just a side note here, but in all ho esty there is vastly more circumstantial evidence for #peepeegate than there is for the god of abraham ever existing.Just FYI

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                  @canton-dawg said:

                  And the Trump Russian collusion thingy is another example.

                  just a side note here, but in all ho esty there is vastly more circumstantial evidence for #peepeegate than there is for the god of abraham ever existing.Just FYI

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                  @clevfan4life said:

                  just a side note here, but in all ho esty there is vastly more circumstantial evidence for #peepeegate than there is for the god of abraham ever existing.Just FYI

                  You use the words “vastly” and “circumstantial” in the same sentence to describe evidence.

                  Which boils down to a large amount of nuthin’.

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                    @clevfan4life said:

                    just a side note here, but in all ho esty there is vastly more circumstantial evidence for #peepeegate than there is for the god of abraham ever existing.Just FYI

                    You use the words “vastly” and “circumstantial” in the same sentence to describe evidence.

                    Which boils down to a large amount of nuthin’.

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                    @canton-dawg said:

                    You use the words “vastly” and “circumstantial” in the same sentence to describe evidence.

                    Which boils down to a large amount of nuthin’.

                    would you have preferred "preponderance"? end result is the same, smoke=fire. In one circumstance there's not even smoke to be seen. Clarified?

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                      @canton-dawg said:

                      You use the words “vastly” and “circumstantial” in the same sentence to describe evidence.

                      Which boils down to a large amount of nuthin’.

                      would you have preferred "preponderance"? end result is the same, smoke=fire. In one circumstance there's not even smoke to be seen. Clarified?

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                      @clevfan4life said:

                      would you have preferred "preponderance"? end result is the same, smoke=fire. In one circumstance there's not even smoke to be seen. Clarified?

                      Clear as mud.

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                        I see “MSN” in the link...I won’t even bother with it.

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                        @canton-dawg said:

                        I see “MSN” in the link...I won’t even bother with it.

                        Breitbart: Construction Worker Sues Employer After Being Fired for Refusal to Attend Bible Study

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                        • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

                          @clevfan4life said:

                          actually, mandating a religion for terms of employment may infact violate some laws. But the allegation is that it was revealed to him after he was employed. One article i read said the company would not comment because of the pending court case

                          That would depend if the company was private.

                          You know, like Twitter, or Facebook.

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                          @canton-dawg said:

                          That would depend if the company was private.

                          You know, like Twitter, or Facebook.

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                          Partially true.

                          There is something called the Ministerial exception in the Title VII anti-discrimination laws that allows religious institutions such as churches to selectively discriminate potential employees based on things like gender, sexual orientation and religious beliefs. However, I believe that exemption is for declared religious institutions; by all accounts, the employer in this particular case is a construction company and isn't an organized religious institution.

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                            @clevfan4life said:

                            actually, mandating a religion for terms of employment may infact violate some laws. But the allegation is that it was revealed to him after he was employed. One article i read said the company would not comment because of the pending court case

                            Oh I'm sure it's in violation of somebody's vision of church and state blah blah blah. And I will freely admit that I'm something of a hypocrite and the the double standard doesn't offend me all that much. It's still my belief that people who are part of mainstream religions are okay on the whole.

                            WSS

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                            @westside-steve said:

                            Oh I'm sure it's in violation of somebody's vision of church and state blah blah blah. And I will freely admit that I'm something of a hypocrite and the the double standard doesn't offend me all that much. It's still my belief that people who are part of mainstream religions are okay on the whole.

                            WSS

                            I'm positive that there are plenty of decent, good people out there who believe in ghosts and alien abductions as well; that doesn't mean I should be forced to wear tinfoil hats and go puttering around in abandoned buildings and cemeteries with night vision cameras and EMF meters with them either. ?

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                              "the illusion will continue until we stop becoming afraid of death"...…..wow

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                                I see “MSN” in the link...I won’t even bother with it.

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                                @canton-dawg said:

                                I see “MSN” in the link...I won’t even bother with it.

                                Ah, so Trump's anti-information crusade is working I see

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                                  I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

                                  "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                    I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

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                                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                    I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

                                    I did till about sophomore year. It managed to make me firmly an atheist. Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

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                                      @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                      I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

                                      I did till about sophomore year. It managed to make me firmly an atheist. Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

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                                      I did till about sophomore year. It managed to make me firmly an atheist. Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

                                      I lasted until I was about 13 when I found myself looking around the room wondering if I was the only one who thought that it was all a bunch of bool sheet. 

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                                        @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                        I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

                                        I did till about sophomore year. It managed to make me firmly an atheist. Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

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                                        @logicisforsquares said:

                                        Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

                                        the guys from every hs in my hometown grew up knowing that the filthiest bar maidens were often to be found at a notorious all girls catholic school. 

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